The Bible And Abortion

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Dose the Holy Bible, the Word of God, have anything to say on the important subject of abortion?

Firstly, we need to know what is known by the term “abortion”

“the termination of a pregnancy after, accompanied by, resulting in, or closely followed by the death of the embryo or fetus” (Websters English Dictionary)

A “miscarriage” is defined as:


Council of Trullo (692)

“Those who give drugs for procuring abortion, and those who receive poisons to kill the fœtus, are subjected to the penalty of murder…Whoever gives or receives medicine to produce abortion is a homicide.” (The Canons of the Council in Trullo, Canon XCI)


Great post! I copied it out because you had some ECF statements that I had not seen before.

And these statements accurately reflect the fact that Judaism and Christianity are against abortion.

I personally do not like the term abortion because it desensitizes what is actually going on.

Kill is a more accurate word because the discussion is about killing a baby....and separating a soul from the body of the baby. There is no miraculous or physical event between a baby in the womb and the baby that exits the womb. It is a baby and a person before delivery and after. It is the scenarios that vary.

So then the question is; Are there scenarios that justify killing a baby? I am ex-military, so I know there are situations where you are forced to pick between one life for another. And I understand the authoritative position that makes that choice. But this mostly happens due to medical scenarios.

Now my view on this is not directly stated in the Bible. Although I do not agree on the lord and master position of the husband, but I do agree with the leadership position of the father under some situations. This is one of them, because I think it is wrong and could cause harm to the mother for her to decide to kill her baby. For this reason I believe it is the role of father to make that decision. We cannot see the future and when you pick between one life for another....it could have turned out that both would live. So if the decision turns out to be in error, it is best left to the authoritative role to take that responsibility. Rather than having the mother live with making the decision to kill her baby. This is my opinion and I expect for some to disagree.

Of course I am talking about a medical scenario were the mother's life and or the baby's life are at stake if the pregnancy is not terminated. Whether it be the mother's health is so poor that she cannot support a pregnancy or it is what they call a non-viable pregnancy. But I am not saying that the mother and father should not discuss this. In some scenarios the baby can be taken early and incubated.

Now I know that some Christians do not even believe in contraception....that is a religious choice that I believe is valid. But I believe it is a personal choice. I personally do not have any problems with contraception.

Then you have the scenarios of rape and incest or both....some of this is a matter of time. If it is a matter of days then a hospital trip is in order and a D and C and medication can be taken to terminate the pregnancy.
Still controversial but as far as I am concerned as long as the fetus is not much more than goo, I do not have a problem with it and I believe it is a personal choice. Then past a few days....the heartbeat of an embryo occurs in 5 to 6 weeks. This is always the sticky point. At 5 weeks the pregnancy is viable and your choice is back to killing the baby or not. Women that are raped should always go to the hospital as soon as possible. Incest / rapes can be more complicated but still time is a factor. The men involved with any of these scenarios ....should meet ol' Sparky!

Granted it is an easier decision to say the woman should live with the outcome, whether it be medical, or rape or incest. And it is easier for a man to say that then a woman. And some would say, Trust in the Lord and live with the outcome, no matter what the scenario. Opinions will vary on this. Either way I call it killing not abortion and depending on the justification it is either killing or murder. The bottom line is that over 99% of the killing of unborn babies is done for convenience and that is murder.
 
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Is it true that the Supreme Court is now a majority of Conservatives, who overturned the law?

What happens when the majority is Liberals who support the right of choice, they can again overturn the ban?

As it is the states are passing laws against federal laws on a few topics....even before Row vs Wade was overturned.

The political regaling on these could result with some states succeeding from the union...loss of federal tax to the government.
 

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TEST IT AGAINST THE TRUTH OF GOD . TEST ALL THINGS and see if it agrees or disagrees with the biblical view of what GOD inspired .
LET GOD BE TRUE BUT EVERY MAN A LIAR .
That is not context. That is an attempt to explain what it means.
 

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They all sold out and biden and harris are some of the worst . ITS TIME TO CHOOSE GOD and TRUST IN HE and IN HE ALONE
cause hope or trust in man is futile and vain .


I am no Biden fan just because I despise the Orange Hitler.....

Trump lied- Five Died ....... That is FACT! Biden is flawed, but he does not have blood on his hands...

Yep , five died because a Con- Man/ Buffoon was not MAN enough to admit that he lost a Fair Election....

And people that “think” they are “ Christians” could not care less...

Shame on them
 

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I am no Biden fan just because I despise the Orange Hitler.....
Trump lied- Five Died ....... That is FACT! Biden is flawed, but he does not have blood on his hands...
Yep , five died because a Con- Man/ Buffoon was not MAN enough to admit that he lost a Fair Election....
And people that “think” they are “ Christians” could not care less...
Shame on them

As a Brit I should be neutral about American politics, but I have to say I think Trump is great and I honestly don't know why some people don't like him..:)

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As a Brit I should be neutral about American politics, but I have to say I think Trump is great and I honestly don't know why some people don't like him..:)

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Belief in God does not make one a Christian..... Acknowledging that you are a Sinner that must have a Savior and then Turning to That Savior, Jesus Christ for the Forgiveness Of your Sins is what makes One a Christian....Trump has gone on record as saying that he has never asked for Forgiveness because he has never done anything wrong.....He is as Lost as a man gets....

Fidel Castro also claimed to be a Christian........Trump will join Fidel in Hell someday if he does not get “ Born Again”, by Believing that Jesus died for the sins that he denies committing and by also Believing that Jesus rose from the Dead....Trump might make a remark about God—- let me know if he ever starts talking about Jesus....the “ Jesus” that he does not know....... and yeah, I know that nobody but God can say for certain who is Saved and who is not....but I would bet everything that I own that this man is as Lost as an Eskimo in the Sahara Desert ...Do I need to list his Sins like cheating on three wives or paying to have sex with Porn Stars , Or grabbing women’s private parts, etc? The list is endless and “ by their fruits you shall know them”.....This disgusting man is the “Poster Boy” for Bad Fruit....

He is simply a Con- Man , and those that can’t readily see that he is a Con-Man are the ones that have been Conned ....
 
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Did anyone mention that God, creator of all that is, entered human life as a one celled zygote?.
Doesn't that mean a zygote is considered by God to be a human life with inalienable rights?
 

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..Trump is simply a Con- Man , and those that can’t readily see that he is a Con-Man are the ones that have been Conned ....

Conned how exactly?
Trump ran for President not for money or fame because he already had those, he simply wanted to make America great again, good for him.
By comparison, under Biden and the Dems America is definitely not as great as it could be..;)
 

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“Listen, O coastlands, to Me, And take heed, you peoples from afar! The LORD has called Me from the womb; From the matrix of My mother He has made mention of My name."
Isaiah 49:1

Is it true that the Supreme Court is now a majority of Conservatives, who overturned the law?

What happens when the majority is Liberals who support the right of choice, they can again overturn the ban?
Roe vs. Wade was a court decision which became a legal precedent, but it was never a law. The court overturned the decision, not law.
 

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Belief in God does not make one a Christian..... Acknowledging that you are a Sinner that must have a Savior and then Turning to That Savior, Jesus Christ for the Forgiveness Of your Sins is what makes One a Christian....Trump has gone on record as saying that he has never asked for Forgiveness because he has never done anything wrong.....He is as Lost as a man gets....

Fidel Castro also claimed to be a Christian........Trump will join Fidel in Hell someday if he does not get “ Born Again”, by Believing that Jesus died for the sins that he denies committing and by also Believing that Jesus rose from the Dead....Trump might make a remark about God—- let me know if he ever starts talking about Jesus....the “ Jesus” that he does not know....... and yeah, I know that nobody but God can say for certain who is Saved and who is not....but I would bet everything that I own that this man is as Lost as an Eskimo in the Sahara Desert ...Do I need to list his Sins like cheating on three wives or paying to have sex with Porn Stars , Or grabbing women’s private parts, etc? The list is endless and “ by their fruits you shall know them”.....This disgusting man is the “Poster Boy” for Bad Fruit....

He is simply a Con- Man , and those that can’t readily see that he is a Con-Man are the ones that have been Conned ....
Most all politicians i see are not born again . Neither trump nor biden are even close to being a true christain .
Its time for both sides to see this country aint being led by born again Christains .
 
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I am no Biden fan just because I despise the Orange Hitler.....

Trump lied- Five Died ....... That is FACT! Biden is flawed, but he does not have blood on his hands...

Yep , five died because a Con- Man/ Buffoon was not MAN enough to admit that he lost a Fair Election....

And people that “think” they are “ Christians” could not care less...

Shame on them
And ps , there is no hope in the pope either .
 
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Ideally, States who will allow this, should be mandated to have proof of residence of that state. I'm sure many women will travel to states allowing abortion.

Indeed, im sure a whole slew of border death camps will pop up anywhere where theres enough demand to turn a tidy profit...

How sad that I am forced to subsidize this slaughter by my govt..

Lord, have mercy!

St. Andre Bisette, pray for us!

Pax et Bonum
 

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St Andre Bisette cannot pray for us . Pray TO GOD in JESUS NAME . A world full of darkness , a angry world and nations
are declaring war against God , the Lamb and the saints . And to endure faithful , WE NEED ONLY to PRAY TO GOD in JESUS NAME .
The LORD is our hope and our salvation . Re education and death camps are on the way and let none fear what man can do to us .
This world bad as it is and this one religoin bad as it is , WILL ONLY GET MEGA WORSE and fast .
We , as others before us through all ages , are gonna face betrayals, persecutions and even death .
But remember not only is it appointed unto us to BELEIVE IN CHRIST but also to SUFFER FOR HIS NAME SAKE .
And having no fear of man let us POINT to CHRIST and may souls be saved while we still have time to do so .
For in an hour known not by man and in a day and an hour known not even to the angels , THE GLORIOUS LORD Shall rip
the sky . Let us be busy about the things of the LORD .
 

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but this is not a total ban in every state, so what is awesome about that?
It is not a total ban in any State unless that State decides it should be. Roe v Wade overturned federal jurisdiction over abortion. This upset the Pro aborts because of having to go to one national authority on the subject, they now have to go State by State which means ten times as much work.

Joe Biden, a catholic pro abortionist is doing all he can to get past the roadblocks to abortion and make it easy as possible for women to have their babies murdered.
 
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Thanks for your time to reply in detail

You say, "Life clearly begins at conception", but do we really know at what time does this take place? It seems a grey area in the medical world. Is the "zygote" a "living person"? or, is this when the embroy becomes a "Fetus"? Is there evidence in the Bible on this development?
It takes place at conception.
 

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It is not a total ban in any State unless that State decides it should be. Roe v Wade overturned federal jurisdiction over abortion. This upset the Pro aborts because of having to go to one national authority on the subject, they now have to go State by State which means ten times as much work.

Joe Biden, a catholic pro abortionist is doing all he can to get past the roadblocks to abortion and make it easy as possible for women to have their babies murdered.
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I know I've mentioned this already but I find it very curious that our president has done a 180 on his views of the family unit from where he stood 30 years ago. What happens to a person? Political aims and creeping compromise, I guess.
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St Andre Bisette cannot pray for us . Pray TO GOD in JESUS NAME . A world full of darkness , a angry world and nations
are declaring war against God , the Lamb and the saints . And to endure faithful , WE NEED ONLY to PRAY TO GOD in JESUS NAME .
The LORD is our hope and our salvation . Re education and death camps are on the way and let none fear what man can do to us .
This world bad as it is and this one religoin bad as it is , WILL ONLY GET MEGA WORSE and fast .
We , as others before us through all ages , are gonna face betrayals, persecutions and even death .
But remember not only is it appointed unto us to BELEIVE IN CHRIST but also to SUFFER FOR HIS NAME SAKE .
And having no fear of man let us POINT to CHRIST and may souls be saved while we still have time to do so .
For in an hour known not by man and in a day and an hour known not even to the angels , THE GLORIOUS LORD Shall rip
the sky . Let us be busy about the things of the LORD .
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Hi, Amigo! Long time, no see!

I was watching a cooking competition the other day and a fellow who was waiting to be judged said he was praying to all the saints he could think of that he wouldn't be eliminated. It's very sad.

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I know I've mentioned this already but I find it very curious that our president has done a 180 on his views of the family unit from where he stood 30 years ago. What happens to a person? Political aims and creeping compromise, I guess.
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I know I've mentioned this already but I find it very curious that our president has done a 180 on his views of the family unit from where he stood 30 years ago. What happens to a person? Political aims and creeping compromise, I guess.
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I call it telling the people what they want to hear.
 

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Thanks for your time to reply in detail

You say, "Life clearly begins at conception", but do we really know at what time does this take place? It seems a grey area in the medical world. Is the "zygote" a "living person"? or, is this when the embroy becomes a "Fetus"? Is there evidence in the Bible on this development?
What is more important is that one method of abortion tears the baby limb from limb whilst it is still alive. if that isn't barbaric, I don't know what is.