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amigo de christo

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Lol......soooooo it is up to me to find out from each of you what doctrines you hold and then let each of you know where you all disagree or agree with each other.

OK....How about this: @Brakelite @amigo de christo @Ferris Bueller.....do all of you agree with the doctrines of the SDA's?

I suspect most of you sit in your basement eating your Dorito's and reading Scripture and come up with your own truths on a daily/weekly basis sooooooooo...How do I know week to week which true doctrines you hold? They change all the time...Right Ferris? After all, Ferris is still growing in the truth and it may take him 40 years and 7 different changes of the truth on one doctrine.....:My2c:
Its up to the ACCUSER to prove why they accused .
YOU the one that said we have four different truths . NOW back UP your claim . Exactly .
 
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So my question remains . WHAT are these truths that the four of us disagree upon .
THIS is nothing but a blanket statement to support the den of thieves .
The accuser of the brethren . Let no man , woman or child sit under such a table of darkness .
I will warn against it and any others who preach lies till the day i drop dead or the LORD does come .
FOR I love the peoples and only desire what is good for them .
 

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One of us amigos asked you to specify where we disagree. Rather than make specific charges, you just repeat a general claim.

For the record, I am sure us amigos do have (minor) doctrinal differences. But none of us make the outrageous claim that you do, that salvation is oly obtained by belonging to my denomination.
Every demoniation is gonna have those who do such things . Look within even the catholic realm .
I see many disagreements among them .
AND IF THE SO called CC had the absolute truth . THEN WHY DID even the popes often disagree and make void
what the pope before them had even said . That place iS DANGEROUS . ITS no different than the JW
who sits under the WATCH TOWER and says THUS SAYETH THE LORD WHEN THEIR WATCH TOWER spouts something .
This is all bad news . IF even paul said HE must be tested , THEN WHY ON EARTH
do so many folks just trust in their leaders . IF ya doctrine dont align and agree with biblical doctrine , THEN ITS FALSE .
Now how simple is that . FLEE THE CC and FLEE any who does teach contrary to what is already written in the bible .
AND PS , dont let the catholics fool ya . THE JEWS had torah and faithfully copied it through all their generations ,
BUT WITH MANY of those leaders and peoples GOD WAS NOT WELL pleased .
JUST cause the CC had the scrips , DONT MEAN THEY TUAGHT BY THE SCRIPS . Its all a sham for power and control .
I will NOT sit at their table , nor at the table of compromise for unity that so many now sit at .
 
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I do believe Scripture....I don't belive YOUR interpretation of Scripture.
Hear what me and anyone else has to say, then allow the HOLY SPIRIT, not me, not anyone else convict you in your heart what is true and what is not. I know that's a whole new ball game for you. A new league in fact. But that is how it works. Your Catholic leaders suppressed this from you Catholics. They're all about perpetuating their jobs and keeping their flock dependent on them. They are not interested in you finding the real truth. And so there is no revelation of truth and life in Christ outside of them, so they insist.
 
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You have already admitted you don't even have the truth and what you think is true may not be true since you don't have the truth kiddo.
I'm 36 years into this. I have lots of truth. I'm just not so arrogant as to assert that there is not more truth for me to discover. And not so arrogant that there is no room to tweek what I do know. I've been doing that for 36 years. You? You are sure there is no tweeking, or more learning necessary because your leadership has it all. That's what's arrogant.
 

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But the Church does have the Truth....find that Church and then you will be free from your confusion Ferris
The body of Christ, the church, has whatever truth it actually does possess. It's terribly wrong, even arrogant, to think at this time in church history that there is still a central clearinghouse of authoritative knowledge of truth that one can simply consult like in the time of the original Apostles. That ended a long, long time ago when the Catholic church became the first denomination to "draw away disciples after them" (Acts 20:29-30). From that time onward the church was polluted by philosophical, un-spiritual, pagan-influenced and misguided gentile leaders. Until, finally, by the 16th century brave men stood up to the corrupt establishment and said, "enough!" And we true believers have been making our way out of the mess of the Catholic church ever since. And I thank God for it.
 

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Yep. Agree. Not the first time my speed typing results in weirdness lol.
As for that investigative judgment. Your are correct that there are some adventists who dont accept it. I'm not one of them. I have read a great deal from several different authors on that specific topic. Some authors from the time of Miller, and some from today. One thing I will absolutely corroborate from William Miller... That 1844 date. Yep, they got the event wrong, but the date is solid. But you first have to accept the historicist method of prophetic time interpretation... Day for a year. Understand that, and prophecy opens up in front of your eyes and all manner of previously confusing facets of prophecy begin make sense.
That said, the subject of the investigative judgement isn't a shallow topic. There are deep avenues of discovery and type/antitype facets of the OT sanctuary service intimately linked with NT literal fulfilments, such as the day of Atonement. Christians today recognize how all the OT feasts or holy days were met in the ministry of Jesus, such as the OT Passover was met in the antitypical sacrifice of Calvary, and the wave sheaf offering at the resurrection, and then a month later pentecost. They were the spring feasts, all at the beginning of the Jewish religious year. The others were in autumn, and to be met toward the end of the Christian era, culminating in the seconds coming and the feast of tabernacles which will take place in heaven. In the meantime, the feast of trumpets and the day of atonement need to find their fulfillment. Both were feasts of the sanctuary, yet the sanctuary is no longer standing. And the earthly sanctuary isn't where Jesus, the High Priest, would be ministering. The sanctuary in heaven is the locale for the final antitypical events. The day of atonement as described in Leviticus is a time of cleansing, repentance, self examination, and a prophecy in Daniel 8:14 informs us of the time for that future cleansing...1844. check it out.
Oh, and Jesus wouldn't enter into the most holy place at His ascension. The priest in the OT after the sacrifice would take the blood of the Lamb or bullock into the first compartment, not the second.
But the most important question remains to be answered: What is the cleansing of the sanctuary? That there was such a service in connection with the earthly sanctuary is stated in the Old Testament Scriptures. But can there be anything in heaven to be cleansed? In Hebrews 9 the cleansing of both the earthly and the heavenly sanctuary is plainly taught....Once a year, on the great Day of Atonement, the priest entered the most holy place for the cleansing of the sanctuary. The work there performed completed the yearly round of ministration.
It is a deep and wonderful study, and want accepted by our church pioneers without much prayer, farting, and all night Bible studies. It wasn't initiated by Ellen White
Its not correct my friend . JESUS entered in long ago . Just cause they have some truths about a day for a year .
WHICH IS TRUE , dont mean what they teach is true . Please flee it my friend .
I have long known by reading the holy scrips that GOD often used a day to represent a year .
Remember when GOD had the prophet lay on his side for three hundred days and then on his left side for forty days .
Each day represented a year . BUT this in no way justifies a false teaching that JESUS enterered into the holiest of holies
in eighteen hundred and forty four . I can make anything up by using truths to justify a lie . THIS aint new at all .
Please flee that teaching my friend . i already know what day the sabbath is on and i know who changed it .
I also know let each man be fully persuaded in his own mind . The adventists did have some solid truths
but the scary thing is , SO did the JEHOVA witnesses . WE just have to learn to follow THE WHOLE TRUTH .
DID you know that most JW and even most adventist thought i knew that bible well .
I could see when the preached truth , BUT i can also see when their is error . NOW i aint nothing , so dont think i am boasting in me .
GOD giveth and HE PUT ME IN the bible . DID you know , by grace , that is THE ONLY BOOK i have read for hours daily
every day , for over SIXTEEN years now . AND YET even i say TEST ALL THINGS I DO SAY .
But i am telling us all , THAT IS THE BOOK WE need to GET BACK INTO .
IF we just read the bible and stayed in it , THINGS could have been cleared up so fast .
THE problem is so many have learned things from whatever denomination they sat under
and thus its a war zone trying to get folks to return to the simple truth .
IF we all started over as simple babes in the bible , IT WOULD NOT TAKE LONG at all
to find and to agree upon the truth . Please abandon the investigative judgment thing .
AND REMEMBER i have ZERO problem with what day one has church on . I also KNOW the sabbath is on fri evening to sat evening .
BUT i also know let each man be fully persuaded in his own mind concerning MEATS DRINKS and DAYS .
WE need to be learning RIGHTEOUNESS and exposing what is evil . THE CC is evil . I Dont say that to be mean or hateful .
I just say it cause its true . My desire is only good for people . SO i say lets return to just and i mean JUST the BIBLE
then we can examine to see what each believes About the bible . But so long as folks preach their denominational teachings
its gonna be a war zone . BUT if we simply taught the scriptures , YOU would be amazed at how fast f
folks can learn the truth . ITS NOT DIFFICULT . IT dont take a wise mind or some scholar or etc to understand the scriptures .
IT simply is about trusting in GOD , in CHRIST and learning THE BIBLICAL VERSION OF SAID GOD of said CHRIST
and of said apostels . FROM There the peoples would grow .
 
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So you agree with all the doctrines/teachings of the SDA's?
No . nor do i agree with the JW , the mormon , the emergent , the prosperity gospel , liberal theology
or the sold out conservative theology . TIME TO GET IN BIBLES . IT would be so simple
if folks stopped preaching their denominational learnings and just started focusing on what is already written in the bible .
Its a utter mad house within christendom these days . YET the simple solution is , READ THY BIBLE
and start learnig FOR YOU
 

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Hello amigo.

Do you have a documented example of such?

Pax et Bonum
I have a large book , in the library that was written by a catholic , WHO STILL is a catholic and who still supports it
And he had a lot of records of the popes . Yes , i read a book that was wrote by a catholic and supported the system .
And the popes DID often contradict the popes . Look at pope francis . DO ya really think he has not himself
contradicted other popes . I mean LOOK at what HE is teaching . THIS rubbish that all religoins serve the same GOD .
really . NOT all popes would have agreed with that . THough vatican two supports such an idea
when it stated that muslims and christains worship the same GOD . I HOPE YOU KNOW that is A LIE .
At least agree with that . DO YOU REALLY beleive that muslims , buddists and so on serve the same GOD we do
 
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JESUS told even the JEWS who were the people of GOD , IF you beleive not in me YE shall die in yours sins
JESUS said ye are of your father the devil to the unbeliving jews . IF HE SAIDthat to the jews
REST assured he would have said it to the unbelieving gentiles or any other false religon .
ITS TIME to abandon all false hoods and lies and cling to CHRIST .
 
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I have a large book , in the library that was written by a catholic , WHO STILL is a catholic and who still supports it

Do you have a title? Or a link? Or the authors name? Please do share.

DO YOU REALLY beleive that muslims , buddists and so on serve the same GOD we do

There is only One God. I know little of buddhists, but Muslims worship the God of Abraham.

Is the One God not the God of Abraham?

Pax et Bonum
 
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The body of Christ, the church, has whatever truth it actually does possess. It's terribly wrong, even arrogant, to think at this time in church history that there is still a central clearinghouse of authoritative knowledge of truth that one can simply consult like in the time of the original Apostles. That ended a long, long time ago when the Catholic church became the first denomination to "draw away disciples after them" (Acts 20:29-30). From that time onward the church was polluted by philosophical, un-spiritual, pagan-influenced and misguided gentile leaders. Until, finally, by the 16th century brave men stood up to the corrupt establishment and said, "enough!" And we true believers have been making our way out of the mess of the Catholic church ever since. And I thank God for it.
Ok.....Here is the deal Ferris. I am going to just be straight up with you.

Jesus started The Church. Scripture says that the church is the pillar and foundation of truth. Your men have taught you that every Christian is 'the church'! You have admitted that you are still growing in the Truth and you do not know all the Truth's of Scripture. It is a process and maybe, someday, as you grow wiser you will know all the Truth. You have also said (I can't remember your exact words) that there are only a few chosen that are real Christians; the true believers. Since, by your own admittance, YOU still do not know the truth and you are still growing/learning that truth....you are not one of the chosen ones and you are NOT one of the true believers. Only the true believers KNOW the truth.

You have also thanked God for the division that the Protestant Revolution caused. Division does not come from God. There is only one divider of Christianity and that is Satan. So, you are actually thanking Satan for the division in Christianity.

Scripture says that we are to go to the church to settle our differences. Once again, your men have taught you that every christians IS the church. But that theory you have been taught makes no sense. If every Christian is the church then that means when I confront my brother that sins against me and he disagrees with me that means he (the church) is disagreeing with me (also the church). I then go and get 2 other members (2 other churches) and 3 churches are telling the one church they are wrong. If my brother (the church) disagrees with the 3 of us (3 churches) then we are to take that difference to the church (which is now the 5th church in this scenario) and the 5th church is to decide if he is to be treated as a pagan or tax collector. I know you will never admit how ridiculous how that scenario is OR how it is not what Scripture teaches OR how Christianity has worked for 2,000 years.

Your men have twisted eating/drinking Him on a daily basis into reading Scripture on a daily basis. He said it IS His body/blood. Your men have taught you it isn't. Paul said eating/drinking IS a participation in the body/blood of Christ; your men have taught you it isn't.

So, with all that said, I can no longer take you and your men serious.

Good luck....Mary
 

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No . nor do i agree with the JW , the mormon , the emergent , the prosperity gospel , liberal theology
or the sold out conservative theology . TIME TO GET IN BIBLES . IT would be so simple
if folks stopped preaching their denominational learnings and just started focusing on what is already written in the bible .
Its a utter mad house within christendom these days . YET the simple solution is , READ THY BIBLE
and start learnig FOR YOU
I have read the bible. Most of the stuff you write is opposite of what it teaches.

Sounds like YOU need to read the bible and start learning.....:Zek:
 

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Its up to the ACCUSER to prove why they accused .
YOU the one that said we have four different truths . NOW back UP your claim . Exactly .
Lol.....Have not all of you disagreed with each other in various posts? There is my proof kiddo.

Let's settle it all right now with one simple question: Amigo do you agree with everything @Wrangler @Ferris Bueller @Brakelite has written?

Both you and I already know the answer to that kiddo.....

Have a great day.....:Happy:
 

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If the literal blood and body of Jesus was given during the last supper, then Christ would have slit his wrist and cut a piece of his flesh off and the apostles would have had that..
Did they?
Then its obvious that Jesus is not speaking literally about wine and bread, being HIM.

The Literal wine that Christ is talking about, is about to be spilled by a whip, and a Cross.
The Literal bread He is talking about, is about to be nailed to a Tree.

There is your SALVATION.....LITERALLY, and when we "do this in remembrance", when we take communion/sacraments, we are doing exactly that.., we are worshiping in remembrance regarding what Jesus Literally gave to us ALL on Calvary.


Salvation is on THE CROSS.... 2000 yrs ago found.
Its not in a cup or in a wafer.
Hello Behold,

Your "cut a piece of flesh off" argument has been discussed/argued/debated for a long time and there are many websites/books/articles etc you can read that explain it. You reject it. That's fine. Here are the facts:

He said we must eat Him to have life in us and that his body is true food and his blood is true drink.
He then said the bread/wine IS His body and blood. You say it isn't.
Paul said when we consume the bread/wine it IS a participation in the body/blood of Christ. You disagree with Paul.
Historical Christians writings from the men that walked and talked with the Apostles said it IS His body blood. They agree with Paul and Jesus. Instead you read the writings of men from 500 years ago and adhere to their teachings. You disagree with Paul, Jesus and the students of the Apostles.

He told you what you had to do and then he showed you how to do it. You reject both. You lack faith that what He said is true. I don't.