GracePeace
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When you say it is "right" then you make it a "sin" to not do it.I'm not making anyone do anything.
You can't rely solely on statements from Torah since Christ repudiates Torah in Matthew 5 and Matthew 19 for instance saying it isn't really God's will and then brings in a higher Law in its place--in this way He is "a Prophet like Moses" (Moses authoritatively mediated Law to Israel).God told us to observe and remember so we don't forget where we came from and where we're going.
Exactly my point : you just got done saying I was bound in time as if it were bad but now you're being more consistent and defending your own very time-bound view.He chose a place and time and gave it to us.
Your previous reply ("I believe Sabbath is Eternal" and the critique that I was Time bound) was to my assertion there'd be a new Sabbath because of the New Creation. Now you embrace time boundedness... how does this relate to there not being a New Sabbath in the New Creation?This place and time is both physical and spiritual.
The physical keeps us in rememberance.
How does this relate to there not being a New Sabbath in the New Creation?The spiritual is already waiting to be entered if one has faith that after this mortal life we will enter.
How does this relate to there not being a New Sabbath after a New Creative act?If you are Christ's you are already there in Spirit. You are at rest and in peace.
There is no need for another.
How does this relate to my assertion that there is a New Sabbath after a New Creative act?Some people only keep a day. But that Sabbath day in spirit is eternal. It is not limited by the rising and falling of the sun.
Doesn't that ruin your 7th day Sabbath keeping because you can't see the Sun or know which day it is?In fact, in that Sabbath there is no sun for the lamb is the light which shines in the Kingdom of God.
You're citing a list of Scriptures I'm not sure are relevant.Psa 84:11 For the LORD God is a sun and shield: the LORD will give grace and glory: no good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly.
Rev 7:16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
Rev 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
1. So, again--contrary to your denial--just as I'd said, you really are insisting it's an issue of righteousness and threatening that if people don't observe the Sabbath they will be condemned.Exo 31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
Rev 9:15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.
Rev 9:16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.
Rev 9:17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
Rev 9:18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.
Rev 9:19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.
Rev 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
Rev 9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
Act 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Act 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
We've had 6 days of ignorance and doing things our way.
The last day is the Lord's day. Which is a Holy day.
One of peace and rest to those who have repented of their sins.
One of Judgement for those who have not.
2. The 7th "day" (millennium) following a pattern and being a fulfillment of the type and shadow laid down by the 7th day Sabbath institution doesn't necessarily mean the institution itself is still in place. Christ was typed by Adam yet "the body of sin [is] brought to nothing" Ro 6:6 (and Paul actually teaches contrary to one of the first Commands given the Adamic institution "be fruitful and multiply" saying it's preferable to be single and celibate as he is 1 Co 7). The days required by the Law were types of what Christ would do, yet when the Galatians went to observe those days (as you are prompting people to do here) he said they had been bewitched and were following a false Gospel. You are coming close to doing the same thing here--observing days and commanding others to do the same "or else". I'm not saying you've crossed that line, especially since you don't seem to realize that you're doing that, but I highly recommend you read Galatians asking God for understanding.
Actually, this whole time, it's been yourself defending "a day" (the 7th)--I've been the one saying that no one should be told to observe a particular day.You can choose a day if you want to.
What I meant by "make" was "you say it is a matter of righteousness"--which you seem to have admitted to now so I think my point is proven.For me, it is a way of life.
But I don't "make" anyone do anything.
Hugs
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