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  1. Episkopos

    Episkopos Well-Known Member

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    Out from the bondage of sin. And whoever sins is a slave of sin....and the devil.

    If I want to purchase...say, a classic car, in order to free it from a "bad owner" so to speak...I pay the price to redeem it from the old owner. Then the old owner has no more authority and the car is now in my hands. But before that transaction it was under the authority of the old owner.

    So likewise we were in the bondage of darkness under the rulership of the power of the air controlled by the rebellion which is set up as a dominion over the whole world...to put the whole world in darkness and subservience through sin.

    But in Christ we have been set free...and soon the kingdoms of the world will be fully brought into the rulership of the Lord.
     
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    stunnedbygrace Well-Known Member

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    Okay, you made me laugh really hard there! Maybe you can let John know one day that you do not not care for his completely meaningless statement.
     
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    Episkopos Well-Known Member

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    Not on Jesus...

    John 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

    But on us...we were married to the old nature...and under the power of sin...which is the reigning force of the devil. We were in darkness...and the king of darkness ruled over us. We were both IN the world and OF the world.

    John 12:31-33
    Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out. And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself.' This He said, signifying by what death He would die.


    John 16:11
    of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.


    Ephesians 2:1-3
    And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.

    Luke 4:5-6
    Then the devil, taking Him up on a high mountain, showed Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. And the devil said to Him, "All this authority I will give You, and their glory; for this has been delivered to me, and I give it to whomever I wish.
     
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    ok so practically meaningless, many other vv that attest to this imo.
    i think it was a "bait" statement, made to see who would claim it w/o recognizing the others maybe
    but yeh, obv if we abide in Him... is "true"
     
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    yeh, were, ok
    lol
     
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    after all, who here would not hesitate to call the cops if someone stole their car?
    broke into their house?
    dont kid yourselfs ladies, you are totally, completely under the law k
    imo
     
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    Episkopos Well-Known Member

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    If someone hits you for no reason...you are bearing their sin on your body. That's what happened to Jesus. He took all the evil we could dish out on Himself. He took our ignorance, intolerance, cruelty, injustice...etc... all these are marked on His body.

    I'm sure you see it as something religious that Jesus somehow miraculously found a secret place where all the sins of the world were stored and somehow ingested them or something like that...more like a myth.

    Whereas the truth is brutal and obvious.
     
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    CharismaticLady Well-Known Member

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    There are a couple other threads going on right now on Penal Substitution, and I don't know what there is to be "against." Penal Substitution certainly is not the only reason Jesus came, but it is one of the reasons.
     
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    I think it has become so rare that even if a man did abide and tried to tell others it was possible to abide in Him and not sin, he would be laughed at, even WITH the witnesses to it in the word from God.
     
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    And if its obviously true as you say, why are men not abiding in Him so they won't sin?
     
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    But people are not looking for freedom from sin...they rather seek an immunity from judgment for sin.
    The biblical verses concerning Jesus' sacrifice are rendered to mean that very thing. Eisegesis...
     
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    And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand.

    They offer superficial treatments for my people’s mortal wound. They give assurances of peace when there is no peace.
     
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    At the last, there was... shall we say "a tinge."

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    well, see, imo the initial perception does not really = the full impact of the conclusions that must be come to there--and will be verified by Scripture btw--and ol epi is just...um, has just maybe found a way to push you off a cliff one tiptoe at a time there lol...

    anyway you leave mom and dad and the two shall become one flesh can be read differnt, k
    two "men" in a bed, two men in a field, one is taken, the other left
    that they may become One, as We are One

    but see all three must agree, to do everything from faith,
    gut, heart, mind
    2 out of 3 aint bad
    one counted 667, etcetc
    see

    oh daughters of Jerusalem, do not find love until you are ready

    are you ready for love? Bad rock group ripoffs notwithstanding?
    bc Solomon was not talking about what we call marriage either i guess k
    i could start drunk talkin agin here if you want lol
    feel the buzz comin on now
    :D
     
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    bro irl i would never eat meat agin rather than offend you ok, this stuff, meat, meh
    imo just be sure you aint tryna get a Re-ward for somethin youse sposedta be doin anyway k bro
    oh and when you get it i guess dont go bald like i did if you can help it lol
    dunno if it will matter tho, on the way to 777, youre surely gonna be accused of drunk at 9am too, and you will lose mosta them "friends" too i guess. Imo stick to the weather and cats with believers irl lol, make life a lot easier

    you gonna address them several vv i tagged you for, or
    not
     
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    from who/what tho.

    Who told you that you were naked,
    vij
    literally answer that Q
    ok i mean i did in our last interaction i guess, but before that i mean
    what did you go out into the wilderness to see vij
    that one too
     
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    I've said it for years on Christian forum site, and have even been called a heretic. It is because of greasy grace - turning the grace of God into licentiousness, Jude 1:4. When Christians cannot relate to what is described in Scripture as the normal power of a Christian, they choose for themselves, teachers that teach only imputed righteousness over their active carnal nature, rather than experiential righteousness and supernatural power of the born again divine nature.
     
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    well, i guess if we say we have no sin we are deceived tho, yah
    but great op tho anyway bro ty
     
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    knowledge brings sorrow
    why else dont find love until you are ready eh
     
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    dont be too bad or too good huh
    whatever you do gonna po someone i guess
     
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