The Case for Eternal Security

[Dan Clarkston]

They only understood that God said NOT to eat of the tree, and they chose (free will) to eat it.

God held poor little helpless ignorant Adam and Eve responsible for their actions after instructing them to HAVE DOMINION

The fact of the matter is God put Adam in authority and God's Word tells us Eve was deceived but Adam was not.

Adam knew fully well what He was about to do was wrong

1 Timothy 2:14
Adam was not deceived

we have all been made partakers of that, being "born in sin".

So you live in sin then because you believe God made you to be a sinner?

That's what many are falsely taught to believe that they could never stop living in sin because God created them to be sinners to punish them for what Adam did.

 

[Behold]

God held poor little helpless ignorant Adam and Eve responsible for their actions after instructing them to HAVE DOMINION

Having dominion, has nothing to do with why Adam chose to disobey God's command.

Adam, ....before He chose to eat of the "tree of the KNOWLEDGE OF good and evil"..........didnt have that knowledge.
So, when Adam decided to disobey God, = he was using his freewill and the consequences of that choice caused him to enter into spiritual separation from God, and Adam's body eventually died.

When Adam tasted of the "tree of the Knowledge of good and evil", he was enlighted to KNOW "good vs evil" and that is the "conscience".
That is when Adam's begain.

The fact of the matter is God put Adam in authority and God's Word tells us Eve was deceived but Adam was not.

Again, .

Adam's dominion is not related to why Adam chose to disobey God, which created a literal and spiriual end result that ruined everything for us all.
The 2nd Adam, has offered to restore any and all sinners back into eternal spiritual UNION with God., by virtue of The Cross of Christ.

Adam knew fully well what He was about to do was wrong

1 Timothy 2:14
Adam was not deceived

Yes, Adam knew He was doing what God told Him NOT to do.
He knew He was willfully breaking God's command.......but what He didn't know was what would happen to His mind and His spirit and His body and his future and his life, once He ate of "the Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil".

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Adam knew He was doing what God told Him NOT to do.

Thank you for acknowledging that Adam was not ignorant about what he was about to do.

Therefore he knew he was doing evil, which is doing something in opposition to the Lord.

If Adam did not know he was doing evil, then God is unjust for holding him accountable for his actions.

That's obviously not the case because God is not unjust and can never be unjust

 

[Behold]

Thank you for acknowledging that Adam was not ignorant about what he was about to do.

In my first post to you i told you that God held Adam accountable for His Choice to disobey God's command.
So, for Adam to make the free will choice, proves that Adam made it, knowingly.
He KNEW he as disobeying God's command.

Adam was told....>"do not eat of the Tree of the Knowledge of good and Evil".
Adam understood this......and DECIDED to use his Free Will, to disobey.

Therefore he knew he was doing evil, which is doing something in opposition to the Lord.

Adam had no understanding of EVIL, until he gained a conscience.....and that came as the enlightenment that is the result of investigating the "Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil".
Till then, He was free from this knowledge............but once he gained it, by taking the knowledge from this Tree, then his conscience, or the "knowledge of good and evil" now existed in Him and in Eve.
Its why we have it.

If Adam did not know he was doing evil, then God is unjust for holding him accountable for his actions.

The "action" that Adam was held accountable for, was to disobey God's ONE command.
God told Adam, .. "Do not eat of the Tree of the knowledge of Good and evil".....and Adam choose to do it.
This caused the fall of us all.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

In my first post to you

And you have been speculating ever since.

Thanks for sharing your opinion on the mater.

Adam knew what he was doing was in opposition to the Lord so he knew he was doing evil.

That wraps up today's lesson on Adam's high treason against God.

 

[Behold]

And you have been speculating ever since.

I never speculate.
I just post Paul's Theology.

Thanks for sharing your opinion on the mater.

Whenever a Hebrews 6:1 can't stand to be shown some truth, they always want to pretend that the other is "posting opinions"

Actually the problem is you.
You are not capalbe of learning right now, because to do that you have to be willing.

Adam knew what he was doing was in opposition to the Lord so he knew he was doing evil.

Well, God was there, and Adam and Eve were there, according to Genesis.

God told them not to do something, and SHE was tempted to do it, by Satan, and Adam chose it.

After they ate of the Tree "Of the Knowledge of Good and Evil" that they didnt have yet.........they soon discovered that what they now had a conscience.......and that is the knowledge of good and evil.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

I never speculate.

Keep telling yourself that, and you can continue to falsely believe everything you say is perfection

Sit cross legged, light some incense, smoke a little ganga, and chant over and over "my word is perfection... my word is perfection... my word is perfection"
Thanks for the comedy entertainment, it's really hilarious

 

[Behold]

Keep telling yourself that, and you can continue to falsely believe everything you say is perfection View attachment 63081

I teach Pauline Theology.

Google it, and find out what you've never learned, that explains why you can't understand what you should have learned, long ago.

I mean, if a person reads... "do not eat of the Tree of the KNOWLEDGE of good and evil" and can't comprhend that if you had it already, it would not matter if you ate it............then that person is "young minded" and "theologically waiting to start".

That's a fact.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

I teach Pauline Theology

Then you should heed the warning the Lord gave thru Paul and acknowledge the whole counsel of God

1 Timothy 6:3-5
If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

Here Paul is acknowledging the Word of the Lord Jesus Christ and slams those who reject the Lord's teachings telling believers to withdraw themselves from such false teachers

That's a fact.

That's speculation based on opinions not backed by the whole counsel of God.

Cherry pickers do this as we see quite often as they speak in behalf of the devil and don't even know it

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

Do you break the fourth commandment? The Sabbath.

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Tenacious. ;)

You're trying to teach a false teacher to stop trying to mislead people.
Have you noticed how long they've been here? Been at it?

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Do you break the fourth commandment? The Sabbath.

Do you even know what the Sabbath is under the New Covenant?

Hint, it's much more than just deciding to have church on Saturday

 

[St. SteVen]

Do you even know what the Sabbath is under the New Covenant?

Hint, it's much more than just deciding to have church on Saturday

Why would the Sabbath be under the New Covenant?
We are not under the law.

Galatians 3:23-25 NIV
Before the coming of this faith,[a] we were held in custody under the law,
locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed.
24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith.
25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

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[Dan Clarkston]

Why would the Sabbath is under the New Covenant?
We are not under the law.

I never said it was.

Your 7th Day Adventitious friends think it is though and claim people go to hell for not having church on Saturdays