Tares Reveal Themselves by what they DON’T Say...And They Are With us Here .How to Identify Them...

[Ferris Bueller]

Religion says “DO !” ..... Christianity says “ DONE !”

If you really had the finished work of Christ applied to your life by faith you wouldn't be purposely living in your old life of sin. This is the single most important truth that escapes you. Salvation changes a person. If you don't have that change, you aren't saved.

...let no one deceive you...
8The one who practices sin is of the devil...
9Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin...
1 John 3:7-9​

Let that sink in, BB. You have been deceived by false teachers. An unrepentant person purposely living in their old life of sin is an unsaved person. They show that they are not born again and do not have the grace of God in salvation. "LET NO ONE DECEIVE YOU"-vs.7.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Not repenting shows you do not believe. Unbelievers do not have the protection of Christ's blood to keep them from going to hell. They haven't placed their trust in it. And so they are condemned by their sin. That's the difference.

Just for the record—— explain what you mean when you use the word “ Repentance”..... do you mean it to say one is sorry for their sins? Do you mean it to say “ I will stop sinning”...... do you mean it to say “ turn to God” ......do you mean it to say “a change of mind in regard to who Jesus is ? “

You use the word so often .....I want to know precisely what you mean by Repenting and what part it plays in Getting Saved and what part it plays in Staying Saved.....I need to know what you think in order to answer your questions.....

The Bible NEVER says we have to repent of sins to be Saved .....it ain’t in the KJV......yet you seem to think that we do.....please explain precisely how you think a man gets Saved and stays Saved and the part that Repentance plays in all of this......I say that a Repentance That Saves is shown by the Tax- Collector who TURNED TO GOD ( the type of repentance that saves) as a Lost Sinner and cried out for Mercy......what say you? Give me an illustration of a man who Repented properly according to you....thanks...

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Just for the record—— explain what you mean when you use the word “ Repentance”..... do you mean it to say one is sorry for their sins? Do you mean it to say “ I will stop sinning”...... do you mean it to say “ turn to God” ......do you mean it to say “a change of mind in regard to who Jesus is ? “

It is a change of mind about sin and a change of mind about God. Obviously, a change of mind would precipitate a change in behavior, or else you really haven't changed your mind about anything. There's no such thing as a change of mind without a corresponding change in how you act.

"...so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins" Acts 26:18​

The Bible NEVER says we have to repent of sins to be Saved ..

As you can see above it does say that, just not for the purpose of earning salvation by not sinning. Repentance—a turning away from sin and toward God—is definitely part of Paul's gospel message, just not for the purpose of earning salvation.

"I declared that they should repent and turn to God, performing deeds worthy of their repentance." Acts 26:20​

 

[BloodBought 1953]

You keep ignoring what I showed you in the passage that he had to repent in order to be saved when Christ returns and that he was turned over to his sin in the hope he would repent. I showed you this but you keep ignoring it.

He wasn’t “ turned over to his sin”..... he was Chastised by God— thrown out of the church !

He was saved just like Anybody else is—— his Faith in the Gospel —- he believed Jesus died for his sins and rise from the grave.....that is the gospel of Paul That Saves If just simply Believed ....this is the recipe for Salvation that Paul preached , given to him by Jesus personally.....no mention of “ repentance” ......you Repent when you “ change your mind” about the Gospel......one starts out by NOT Believing it and later “ changes his mind” about it and actually Believes it—— that is ALL the Repenting That Anybody need do to get Saved....To ADD “ repenting of sins” is a False Gospel, no matter how “ Holy” that might sound ......Sorrow and/ or Regret for sin may play a part in leading to Believing the Gospel —— But it ain’t the Gospel . If by “ repent “ you mean “ stop sinning from now on” —— that’s just plain foolishness—— it ain’t gonna happen while you are in a Body Of Flesh with a sinful nature .....if you say, “ well , you can’t really stop sinning but you have to be Willing to try”...... that may be a worthy goal , but again .....it ain’t the Gospel .The Gospel is what God has done for you——NOT what you do for God. All one must do to get Saved is Simply Believe that Gospel......

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Give me an illustration of a man who Repented properly according to you....thanks...

"...they themselves report what kind of welcome you gave us, and how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God..." 1 Thessalonians 1:9

"Zacchaeus stood up and said to the Lord, “Look, Lord, half of my possessions I give to the poor, and if I have cheated anyone, I will repay it fourfold.” Jesus said to him, “Today salvation has come to this house..." Luke 19:8-9

"...she has anointed My feet with perfume. 47Therefore I tell you, because her many sins have been forgiven, she has loved much. But he who has been forgiven little loves little.”48Then Jesus said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.” Luke 7:46​

Their salvation is evidenced by their repentance (their change of mind and behavior away from sin and toward God). A change of mind that is not visible in some way is a change that has not occurred. No change shows there is no grace present in the unrepentant person to cause repentance. They have rejected it.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

He wasn’t “ turned over to his sin”.

He was turned over to his flesh. That was done in the hope the flesh would be put to death in repentance. And so he would be saved on the Day of Christ. Read the passage. It's all right there.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

It is a change of mind about sin and a change of mind about God. Obviously, a change of mind would precipitate a change in behavior, or else you really haven't changed your mind about anything. There's no such thing as a change of mind without a corresponding change in how you act.

"...so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins" Acts 26:18​

As you can see above it does say that, just not for the purpose of earning salvation by not sinning. Repentance—a turning away from sin and toward God—is definitely part of Paul's gospel message, just not for the purpose of earning salvation.

"I declared that they should repent and turn to God, performing deeds worthy of their repentance." Acts 26:20​

Once again.....It DOES NOT SAY “ Repent OF SINS! “ Repent” and “ Turn to God ” are the Same Thing......its like saying “ Run swiftly and run like the wind” .....both mean the same.....

Notice it also dos NOT say “ performing deeds worthy of SALVATiON! The whole purpose of God creating us —- what He wants to see—- is people “loving each other , carrying each other’s burdens”.....if one “ turns to God” ( repentance) , God will put His Spirit in that person and good deeds will flow naturally.....if you let the Holy Spirit “ hang around” long enough as you practice Faith —- the only thing that “ GOT” you that Holy Spirit to begin with—- NOT your sorrow for sin or your determination to quit sinning.....both good things, but they don’t save you and they don’t get The Holy Spirit in you......Faith in the Gospel Of Paul , given to him by Jesus , is what accomplishes THAT! If you add “ Repenting Of Sins ” to the Gospel Of Grace preached by Paul, you are “ Fallen From Grace”...... Read Galatians and then tell me that I am wrong.....good luck.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Once again.....It DOES NOT SAY “ Repent OF SINS!

What is it about turning from idols, turning from darkness, turning from the power of satan, turning from dead works that you do not understand?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Notice it also dos NOT say “ performing deeds worthy of SALVATiON!

I didn't say it did. You just insist on hearing it that way. It seems you are incapable of thinking any other way. You seem to only be able to understand repentance in terms of repentance earning salvation.

What you're not getting is repentance means not just a change of mind, but a change of behavior, too. Continuing in your old life unchanged is not repentance. It just isn't, BB. But neither is repentance sinless perfection, but it is a change, nonetheless. The lack of this change indicates no grace of God is present to fuel that repentance. That person is showing themselves to have rejected the grace of God. Remember, John and Paul both said to NOT BE DECEIVED ABOUT THIS. You are most definitely deceived about this. You are claiming unrepentant people can be saved people, too. That's not what John and Paul say. You are deceived about this.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Repenting Of Sins ” to the Gospel Of Grace preached by Paul, you are “ Fallen From Grace”...... Read Galatians and then tell me that I am wrong.....good luck.

Repenting of sins is only a works gospel if you think repenting of sin EARNS your salvation.

Right in the letter to the Galatians Paul tells them that people who do not repent and practice sin will not inherit the kingdom of God:

"The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity, and debauchery; idolatry and sorcery; hatred, discord, jealousy, and rage; rivalries, divisions, factions, and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God." Galatians 5:19-21​

Is Paul telling them that they must not practice these things because salvation is by works? Of course not! And yet he tells them if they don't repent of these things they will not inherit the kingdom. So you see, you have to repent of sin to be saved. What you can't understand is how that is true (see above if still don't believe it) and that not be a works gospel.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

"The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity, and debauchery; idolatry and sorcery; hatred, discord, jealousy, and rage; rivalries, divisions, factions, and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God." Galatians 5:19-21​

BB, you don't seem to get it that YOU are the one that is fallen from grace, if grace has not changed you. Doing works to earn salvation is not the only way to fall from grace. Rejecting God's grace and returning to your sinful life is also falling from grace. That's why the person who does that won't be saved when Jesus comes back. He has nothing to look forward to but the wrath of God in fiery judgment.

 

[Jared42]

"...they themselves report what kind of welcome you gave us, and how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God..." 1 Thessalonians 1:9

"Zacchaeus stood up and said to the Lord, “Look, Lord, half of my possessions I give to the poor, and if I have cheated anyone, I will repay it fourfold.” Jesus said to him, “Today salvation has come to this house..." Luke 19:8-9

"...she has anointed My feet with perfume. 47Therefore I tell you, because her many sins have been forgiven, she has loved much. But he who has been forgiven little loves little.”48Then Jesus said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.” Luke 7:46​

Their salvation is evidenced by their repentance (their change of mind and behavior away from sin and toward God). A change of mind that is not visible in some way is a change that has not occurred. No change shows there is no grace present in the unrepentant person to cause repentance. They have rejected it.

Tell us how you personally can verify if such a change has happened in anyone through repentance.

Please go ahead and give a good answer based upon Scripture.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

What is it about turning from idols, turning from darkness, turning from the power of satan, turning from dead works that you do not understand?

I understand all of these great, positive things......what YOU do not understand is that doing ALL of these things will not SAVE you! That’s what I am talking about——SALVATION! Nothing else. Salvation is a gift.......GIVEN to those who TURN TO GOD as Lost Sinners and put their Faith in the Finished Work Of Jesus Christ at the Cross to Save them......YOU do not understand the difference between Salvation and the results Of Salvation....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

"The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity, and debauchery; idolatry and sorcery; hatred, discord, jealousy, and rage; rivalries, divisions, factions, and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God." Galatians 5:19-21​

BB, you don't seem to get it that YOU are the one that is fallen from grace, if grace has not changed you. Doing works to earn salvation is not the only way to fall from grace. Rejecting God's grace and returning to your sinful life is also falling from grace. That's why the person who does that won't be saved when Jesus comes back. He has nothing to look forward to but the wrath of God in fiery judgment.

I can’t debate a person that refuses to obey certain rules....One Rule is that words have precise meanings....combinations of words actually DO describe certain things and you just ascribe any meaning convenient to you to make a false argument.....its like some people take anything positive from the Bible and say it’s “ the Gospel”.....No. The Gospel is 1 Cor 15:1-4 and nothing else...It is Paul’s Gospel Given to Him by Jesus....it is the one and only Gospel that you will be judged by when you stand before God.....it is the one that if you fail to rest in, God will declare you guilty of Unbelief ......

Returning to a Sinful life is a bad thing.....just because it is a bad thing does not mean that it is an example of “ Falling From Grace” .....Read Galatians 5..... it tells you what it actually * IS* to Fall From Grace .....it’s ADDING to the Gospel Found In 1Cor15:1-4......Its saying that even though Jesus is ESSENTIAL for Salvation, He is just not ADEQUATE in and of “Himself” for that Salvation....
Faith in The Shed Blood Of Jesus and Believing the Gospel wasn't enough, even though Jesus ,through Paul , said that it was .....it needs your help .....Jesus needs a “ Co - Savior” to fill in the gap that the Cross neglected....

YOUR False Gospel Addition is Repenting from Sins....It Sounds Holy and good but is not in the Gospel.You don't care.....You define a very Specific Gospel and a very specific meaning of “Falling Frim Grace” as anything you want it to be.....

How could we discuss cows if you say cows are birds.....you are not dealing in reality, other than a reality of your own making ....I don’t doubt your sincerity , but that makes it all the worse.....Try to learn the actual meanings of words and phrases....pretend that they count for something.....then we can have discussions.....not until then....REPENT Of Just throwing stuff out there to see if it will stick....it won’t “ stick” with those that know their Bible....Let me know if you are ever enlightened to understand that “Falling from Grace” means ADDING to the Gospel and understanding it means NOTHING ELSE....yep....words and phrases actually have precise meanings, Believe it or not.....

 

[Jared42]

I can’t debate a person that refuses to obey certain rules....One Rule is that words have precise meanings....combinations of words actually DO describe certain things and you just ascribe any meaning convenient to you to make a false argument.....its like some people take anything positive from the Bible and say it’s “ the Gospel”.....No. The Gospel is 1 Cor 15:1-4 and nothing else...It is Paul’s Gospel Given to Him by Jesus....it is the one and only Gospel that you will be judged by when you stand before God.....it is the one that if you fail to rest in, God will declare you guilty of Unbelief ......

Returning to a Sinful life is a bad thing.....just because it is a bad thing does not mean that it is an example of “ Falling From Grace” .....Read Galatians 5..... it tells you what it actually * IS* to Fall From Grace .....it’s ADDING to the Gospel Found In 1Cor15:1-4......Its saying that even though Jesus is ESSENTIAL for Salvation, He is just not ADEQUATE in and of “Himself” for that Salvation....
Faith in The Shed Blood Of Jesus and Believing the Gospel wasn't enough, even though Jesus ,through Paul , said that it was .....it needs your help .....Jesus needs a “ Co - Savior” to fill in the gap that the Cross neglected....

YOUR False Gospel Addition is Repenting from Sins....It Sounds Holy and good but is not in the Gospel.You don't care.....You define a very Specific Gospel and a very specific meaning of “Falling Frim Grace” as anything you want it to be.....

How could we discuss cows if you say cows are birds.....you are not dealing in reality, other than a reality of your own making ....I don’t doubt your sincerity , but that makes it all the worse.....Try to learn the actual meanings of words and phrase.....pretend that they count for something.....then we can have discussions.....not until then....REPENT Of Just throwing stuff out there to see if it will stick....it won’t “ stick” with those that know their Bible....Let me know if you are ever enlightened to understand that “Falling from Grace” means ADDING to the Gospel and understanding it means NOTHING ELSE....yep....words and phrases actually have precise meanings, Believe it or not.....

You are not able to either establish or even recognize "precise meanings" of words.

Tap the brakes, Buddy. You are not a determiner of anything in here. Agree?

 

[BloodBought 1953]

I hope Newbies Read Galatians and realize that these false beliefs and false accusations are pure Fiction....
Don’t take my word for anything.....just read it.....its a very short Book....only 6 chapters.....it could save your Soul ......it’s serious stuff to TEACH a False Gospel Of “Lucky Repentance”.....it will get you “Accursed” — damned by God.....

ADDING to the Gospel is not as bad as Teaching those Additions.....it will make you “ Fall From Grace”..... That may NOT mean Damnation......but then again, many people think that it DOES mean that.....Read the Book—- YOU decide.....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

You are not able to either establish or even recognize "precise meanings" of words.

Tap the brakes, Buddy. You are not a determiner of anything in here. Agree?

No...I can read and I can understand word meanings , as can MOST people that do not have to TWIST Scripture to line up with years of bad, Confused “ teaching” ....Tap your OWN brakes—- “Buddy”

 

[BloodBought 1953]

"The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity, and debauchery; idolatry and sorcery; hatred, discord, jealousy, and rage; rivalries, divisions, factions, and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God." Galatians 5:19-21​

BB, you don't seem to get it that YOU are the one that is fallen from grace, if grace has not changed you. Doing works to earn salvation is not the only way to fall from grace. Rejecting God's grace and returning to your sinful life is also falling from grace. That's why the person who does that won't be saved when Jesus comes back. He has nothing to look forward to but the wrath of God in fiery judgment.

“ GRACE” changes NOBODY.....the Indwelling Spirit Of God does the “ Changing” ......Grace is the Unmerited Favor Of God, Given to Believers that became Believers because they RESTED in the Gospel Found in 1Cor15:1-4......You bandy words about like anything can mean anything....WORDS HAVE MEANINGS ! I hope you don't treat NUMBERS with the same negligence and disregard that you treat Words.....2+2 could equal 5 in your world, if it makes things convenient in a flawed, confused argument...

 

[Jared42]

No...I can read and I can understand word meanings , as can MOST people that do not have to TWIST Scripture to line up with years of bad, Confused “ teaching” ....Tap your OWN brakes—- “Buddy”

Remember, kindness and forgiveness of others is the requirement from God to signify obedience to Him.

Your strident efforts to be "right" at the expense of brotherly love is uncalled for.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

BB, you don't seem to get it that YOU are the one that is fallen from grace, if grace has not changed You.....


“ Grace” , by definition, never changed me...It was the Indwelling Of God’s Holy Spirit that changed me .....Turning to God as a Lost Sinner, crying out for Forgiveness when I escaped the Fool’s Paradise Of Thinking That I was “ OK” and had my eyes opened and finally understanding my Lost , Hell- Bound Condition was what Saved me....in other words, I REPENTED —— I “Changed my Mind” about thinking that although I was not Perfect, I was “ good enough” to make it to Heaven—- HELL was for those guys out at the Penitentiary —- NOT ME!

Because I Repented by Turning to God and NOT making a vow to “stop sinning” ( even as a Neophyte Babe in Christ , I knew better than “that” nonsense ) God Put His Spirit in me and gradually as he TRANSFORMED me from the inside out ( That “Inside Of the Cup” thingy) I was changed from an Atheist to a Believer in Jesus.....I was a drug- taking, drunken , skirt- chasing Bible Rejector who ,after some time passed , became a Man Of Faith who had his nose in the Bible like a man possessed....All those sinful things that seemed to be so “Fun” ,Just kinda fell by the way- side.....for the most part , I did the things that I “ Wanted” to do—— God just changed my “ Wants” ......

I have spoken of these things before......I think Ferris knows of these things,yet he always accuse me of not being a changed man .....for some unknown reason he thinks that I relish Sin....I have said a thousand times that I abhor sin and since The Holy Spirit Transformed me , Sinning has the same appeal as sticking my hand in a fire.....and “ he” accuses “ me” of just hearing what I want to hear.....accuse me of loving sin all you want.....unfortunately , “ that dog won’t hunt”.....