I don't know whether or not you are correct. What you say makes sense about the entire planet burning but I'm not too sure all scripture agrees with it being literal rather than metaphor for the judgment of God.
I have to point out what Peter said in 2 Peter 3:5-7 again because that establishes the context of what he wrote in 2 Peter 3:10-12.
3 Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” 5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6
By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.
First, Peter references the flood waters that flooded the earth and destroyed all of the ungodly in the world. So, he referenced a past global, physical event. No room for debate here, right? I would hope not. Then, he said what he did in verse 7 which I quoted above. To me, it's very clear that he compared a past global, physical event to a future global, physical event. What basis is there for seeing it any other way? And if seen this way, it should be clear that what he was saying there is that just as the flood waters covered the entire surface of the earth and destroyed all of the ungodly in the past, the same will happen in the future, only this time by fire. Please address this. If you disagree, please tell me exactly how you interpret that passage.
Let's leave that part as "you are correct and it's literal", and narrow it down to whether or not Peter's emphasis was on the physical order, or the order of things in humanity, and the works in the earth (rocks?), or the works of humans.
Sorry to be a broken record, but I believe 2 Peter 3:5-7 makes it clear that his emphasis was on physical destruction and the fire that will come down on the earth (and that will affect the heavens and the elements as well) which will destroy all of the ungodly (unsaved). And, that will result in the destruction of the works of humans as well since the point of it all is to end up with "new heavens and a new earth where righteousness dwells" (2 Peter 3:13).
Yes. I agree. Day of judgment too. 7th trumpet. 7th bowl of wrath. "The last trump". The resurrection of the dead. The day Peter is talking about in 2 Peter 3:10-12.
Part of the point but not the only point. We agree on the above.
Glad we can agree on that, at least.
That's possible but I don't know. The other part of it is that I don't believe that Peter is talking about the physical order and the works of the earth but the human order of things as it is now and the works of humans, because those words mean just that in every other New Testament verse they appear in.
That simply does not matter. The fact of the matter is that the Greek words have multiple definitions and not just one. So, how they are used in other verses does not dictate how they need to be used in 2 Peter 3:10-12. It's good to compare how they are used elsewhere, but that alone does not dictate what they should mean in any given verse. It depends on the context.
I don't know why it should be news to you. It's not news to ewqr. I don't blame you for missing it though. It's confusing and complicated remembering every detail of everything everyone believes.
Is it something you have said to me directly before? I don't read all your posts to ewq and other people. Anyway, it doesn't matter.
Yes but your understanding of the immortality of Adam's body before he sinned and began to die is not the same as mine. Only Christ is immortal in the way you understand immortality, IMO.
I don't see how Adam has anything to do with this. In the future, those who are changed and have immortal bodies will have an immortal body like only Christ has now. How can they later die? We know Christ cannot die again. So, I am completely baffled about your view on this.
And Revelation 21:8 mentions that there s a 2nd death.
Only for those whose names are not written in the book of life. The unsaved dead will all be resurrected at the same time and then judged and cast into the lake of fire. But, no one who Paul says in 1 Cor 15:51-52 will be changed to have immortal bodies will be among them.
I agree with that, but I disagree with this:
What you were referencing here was this comment that I had made:
There will be physical destruction at that time, as other scripture like Matthew 24:35-39 and 2 Peter 3:10-12 make clear, but that destruction is described in a figurative way in Revelation 19 whereas it is described literally in 2 Peter 3:10-12.
You say you disagree with this, but then didn't say why or comment any further. Can you please explain why you take Revelation 19:15-18 literally but not 2 Peter 3:10-12? Do you believe that Jesus will be slaying people with a literal sword coming out of His mouth when He returns?
If not, then why would you take any of that literally, including the bodies that were slain by His sword and the birds feeding on those bodies?
Where is the consistency in seeing the sword as being symbolic but not the birds feasting on the dead bodies that were killed by the symbolic sword? To me, it's clear that the whole thing is a symbolic representation of the destruction that will occur when Christ returns and none of it should be taken literally. Why take some of it symbolically and some literally (assuming that is what you do)? That doesn't make any sense to me.
