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Well-Known Member
Apr 11, 2020
Netanya or Pensacola
God gives ministers to the body of Christ.
Some are chosen to be Evangelists, Pastors, and some are called to be Teachers.
This is a New Testament fact.

So, What we have to do, is understand how to not be deceived by a fake one, who is doing the devil's work.
I have written detailed Threads on this Forum...regarding "how to spot the heretic", "How to spot a dark light"., etc.
I teach how to KNOW what you are dealing with.... when someone tries to TEACH, and deceptively presents themselves as this POSITION, using a Pulpit or on a Forum.

Here is the 1st thing to find out, so that you know if you are dealing with a DECEIVER.

So lets look at it again.

Simple find out if they believe that JESUS DOES NOT KEEP THEM SAVED.

If they do not have faith in Christ to Keep them SAVED, then they do not actually trust IN CHRIST... they trust in themselves to get themselves into heaven.
You do not want THAT person, who has broken faith or NO faith, possibly a total Christian FAKIR to be teaching you the bible.

Now....Here is the END GAME revelation, regarding how to find out if the TEACHER is TRUE, or not.
Ask them.. ."do you believe and teach that SALVATION can be LOST".

If they say "sure", then you are dealing with a faithless, carnal, deceiver, who may be a real Christian, but they are "fallen from Grace" and have become a denier of the Cross of Christ, and an enemy of the Grace of God.
These people on a forum, will be found HOWLING about "OSAS"<.
Its all they do., as that is all they can do.


I hope you hear me., as if you can, you can protect yourself from these devil led people, who live on forums, and also use PULPITS to keep you deeply deceived and away from God's GRACE and God's empowering of your Discipleship., as that is their "ministry".


Well-Known Member
Aug 25, 2020
United States
Cos we are not saved until we die in Christ and in his grace!
Jn 15:1-5
1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.

2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Acts 9:4 persecution against Christians is persecution against Christ! Unity with Christ and communion with the father and his saints

1 pet 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

1 pet 2:20 For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.

21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:

2 Peter 1:3
According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

2 Peter 1:5
And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; (sure sounds like faith alone to me?)

Matt 24:13 endures to the end.

Mark 13:13
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:

1. Romans 11:22 – God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness

2. Colossians 1:21-23 – holy and blameless, if you continue in the faith"

3. The race of faith: the example of Paul

4. Hebrews 12:22-25: "we shall not escape if we turn away from Him"

5. Hebrews 4:1-3, 9-12: "strive to enter the rest of God"

6.Hebrews 6:4-9 – those who became partakers of the holy spirit and fell away

7. Hebrews 10:23-29, 35-39: "if we sin willfully", "if anyone draws back".

8. Matthew 24:13: He that endures to the end, the same shall be saved

9. Hebrews 3:4-6: Holding fast our confidence firm until the end

10. Matthew 24:13: "But the one who endures to the end will be saved"

11. 1 John 2:24-25 – "if what you heard from the beginning abides in you"

12. 2 John 8-9 : to "everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ

13. 2 Peter 1:5-11 : "Make every effort to supplement your faith"

14. Philippians 2:12-16: "work out your salvation with fear and trembling"

15. 1 Timothy 6:10-16: the love of money

16. Galatians 5:2-4 "Severed from Christ"

17. 2 Timothy 2:11-13: "if we deny him, he will also deny us"

18. James 5:19-20: the wandered brother

19. Some will abandon the faith

20. 1 Timothy 5:8: "he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever"

22. The real family of Jesus: "Those who hear the Word of God and do it"

23. 1 Corinthians 5:5: "so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord"

24. Peter 2: "It would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness"

25. Jude: "Turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness" - a much relevant warning

26. 1 Cor. 9:27 ....Lest I myself might become a castaway

27. Heb 1:14 shall be heirs of salvation

Romans 1:5
By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
(Must remain obedient)

(He who endured to the end) one who dies in a state of grace united to Jesus Christ by faith and baptism!
Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38 1 pet 3:21
Matt 24:13

Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

So salvation by “faith alone” is completely false and impossible if baptism is rejected!

“Faith alone” AVAILS NOTHING!!!


Well-Known Member
Oct 24, 2020
Northeast USA
United States
Here is the 1st thing to find out, so that you know if you are dealing with a DECEIVER.

find out if they believe that JESUS DOES NOT KEEP THEM SAVED.

Jesus keeps me saved because I continue in the faith grounded and settled (Colossians 1:23).

Jesus keeps me saved because I obey him (Luke 6:47).

Jesus keeps me saved because I’m humble and continue in God’s goodness, not the evilness of the Devil (Romans 11:20-22).

Jesus keeps me saved because I don’t wilfully sin and mockingly walk all over him (Hebrews 10:26-29).

Jesus keeps me saved because I am his servant (John 8:34).