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i am an analyst at a fortune 500 company
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Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives?
So? This is about the LAW before Christ. It is CHRIST who takes away our sin.
All that really matters after I die or the rapture happens is this....I'm curious if you believe anything else?
i am an analyst at a fortune 500 company
All that really matters after I die or the rapture happens is this....
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Because that will be my lone defense as I stand before God.
the law was given to convict of sin ((Galatians 3 e.g.)), so by taking it away ((through our death in Him)) He takes away the condemnation of our sin
vis-a-vis overlooks our sin ((c.f.e. Micah 7:18))
in this way we are set free -- not because now, living in this unredeemed flesh, that flesh is perfected - but because He shows us grace in our faith in what He has done to atone for us. we wait eagerly the full redemption of our bodies ((Romans 8:23)) and amen we seek to rule over our flesh and subject it to good behaviour and deeds ((as Peter encourages)) but we aren't perfect in this present age and world and we will cast any crown at His feet, saying, we are unworthy servants who only did our duty ((Luke 17:10)).
the more i grown in knowledge of Him the more in need of Him i am aware of; the more i recognize more and more sin in myself - thoughts, attitudes, understandings, failures to be equal to His infinite glory. all of that is sin.
to me it is utterly ridiculous anyone could think of themselves as having no sin - the only explanation i can come to is that they have almost no idea what sin really is, thinking that by not drinking or cussing or fornicating or robbing 7-11's that means they are perfect.
but all over scripture, it's belief belief belief believe believe believe.
mercy mercy mercy mercy grace grace grace. no one is good but God. humble yourself, humble yourself, humble yourself.
i get that we are forgiven. that because His blood covers the true altar we are not condemned, but justified before Him, blameless -- but that does not mean i am ever comparable to His holiness. i am forever serving at His lovingkindness towards me, and nothing more: i have no good thing in me that isn't Him living in me.
Acts 2:38 is a liberal, Lawless doctrine???Personally, I'm trying to get as many people in the Church, that are not on the path to salvation to rethink their liberal lawless doctrines.
Acts 2:38 is a liberal, Lawless doctrine???
I , by grace know that the grace of GOD , of salvation cometh from GOD alone .simply because i know that salvation is not by the will, desire or effort of man but by the mercy of God does not mean i am disobedient.
amazingly common fallacy on Bible discussion forums.
people seem to be afraid that if they confess salvation is free, it might be stolen!
and that there is no other reason someone might obey God except fear of hell.
se llama amor, hermano. se llama agradecimiento. =]
la salvación que se puede perder no es salvación en absoluto.
but God is faithful!
its true that many are gonna hear ON THAT DAY depart from me i never knew you .Never ever have I see ONE so blind and yet be so comfortable living in false doctrines.
Take account, we will all give account to Jesus, and those sad words will be said to many...........I NEVER KNEW YOU.
With numbers? I like numbers myself.
This self-will righteousness of you ruling over your flesh is NOT the gospel. The gospel is the power of God IN YOU to recreate your old nature into a new creature.. Surely you have read more than you doing everything yourself. It is Jesus that sets us free; you're relying on your own works to overcome your sins. Yet you accuse me of works. Just the opposite. It is you doing all the work. I did nothing of myself, except WALK in the Spirit He gave me. And you accuse me of doing that. I don't. God's Spirit did ALL the work in my nature. I just woke up the next day with no desire to sin. I didn't do a thing of myself. BTW, this all happens while we are living. It is our spirit and soul that has been crucified and been raised up into righteousness. The only think left is our body that doesn't sin in itself, but is like a puppet with our spirit and soul controlling our bodies.
Post, This is a common error and misjudgment of God's holiness. God hates sin. The law was brought in because of transgressions UNTIL Jesus. Galatians 3:9 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made. Romans 7:13 shows this again. 13 Has then what is good become death to me? Certainly not! But sin, that it might appear sin, was producing death in me through what is good, so that sin through the commandment might become exceedingly sinful.
Why until Jesus? You seem to believe (among many others of the same doctrine) that the law was the problem. No! The law was holy, it was the sin in our nature that was the problem. ONLY Jesus could take away the cause of the law being in effect in the first place - our sin nature so that with sin gone, the law would no longer be needed. I've asked you to read John 8:34-36 and if you had you wouldn't keep retelling the same error. It is those who are slaves of sin that will not inherit eternal life. Jesus takes away our sin and makes us sons of God. Now read this please:
34 Jesus answered them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin. 35 And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever. 36 Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed. (Free of sin, and therefore the law, not the other way around.) You are saying we received freedom from the law and its restrictions to show the mercy of God as we sin. Does that really sound like a God who hates sin? No. That's Him giving license to sin - a heresy.
This reminds me of the period in the Church a few decades ago when Christians were subduing Satan left and right. Their whole focus was on what Satan was doing. I don't worry about Satan. 1 John 5:18 because I keep myself, and know he can't touch me. I'm not struggling to get sin out of my life, I'm studying the Word and having the Author of the Word teach me the one and only interpretation of every verse of Scripture. My eyes are steadily on Him and I want to have all that He wants to give me. I'm living a victorious life and God is my total security and the love of my life. The only worries I have are not being able to convince any Christian who has been indoctrinated into the unmerited favor grace - the wrong definition - to learn the truth that can set them free. Grace is the divine power of God to free us from sin.
2 Peter 1:2-4
2 Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, 3 as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, 4 by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
See, the last sentence shows we've been freed from sin. It is NOT INDULGING IN SIN WITH NO CONDEMNATION! THAT IS A DOCTRINE OF DEMONS.
post believes it is the law that was taken away, not our sin, so that we can sin without condemnation. That is lawlessness and the opposite of truth. They are for those who love to sin, and can't see that sin is the problem, not the law! Those doctrines of demons are what I'm fighting against. Their doctrines undermine the holiness of God. He's not a party-animal!
SO if they warned , IF they said IF , IF you continue , I SUGGEST we say the same things .
34 Jesus answered them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin. 35 And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever. 36 Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.
when He says this, He says He makes us free indeed because He makes us sons and daughters -- we abide in His house forever.
You said:if He was making us slaves, we would not be being made free.
when He says this, He says He makes us free indeed because He makes us sons and daughters -- we abide in His house forever.
if He was making us slaves, we would not be being made free.
my objection with you isn't about whether i am under the law or not, or whether i am under condemnation or not. clearly ((see the entire NT)) i am neither under law nor under condemnation. my objection is that so long as i am living in this body , in this world, i do not agree that i have obtained perfection or relieved myself of my need for Christ.
i need Him daily, "every hour i need" Him.
when you say that the 'true Christian' is completely devoid of fault, this is tantamount to saying Christ has become worthless - that we need no intercession, that we need no forgiveness, that we have no sin and that our lives commend ourselves to Him. this is not what i read in scripture, nor what i observe in my own life or my observations of the lives of others. we are under His grace and saved through His mercy towards us, with the promise and certain hope that He will redeem us completely, our minds, bodies and souls. the Christian life is that of Romans 7 - with a renewed mind & spirit that desires the things of God and which constantly wars against the desires of our flesh. is there victory? absolutely: as John says, this is the victory: our faith. i know that He will complete the work He bagan in me, because He is faithful. Romans 8:23 -- the completion is the final redemption of my body. if i was perfect, in my flesh, it would mean i need no resurrection. but as it stands i wait for resurrection -- why? because my body needs it. if i had attained sinlessness in my flesh, why would my flesh die? would that not make God unjust, giving my body the wages of sin that it had not any longer reason to be paid? God would then be an unjust judge! blasphemy!
but while He rightly judges my flesh, He commends my soul as righteous because of my faith: my faith in His faithful work. yes, amen, a finished work: the completion of it finished from the beginning to the end, yet to be revealed to us who live inside of time.
it is not, as you have surmised, that i am trusting in works - wow, not at all! and it is not anything even remotely close to me trying to excuse sin or seeking after it - wow, no!!
it is me with open eyes knowing and fully realizing that i am not equal to God -- that He has not made me equal to Him, and that making me equal to Him isn't His will. He has constrained me, so that He might show me mercy, and that i might love it.
you really think that means i'm not trying to live righteously before Him, just because i confess my sin?
it is exactly the opposite: because i recognize my sin, i seek always to minimize it. and that, not because i think it commends me, but because i love Him: He is my Husband, my Beloved, my Betrothed -- and as any good spouse does, i mitigate all offense towards Him i find in myself, knowing full well that i am who i am, that His love towards me is graciousness, that if it were not for His great love, he could not accept me. i am undeserving of Him; i am flattered, i am enthralled -- and that is far greater motivation than 'fear of losing His adoration' for the sake of missteps, to the point that i will walk with Him in honesty rather than in subterfuge.
were i to believe He would divorce me if i accidentally burnt His toast, what kind of Husband would i be supposing Him to be?
and if i swore i would never burn a toast or scald the milk in His tea, wouldn't i be speaking vainly, rather than in truth? it isn't because i never miss a crumb when i sweep the floor that He loves me. and because love is honesty, i don't lie to Him, saying i never do.