Tares Reveal Themselves by what they DON’T Say...And They Are With us Here .How to Identify Them...

[Heart2Soul]

Let both grow. For now.

Some focus only on the ripe fields while ignoring the devastation of the enemy on the rampage, while others become overwhelmed with evil and miss the extraordinary outpouring of revelation that is coming to so many at this time. But wisdom recognizes both simultaneously.

Also, remember that the parable of the wheat and the tares is not static – the picture is dynamic with the good and the evil growing together.

Both good and bad are increasing. We can expect as time goes on for evil to increase in seriousness and in volume. We can also expect, with the passing weeks, months and years, for good to grow. We can expect to see more of God’s glory here on this earth, more people coming to faith, more demonstrations of God’s mighty power and salvation.

The question is, are we, God’s laborers, in position and ready for harvest time?

 

[HisLife]

Some focus only on the ripe fields while ignoring the devastation of the enemy on the rampage, while others become overwhelmed with evil and miss the extraordinary outpouring of revelation that is coming to so many at this time. But wisdom recognizes both simultaneously.

Also, remember that the parable of the wheat and the tares is not static – the picture is dynamic with the good and the evil growing together.

Both good and bad are increasing. We can expect as time goes on for evil to increase in seriousness and in volume. We can also expect, with the passing weeks, months and years, for good to grow. We can expect to see more of God’s glory here on this earth, more people coming to faith, more demonstrations of God’s mighty power and salvation.

The question is, are we, God’s laborers, in position and ready for harvest time?

2 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

The Fields are surely getting bigger, But the method is unchanged in 2000 years, It Jesus and him crucified

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek

We are living in the new testament, Take no care for tomorrow, The Method of Salvation is the Cross, That's why the Gospel message of Gods grace through faith in Jesus is what is needed, The harvest is plentiful the workers are few, There are not many teaching and standing for the Gospel

 

[Heart2Soul]

2 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

The Fields are surely getting bigger, But the method is unchanged in 2000 years, It Jesus and him crucified

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek

We are living in the new testament, Take no care for tomorrow, The Method of Salvation is the Cross, That's why the Gospel message of Gods grace through faith in Jesus is what is needed, The harvest is plentiful the workers are few, There are not many teaching and standing for the Gospel

Referring to the OP....he is correct in much of what he stated....you can't recognize them in the early stages of growth because they resemble the young wheat so well....it's when they mature that the difference is seen...
Recognizing them in the church may be difficult at first but they will eventually develop into full grown false believers.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

This is a little dangerous, but a very needed subject.

Precious friend?:

(1) "Judging others" is a little dangerous, but "very needed"?

a) Only God alone KNOWS the heart, so isn't JUDGING people, All His Work,
not ours?

b) Doesn't Romans 14 teach that "judging others" is a SIN?
"whatsoever is not of faith" (v. 23)? What IF we SAW "christian fruits" in an athiest?
Should we then judge them as "being saved"? How much more so those who should
be our own brothers/sisters In CHRIST?

c) IF the "doctrine" they are espousing is incorrect, certainly judge that, but not THEM,
and, Separate FROM them, as Paul Clearly Instructs, From God's Inspired Word!:

"Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and
offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
(Romans_16 : 17 KJB!), Correct Precious friend?

But, we must FIRST make sure OUR doctrine is correct, Correct? i.e:
Which doctrines Are FOR us, Today, Under God's GRACE?

c1) God's GRACE/Mystery Salvation By "GRACE Through Faith Alone"?
or:
God's Prophecy/Law salvation of "faith + works"? or:
The Incredible Combo teaching Of BOTH are FOR us! Confusing, eh?

c2) Then how about prophecy/Law water baptism WHICH NO ONE agrees on:
I have found 11 Different Traditional denominational teachings, ALL but
one claiming THEIRS Are From The Scriptures! At least the ONE TOLD THE
Truth, KNOWING/Admitting theirs was UNscriptural, and was "Tradition!"
or:

Under GRACE/Mystery, What If God {NOT "the author of all this Confusion!},
Says "There Is ONE Baptism," And THAT IT IS NOT water! (Ephesians 4 : 5;
1 Corinthians 12 : 13 KJB!) = Confusion SOLVED, eh, Precious friend?

c3) Then of course there is other Confusing teachings on tongues, healings, miracles,
gifts, dreams/visions and signs, and prophecies, etc., but we won't go there, yet...

d) The only Other Alternative {ecumenism} I know about is to "FORGET ALL doctrine,
and just ALL JOIN together in love to reach/change the world," Correct?

?"Approved Unto God"? (2 Timothy 2 : 15 KJB!)?

Ok, questions are done. Please Be Very Richly Blessed!

 

[Randy Kluth]

Precious friend?:

(1) "Judging others" is a little dangerous, but "very needed"?

a) Only God alone KNOWS the heart, so isn't JUDGING people, All His Work,
not ours?

No, of course not. If Jesus' work was to judge sin, so is ours. We don't perform the work of redemption, as he does, nor do we act as God, as he did. But we certainly participate in his call to judge sin.

What we don't do is sentence people, since only God can do that. But we can certainly identify them in their display of good or bad fruit.

Paul said that we are to exercise authority within the churches, to prevent false teaching from taking root there. There are clearly different kinds of "judging," so we have to be careful not to confuse two different kinds of judging.

b) Doesn't Romans 14 teach that "judging others" is a SIN?
"whatsoever is not of faith" (v. 23)? What IF we SAW "christian fruits" in an athiest?
Should we then judge them as "being saved"? How much more so those who should
be our own brothers/sisters In CHRIST?

That is a very confusing statement. We don't see "Christian fruit" in a "non-Christian!" We may see them act in a Christian appearance, actually doing some good. But to actually act "as a Christian" requires one to *be* a Christian! One can act in accordance with the Spirit, and not even be a Christian. But one cannot imitate being spiritually-renewed in their *nature* without actually *being* a Christian. There is a profound difference between just experiencing God and doing good, on one hand, and having our character changed and emitting Christ out of our relationship with God on the other hand.

c) IF the "doctrine" they are espousing is incorrect, certainly judge that, but not THEM,
and, Separate FROM them, as Paul Clearly Instructs, From God's Inspired Word!:

Paul judged men as good or evil all the time, and even judged Christians when they did not act appropriately. In 1 Cor 5 Paul judged a believer involved in immorality, did not refer to him as a non-brother, but judged him as in sin.

"Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and
offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
(Romans_16 : 17 KJB!), Correct Precious friend?

Paul actually judged men as being "of the Devil" at times! That is, he didn't just judge *their doctrine,* but also, their place!

But, we must FIRST make sure OUR doctrine is correct, Correct? i.e:
Which doctrines Are FOR us, Today, Under God's GRACE?

c1) God's GRACE/Mystery Salvation By "GRACE Through Faith Alone"?
or:
God's Prophecy/Law salvation of "faith + works"? or:
The Incredible Combo teaching Of BOTH are FOR us! Confusing, eh?

Not really. The problem is in how we use the word "works." We don't do the work of redemption, which only Christ could do. But we do actively initiate *choice* to embrace Christ over our own way, choosing to do *his work* instead of the works of the flesh.

c2) Then how about prophecy/Law water baptism WHICH NO ONE agrees on:
I have found 11 Different Traditional denominational teachings, ALL but
one claiming THEIRS Are From The Scriptures! At least the ONE TOLD THE
Truth, KNOWING/Admitting theirs was UNscriptural, and was "Tradition!"
or:

Under GRACE/Mystery, What If God {NOT "the author of all this Confusion!},
Says "There Is ONE Baptism," And THAT IT IS NOT water! (Ephesians 4 : 5;
1 Corinthians 12 : 13 KJB!) = Confusion SOLVED, eh, Precious friend?

Yes, there are different approaches to water baptism. But the "one Baptism" spoken of in the Scriptures refers to *Spirit Baptism*--not Water Baptism. Water Baptism is only symbolic of Spirit Baptism, which is what John the Baptist said was the greater baptism Jesus came to bring.

c3) Then of course there is other Confusing teachings on tongues, healings, miracles,
gifts, dreams/visions and signs, and prophecies, etc., but we won't go there, yet...

I believe in the Gifts of the Spirit. But I don't believe all have all the Gifts! I don't believe all *should* speak in tongues. I believe the Spirit gives gifts *as He wills!*

d) The only Other Alternative {ecumenism} I know about is to "FORGET ALL doctrine,
and just ALL JOIN together in love to reach/change the world," Correct?

?"Approved Unto God"? (2 Timothy 2 : 15 KJB!)?

Ok, questions are done. Please Be Very Richly Blessed!

Yea, ecumenism is a code word for liberal compromise. True "ecumenism" is based on true doctrine and on a true relationship with Christ. That establishes a true brotherhood.

 

[fellow]

Tares exist throughout the church, throughout discussion groups and throughout Forum sites like “ Christianity Board”.....They are inevitable and as Jesus makes clear in Matt 13:24 , He has no intention of rooting them out until the Final Days.....they are such effective “ phony” Christians, it will take Angels to identify and sort them out .....it’s extremely difficult for men to do it....but try we must! We have to live with them for now, but we can avoid them and their attempts to “ shipwreck” our Faith If we can identify them.....it takes genuine Spiritual Maturity to do it.....Tares are EXPERTS at Faking it.....

Tares are essentially Religious Phonies.....They think they can be Saved by “ Aping” the Behavior Of a True Christian instead of possessing the New Heart That actually made that True Christian what he truly is now that he has been truly Saved by becoming a “ New Creation” with New Desires and New “ wants”......The Tare is all about “CHANGING” the outside of the cup—— things that HE can do , as opposed to letting God “ TRANSFORM” the inside of the cup—- something ONLY God can do.....they lack the Trust...they lack the Faith to “ let go and let God.” The so- called “ Christians” who are always going around pointing their self-Righteous fingers at others and always have that Judgmental Scowl on their faces? Those are usually your Tares....

A good example of a couple Of Tares would be Ananias and Sapphira.....they were religious fakes .....acting like they were generous like the genuine Believers .....in the end all they were doing was trying to impress others by being Deceptive about the money they had raised by selling their land....they claimed to give it all away like the others , but they secretly held back some of it and lied about it.....Tare Behavior....

Tares can pretend to be “ Righteous” , but a True Believer can always pick up on a certain unease, a certain clumsiness......the Tare always has an Air Of Superiority...their Hearts remain unchanged, their “ superiority” stems from a heart that is 100% legalistic in regard to everything it encounters.....they have no real “ soft spot” for others.....

Tares are not Believers.....all they can do is exist alongside True Believers and hide their true selves , giving lip- service to the Blood as they hypocritically sing songs like “ Nothing But The Blood Of Jesus” and pretending that they understand Grace, etc......anything to get along and fit in. Eventually however, their True Colors will show......they will hide behind their masks, but as True Believers , all we have to do is to look long enough and we will be able to see that “ Stinking Air Of Superiority” underneath the mask.....

The Tares are Legalists.....completely ignorant of Grace because God has not extended it to them because they see no need for it and never ask for it.....their works will get them by— they think....the Tare only wants to see outward changes in people ......he does not understand the Gospel Of Grace .....he doesn’t really care about getting people Saved.....he wants Power.....another Notch on his belt.....yes, it’s all about Power—- not Souls....

The Tare never presents an air of humility in regard to Personal Sins— they simply deny them .....they brag about their ability to live Sinless lives,and THAT, my friend, is the True Defining Trait Of The Full- Fledged Tare......that is when they truly come out of their “ hiding” and show their True selves and start attacking others .....they are now full- fledged “ Accusers Of The Brethren”.....We May be stuck with them until the Angels come and get them and drag them to Hell but at least as we identify them , we can now avoid them.....

Tares are not Believers.Understand that.They are Lost.They lack being “ Born Again” .....their hearts have never truly been made Contrite by the Conviction Of Sin That only the Holy Spirit can provide.....
It is a Contriteness that results from truly seeing their wretchedness before a Holy God.....seeing that without the Grace of God , They would be headed for a well- deserved Hell like a speeding bullet! The unregenerate man MUST come to God , TURN TO GOD ( True Salvation Repentance That Saves! ) as a Lost, Hopeless Sinner That MUST have a Savior to clean him up and make him “ Fit For Heaven” ......God will NOT Save those Trying to Earn Heaven......He will Save ALL that are simply TRUSTING to get to Heaven.....May God bless us all in the understanding of these things....

Tares don't normally go to church. They claim to be Jews and keep the Jewish laws. There are about 37 Jews in congress and 10 in the Senate. A large number for such a small part of our population.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Tares don't normally go to church. They claim to be Jews and keep the Jewish laws. There are about 37 Jews in congress and 10 in the Senate. A large number for such a small part of our population.

The calling of God is irrevocable. If God promised Abraham a nation, that nation will continue to exist in one form or another. The Jewish People are being kept alive for a reason, and it has to do with God's faithfulness.

Certainly, the Jewish People overall are not in favor with God right now, because they have yet to embrace Jesus as their Messiah. But some always do. And eventually, they will establish a Christian nation, I believe. This will take place *after* Christ returns from heaven.

The Arabs are also being protected by God for the sake of Abraham--they also, in part, are descended from him. But they have many nations in the Middle East and in Africa. Israel has only two major nations by which to preserve themselves and impact the world for good--Israel and the U.S.

It is not surprising to me that the Jews have an inordinate, and disproportionate influence in the West. They were called to be a light to the world.

Having gone astray, the "light" they emit right now is mostly the wrong kind, but can still do some good. Be patient and operate in grace with evangelism in mind. Certainly, many will be judged. But many will be saved, as well.

We should remain good witnesses to the Jewish People, even when they don't deserve it. We all fall into the category of "undeserving."

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

The Tares are Legalists.....completely ignorant of Grace because God has not extended it to them because they see no need for it and never ask for it.....their works will get them by— they think....the Tare only wants to see outward changes in people ......he does not understand the Gospel Of Grace .....he doesn’t really care about getting people Saved.....he wants Power.....another Notch on his belt.....yes, it’s all about Power—- not Souls....

I just always use, "By their fruits you will know them". A Christian will eventually bear fruit. A non-Christian won't. But you judge too soon. Many people in church any mot be born again and producing fruit, but that doesn't mean they are reprobates - unredemable. Some maybe, but we cannot know exactly how God is working in their lives. They could be corrupt, rebellious, causing havoc, destructive, but years later God lifts the veil.
Saul persecuted Chrisitans. He wasn't even a tare among them, yet he was transformed by God and was named Paul.
You say tares are legalists. Why would a reprobate want to try to keep the Law. Reprobates live by their own book of rules or non at all.
Now a tare mimics the wheat but not to be saved, they don't believe in God.
I think many Chrisitians are in part legalists, especially Catholics who do believe in Jesus, Grace but that works is required for salvation, so they legalistically try to earn their way. This is error, a misunderstanding on their part, but I don't believe it forfeits their faith, which is a gift. They misunderstand faith without works is dead. Works, trying to keep the Law is in a sense practicing Christianity. We avoid sin and try to do good deeds. But our works do not earn our salvation. The Holy Spirit is the one who works through us to produce fruit. He makes us holy. So people trying to make themselves holy is just an effort in their part. Tares don't make an effort to obey the law nor try to be holy - they dont believe in God

Tares are not Believers.Understand that.They are Lost.They lack being “ Born Again”

That's true. So why would they try to be holy, legalists?
Just to deceive us and corrupt us? Maybe Some, but we really don't know if they are tares. Just maybe non-believers who will be effectually transformed someday in the future.

 

[fellow]

The calling of God is irrevocable. If God promised Abraham a nation, that nation will continue to exist in one form or another. The Jewish People are being kept alive for a reason, and it has to do with God's faithfulness.

Certainly, the Jewish People overall are not in favor with God right now, because they have yet to embrace Jesus as their Messiah. But some always do. And eventually, they will establish a Christian nation, I believe. This will take place *after* Christ returns from heaven.

The Arabs are also being protected by God for the sake of Abraham--they also, in part, are descended from him. But they have many nations in the Middle East and in Africa. Israel has only two major nations by which to preserve themselves and impact the world for good--Israel and the U.S.

It is not surprising to me that the Jews have an inordinate, and disproportionate influence in the West. They were called to be a light to the world.

Having gone astray, the "light" they emit right now is mostly the wrong kind, but can still do some good. Be patient and operate in grace with evangelism in mind. Certainly, many will be judged. But many will be saved, as well.

We should remain good witnesses to the Jewish People, even when they don't deserve it. We all fall into the category of "undeserving."

Jesus speaking to the fake Jews!
Joh 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Joh 8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
True, They are of Abraham's seed by way of Esau
Gen 28:8 And Esau seeing that the daughters of Canaan (Cain of the devil) pleased not Isaac his father;
Gen 28:9 Then went Esau unto Ishmael, and took unto the wives which he had Mahalath the daughter of Ishmael Abraham's son, the sister of Nebajoth, to be his wife.

Joh 8:37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.
Joh 8:38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.

Joh 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Joh 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Jesus speaking to the fake Jews!
Joh 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Joh 8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
True, They are of Abraham's seed by way of Esau
Gen 28:8 And Esau seeing that the daughters of Canaan (Cain of the devil) pleased not Isaac his father;
Gen 28:9 Then went Esau unto Ishmael, and took unto the wives which he had Mahalath the daughter of Ishmael Abraham's son, the sister of Nebajoth, to be his wife.

Joh 8:37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.
Joh 8:38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.

Joh 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Joh 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

No question about it. There are "tares." But if there are tares, there is also the good grain. Both exist. The fall of a nation does not mean the nation cannot be reconstituted. It will, I think.

 

[Wynona]

I think these verses are relevant to the debate here. Emphasis is mine.

John 15:1-7
King James Version

15 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.

2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

I believe that part of what it means to abide in Jesus is believing in Him and trusting Him for both the salvation and the fruit we bear.

That being said, if we are the branches and must abide or be cast forth and burned with fire, than I see this as a warning that we must, in fact do something in our relationship with Jesus. This is a relationship that depends on us doing something. We must abide and His Words must abide in us.

Jesus has done His part in becoming the true vine that God dresses. We must do our part in continuing to believe His Words and abide in Him.



Several times, Ive heard that to trust in yourself is to fall from grace. But no one here is advocating that we save ourselves. But it does involve obedience.

John 15:10

If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Jesus left us with Two Commandments—- #1 Believe. #2 Love. 1John 3:23

 

[fellow]

A lot of truth in this post! Thanks.

Randy thanking Randy for Randy's post?

 

[Randy Kluth]

Randy thanking Randy for Randy's post?

lol! I'm not sure what I was doing--certainly not thanking myself! I won't go back to figure out who I was trying to thank--just let it be known I was not responding to myself! Sorry about that!

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Tares exist throughout the church, throughout discussion groups and throughout Forum sites like “ Christianity Board”.....They are inevitable and as Jesus makes clear in Matt 13:24 , He has no intention of rooting them out until the Final Days.....they are such effective “ phony” Christians, it will take Angels to identify and sort them out .....it’s extremely difficult for men to do it....but try we must! We have to live with them for now, but we can avoid them and their attempts to “ shipwreck” our Faith If we can identify them.....it takes genuine Spiritual Maturity to do it.....Tares are EXPERTS at Faking it.....

Tares are essentially Religious Phonies.....They think they can be Saved by “ Aping” the Behavior Of a True Christian instead of possessing the New Heart That actually made that True Christian what he truly is now that he has been truly Saved by becoming a “ New Creation” with New Desires and New “ wants”......The Tare is all about “CHANGING” the outside of the cup—— things that HE can do , as opposed to letting God “ TRANSFORM” the inside of the cup—- something ONLY God can do.....they lack the Trust...they lack the Faith to “ let go and let God.” The so- called “ Christians” who are always going around pointing their self-Righteous fingers at others and always have that Judgmental Scowl on their faces? Those are usually your Tares....

A good example of a couple Of Tares would be Ananias and Sapphira.....they were religious fakes .....acting like they were generous like the genuine Believers .....in the end all they were doing was trying to impress others by being Deceptive about the money they had raised by selling their land....they claimed to give it all away like the others , but they secretly held back some of it and lied about it.....Tare Behavior....

Tares can pretend to be “ Righteous” , but a True Believer can always pick up on a certain unease, a certain clumsiness......the Tare always has an Air Of Superiority...their Hearts remain unchanged, their “ superiority” stems from a heart that is 100% legalistic in regard to everything it encounters.....they have no real “ soft spot” for others.....

Tares are not Believers.....all they can do is exist alongside True Believers and hide their true selves , giving lip- service to the Blood as they hypocritically sing songs like “ Nothing But The Blood Of Jesus” and pretending that they understand Grace, etc......anything to get along and fit in. Eventually however, their True Colors will show......they will hide behind their masks, but as True Believers , all we have to do is to look long enough and we will be able to see that “ Stinking Air Of Superiority” underneath the mask.....

The Tares are Legalists.....completely ignorant of Grace because God has not extended it to them because they see no need for it and never ask for it.....their works will get them by— they think....the Tare only wants to see outward changes in people ......he does not understand the Gospel Of Grace .....he doesn’t really care about getting people Saved.....he wants Power.....another Notch on his belt.....yes, it’s all about Power—- not Souls....

The Tare never presents an air of humility in regard to Personal Sins— they simply deny them .....they brag about their ability to live Sinless lives,and THAT, my friend, is the True Defining Trait Of The Full- Fledged Tare......that is when they truly come out of their “ hiding” and show their True selves and start attacking others .....they are now full- fledged “ Accusers Of The Brethren”.....We May be stuck with them until the Angels come and get them and drag them to Hell but at least as we identify them , we can now avoid them.....

Tares are not Believers.Understand that.They are Lost.They lack being “ Born Again” .....their hearts have never truly been made Contrite by the Conviction Of Sin That only the Holy Spirit can provide.....
It is a Contriteness that results from truly seeing their wretchedness before a Holy God.....seeing that without the Grace of God , They would be headed for a well- deserved Hell like a speeding bullet! The unregenerate man MUST come to God , TURN TO GOD ( True Salvation Repentance That Saves! ) as a Lost, Hopeless Sinner That MUST have a Savior to clean him up and make him “ Fit For Heaven” ......God will NOT Save those Trying to Earn Heaven......He will Save ALL that are simply TRUSTING to get to Heaven.....May God bless us all in the understanding of these things....

From what I understand about what Jesus said about Matthew 13:24 about the weeds(tares)and the wheat that were sowed in the field, Jesus said the field was the world, not the church. Matthew 13:37- 43

 

[fellow]

The calling of God is irrevocable. If God promised Abraham a nation, that nation will continue to exist in one form or another. The Jewish People are being kept alive for a reason, and it has to do with God's faithfulness.

Certainly, the Jewish People overall are not in favor with God right now, because they have yet to embrace Jesus as their Messiah. But some always do. And eventually, they will establish a Christian nation, I believe. This will take place *after* Christ returns from heaven.

The Arabs are also being protected by God for the sake of Abraham--they also, in part, are descended from him. But they have many nations in the Middle East and in Africa. Israel has only two major nations by which to preserve themselves and impact the world for good--Israel and the U.S.

It is not surprising to me that the Jews have an inordinate, and disproportionate influence in the West. They were called to be a light to the world.

Having gone astray, the "light" they emit right now is mostly the wrong kind, but can still do some good. Be patient and operate in grace with evangelism in mind. Certainly, many will be judged. But many will be saved, as well.

We should remain good witnesses to the Jewish People, even when they don't deserve it. We all fall into the category of "undeserving."

There are Jews and there are fake Jews. While the Jews were captive in Babylon the King allowed the captive Jews to go and rebuild the temple. Fake Jews, Babylon children of Esau, went also. They did help rebuild the temple but then they decided to take the position of Pharisees. They weren't Jews but they decided on their own to become Pharisees, these were the ones who cried "put him on the cross".

 

[fellow]

The calling of God is irrevocable. If God promised Abraham a nation, that nation will continue to exist in one form or another. The Jewish People are being kept alive for a reason, and it has to do with God's faithfulness.

Certainly, the Jewish People overall are not in favor with God right now, because they have yet to embrace Jesus as their Messiah. But some always do. And eventually, they will establish a Christian nation, I believe. This will take place *after* Christ returns from heaven.

The Arabs are also being protected by God for the sake of Abraham--they also, in part, are descended from him. But they have many nations in the Middle East and in Africa. Israel has only two major nations by which to preserve themselves and impact the world for good--Israel and the U.S.

It is not surprising to me that the Jews have an inordinate, and disproportionate influence in the West. They were called to be a light to the world.

Having gone astray, the "light" they emit right now is mostly the wrong kind, but can still do some good. Be patient and operate in grace with evangelism in mind. Certainly, many will be judged. But many will be saved, as well.

We should remain good witnesses to the Jewish People, even when they don't deserve it. We all fall into the category of "undeserving."

If it is possible be a light when in their presence. It would be a great revival that would break out if these Jews come to Jesus.

 

[Randy Kluth]

There are Jews and there are fake Jews. While the Jews were captive in Babylon the King allowed the captive Jews to go and rebuild the temple. Fake Jews, Babylon children of Esau, went also. They did help rebuild the temple but then they decided to take the position of Pharisees. They weren't Jews but they decided on their own to become Pharisees, these were the ones who cried "put him on the cross".

Yes, these Jews put Jesus on the cross. And yet Jesus said, "Father forgive them, for they know not what they do!" Can we have an attitude different from this?

 

[Randy Kluth]

If it is possible be a light when in their presence. It would be a great revival that would break out if these Jews come to Jesus.

Yes, my experience with Jews is that they are all about being "real." I don't try to "suck up to them." I tell them how I really feel, and when they try to lay on me all of their liberal stuff, or try to ignore me out of their own exclusive religion, I just trust God to be the One reaching out to them. God is irresistible to those He calls.

 

[DOT DAVIS]

Entire Sanctification

Amen♡