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Spotting Heretics

Discussion in 'Christian Theology Forum' started by Behold, Jun 10, 2022.

  1. amigo de christo

    amigo de christo Well-Known Member

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    Just make sure you tell that to this all inclusive lovey lovey generation .
    Cause the last time i checked any love that allows folks to perish in sin , IT AINT LOVE .
    So enough with this mantra of it dont matter what religion one follows or what they beleive
    so long as they have love LIE from hell that keeps getting taught by todays lovey inclusive generation .
    The next time a pastor or anyone says , IT dont matter if one is a muslim , a buddists , an atheist
    All they need to do is have some lovey lovey and they KNOW GOD and are fine . CAUSE that is one huge crock of dung
    getting sold to this generation . I DID tell us , i is a stickler to the one true gospel
    SO allow me to say it again . No other religoin or mindset is gonna save ya .
    ALL the good works and prayers and alms that even cornelious did , THE MAN STILL HAD TO HEAR and BELIEVE THE GOSPEL
    in order to be saved . SO LETS STOP with the false lovey nonsense cause it aint gonna save one .
    BELIEVE IN HE WHO GOD DID SEND , JESUS CHRIST , NOW THAT is HOW one is saved and THAT ALONE .
    NOTHING Else is gonna save this generation and as i said , ANY LOVE that can allow other religions
    to believe we all serve the same GOD and just hug and have some lovey , ITS MURDER . Cause its a lie that cannot save .
     
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  2. Ferris Bueller

    Ferris Bueller Well-Known Member

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    You can rationalize it all you want with your human reasoning, but the truth remains that people who don’t believe are not born again.
     
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  3. Behold

    Behold Well-Known Member

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    Ferris,

    I dont find the Gospel of the Cross of Christ to be "romantic", actually.
    I find it to be AMAZING GRACE.

    And Yes, if you have never been born again, you have not Believed. and you are this... John 3:36

    If you have been born again, then this is proof you HAVE Believed., which is WHY the born again have become = "one with God", "a new creation".

    """"what if i dont believe later, the cultist, the self righteous religious self saver ponders"""...

    A.) 2nd Timothy 2 13... "if we (the born again) are FAITHLESS.....= God REMAINS FAITHFUL" or as Jesus says. "you shall never perish", because "I will never leave you"..

    FINAL ANSWER......= God Himself is FAITHFUL TO COMPLETE the salvation that He began in all the born again... Philippians 1:6.
     
  4. Wrangler

    Wrangler Well-Known Member

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    @Behold

    Cricket ... Cricket ... Cricket ...
     
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    Behold Well-Known Member

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    The "cult of Mary", is built on water and Peter and works.
    Christianity is built on The Cross of Christ.
     
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    Illuminator Well-Known Member

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    Catholics don't confuse "works of the law" with "good works" the way you do. This has been explained in detail in post #1692 that has you stumped. Cricket ... Cricket ... Cricket ...
    Another flaming zinger that is so stupid it doesn't deserve a reply.
     
  7. Behold

    Behold Well-Known Member

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    First of all... The Church is built on this...

    1 Corinthians 10:4
    ""and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that ROCK was Christ.""

    Illuminator, do you see the real 'ROCK"?
    Its not Peter.

    Next..

    Now.....Illuminator.....Regarding your choice of words....'stupid".

    Let me clearly show you what is STUPID.....
    Its STUPID to not know anything about the Catholic Religion, yet be a lifelong part of it.
    See, its like this, Illuminator.... The original "church fathers", titled their RELIGION based on Mary between 3AD-5AD
    This title, "cult of Mary" or "cult of the Virgin" was the original TITLE given to the Catholic Religion by the early Church Fathers between 3AD-5AD
    So, its "stupid" for a Catholic to not know anything about the history of their Religion.

    LATER, as the Catholic Religion created the Dark Ages, they changed the name of their religion to "Catholic" Church.

    Now, if you want some ILLUMINATiON< regarding the cult of mary, then you need to do some studying, so that you know some TRUTH.
    But if you dont care, then just continue on your chosen path.

    Start here.. if that is not the case.

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    """In the early part of the 3rd century, Hippolytus of Rome recorded the first liturgical reference to the Virgin Mary, as part of the ordination rite of a Bishop..
    The Council of Ephesus in 431 sanctioned the cult of the Virgin as Mother of God;
    Then....
    Pope Gregory’s reading of the role of Mary would be repeated by monks and priests. They would weave in to the Gospels his readings as if they were Gospel themselves soon forgetting that it was myth. The words of Gregory soon became a reality. The birth of the cult of the Virgin Mary had begun. She became a pure and perfect form of womanhood, an expectation of perfection within the female form. """"
     
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    @Illuminator

    Crickets?
     
  9. Ferris Bueller

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    So how is it that good works of faith make a person born again? I understand how having faith in the forgiveness of God and the resurrection of Christ apart from good works of faith does that. But I need you to explain how doing good deeds of faith makes you transformed/born again.
     
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    Ferris Bueller Well-Known Member

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    Then what is the proof that you have been born again?

    The Bible tells us. Do you know what it says about that?
     
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  11. amigo de christo

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    Recieved ye the spirit by the works of the law or by the hearing of faith . He might want to read that bible .
    That was the first reminder that popped in my head when you asked him that question . Its in galations
    i think chapter three . Exactly my friend the CC is very dangerous and we must expose it for the sakes of all .
    Time to return to bibles .
     
  12. amigo de christo

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    Cornelious did many good works , but was not yet born again , TILL HIMS BELIEVED THAT GOSPEL . Folks NEED TO GET IN that bible
    and stop heeding men and very fast too .
     
  13. BreadOfLife

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    People like YOU are the problem.
    It’s not about READING the Bible because everybody who reads it without the proper guidance comes to DIFFERENT conclusions.

    The result is what YOU have today – tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering Protestant factions that ALL teach different doctrines – because they ALL read the Bible and interpreted it for themselves.

    YOU condemn factions and denominations, yet you ARE a Lone Ranger unto yourself and advocate that everybody else become one by interpreting Scripture for themselves. This is precisely how the tragedy of Protestantism began in the FIRST place.

    YOU don’t even know where you GOT your Canon of Scripture – yet you blindly state that it is your “SOLE” Authority. That’s dangerous. You condemn Catholic Tradition – yet you stake your very SALVATION on it because the NT Canon is a Catholic Tradition.

    You’re a living, breathing contradiction . . .

    The Holy Spirit, speaking through Paul, did BOT agree with you and did NOT advocate YOUR brand of “Lone Ranger” Christianity . . .
    Phil. 2:1-2
    So if there is any encouragement in Christ, any comfort from love, any participation in the Spirit, any affection and sympathy, complete my joy by being of the same mind, having the same love, being in full accord and of ONE mind.
     
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    Critique of Ten Exaggerated Claims of the “Reformation”

    1. THE PROTESTANT REFORMATION RELOCATED SPIRITUAL AND THEOLOGICAL AUTHORITY TO SCRIPTURE.
    . . . the Reformers were appealing to the revelation of God as the final arbiter of truth, against the claim of papal infallibility from Rome and the abuse of tradition insofar as it conflicted with biblical teaching.

    The problem is that the Bible itself doesn’t teach that it alone is the infallible authority (as sola Scriptura holds). In other words, it’s a self-defeating, internally contradictory point of view. Nor is the Catholic view one that holds Church or tradition as above, or superior to the Bible. We never denied that the Bible had a profound authority. Our view is that authority or the rule of faith is a combination of Bible-tradition-Church: what is known as the “three-legged stool.” We simply hold that there is a need for authoritative, “the buck stops here” interpretation of the unique inspired revelation of Scripture. In the biblical (and historic Catholic) view the inspired, infallible Bible is interpreted by an infallible, divinely guided Church, which in turn infallibly interprets and formulates the true doctrinal (apostolic) tradition.

    Because Protestantism doesn’t allow that in its rule of faith, it keeps hopelessly dividing and can never resolve its doctrinal disputes. That’s not God’s will, who desired that the entire one true Church would be “one” in doctrine and belief. Protestantism has a lesser form of the same notion, by formulating authoritative creeds and confessions (e.g., the Lutheran Book of Concord). But they are only as good as one denomination. That’s the problem.

    There are literally scores of biblical and logical arguments against sola Scriptura. I wrote an entire book consisting of a hundred of these, and in a second book I took on two of the most renowned historical defenders of the doctrine. Here are three of my favorite arguments, and ones I consider among the best:

    Matthew 16:18-19 (RSV) And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. [19] I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.


    There is such a thing in the Bible as “the Church” and it was established by Jesus Christ Himself, as His own Church. St. Peter and the other apostles (of whom bishops and priests are successors) were given the power to bind and loose: Jewish rabbinical terms for penance (binding) and forgiveness extended by a representative of God (loosing). These decisions corresponded with the decrees or will of heaven itself (that is, God). Therefore, such power is indicative of a strong view of the authority of the Church. Another notable element in this passage is the concept of the “powers of death” not being able to prevail against the Church. This means that the Church (not just individual Christians, but the collective entity) will always emerge victorious in its spiritual and theological battles.

    Acts 16:4 As they went on their way through the cities, they delivered to them for observance the decisions which had been reached by the apostles and elders who were at Jerusalem.

    St. Paul didn’t simply hand out Bibles. He also proclaimed an authoritative Church decision, made at the Jerusalem Council, which is described in Acts 15:1-30. The “apostles and elders” (15:6), representing the “whole church” (15:22) gathered, much as bishops in our time got together at the Second Vatican Council (1962-1965). The main question they dealt with was whether Gentile Christian converts were required to be circumcised and to observe the entire Jewish Law.

    The Church in its council decided that it was not necessary, with the participants confidently proclaiming, “it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us.” The Holy Spirit guided the process (cf. Jn 16:13). St. Paul then went out and proclaimed what the council (himself included) had decided, to be observed as a binding decree. If that’s not infallible Church authority, it’s difficult to imagine what would be. If God approved of such Church-wide decisions in the early Church, why not also today? Why would that cease? It makes no sense to argue that it all went away and that we were left to fend for ourselves as mere individuals.

    1 Timothy 3:15 . . . the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth.

    Truth is truth. It cannot be error, by its very essence and definition. Knowing what truth is, how can its own foundation or pillar or bulwark or ground, be something less than total truth??? (since truth itself contains no falsehoods, untruths, lies, or errors)? It cannot. It’s impossible, as a straightforward matter of both logic and plain observation. A stream cannot rise above its source.

    Therefore, we must conclude that if the Church is the foundation of truth, the Church must be infallible, since truth is infallible, and the foundation cannot be less great and strong than that which is built upon it. Truth cannot be built upon any degree of error whatever because that would make the foundation weaker than the superstructure above it.

    https://www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2017/11/critique-ten-exaggerated-claims-reformation.html
     
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