The " catching up " rapture must be so very very close!!

[ewq1938]

Yes, Jesus did ascend from the Mt of Olives.

Nope. They were close but not on the Mt.

Luk 24:50 And he led them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them.
Luk 24:51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.
Luk 24:52 And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy :

Here we see that they went to Bethany and he ascended there, which is a mile from the Mount of Olives and about 2 miles from Jerusalem. They left Bethany and returned to Jerusalem having to cross the Mt of Olives on their way back.

 

[Douggg]

Nope. They were close but not on the Mt.

Luk 24:50 And he led them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them.
Luk 24:51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.
Luk 24:52 And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy :

Here we see that they went to Bethany and he ascended there, which is a mile from the Mount of Olives and about 2 miles from Jerusalem. They left Bethany and returned to Jerusalem having to cross the Mt of Olives on their way back.

Acts 1, indicates from the Mt. of Olive the apostles returned to Jerusalem. So it appears they walked together as far Bethany, where they ascended the Mt. of Olives from the east side, from where they last saw Him. Luke 24:50-52 does not have the detalis of the two angels appearing to the apostles right after Jesus ascended to heaven like it does in Acts 1.

 

[rebuilder 454]

No, Jesus didn't say His coming would be before a flood. You are ADDING to that Scripture, something Jesus warned against in Rev.22.


Nope. Jesus showed His coming to gather His saints is "Immediately after the tribulation of those days..." per the Matthew 24:29-31 Scripture. Now with that Scripture, you are instead TAKING AWAY from God's Word, which Jesus also warned against in Rev.22.


You could... do that, that is, if you don't mind Jesus' curse He warned those who do such as that will suffer...

Rev 22:18-19
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
KJV

I don't think you understand the danger of the game you are playing.

Lol
You did what all erroneous doctrine does

You attempted to void verses instead of reconciling them.
News flash....attempting to make verses irrelevant is indeed flirting with rev curse

Oh the irony of invoking a curse on me for reporting what is written.
You can not and will not honestly unpack those 2 verses.

QUOTE
"""Nope. Jesus showed His coming to gather His saints is "Immediately after the tribulation of those days..." per the Matthew 24:29-31 Scripture. Now with that Scripture, you are instead TAKING AWAY from God's Word, which Jesus also warned against in Rev.22."""

Psssst...everyone agrees he returns postrib.
You have proved absolutely nothing at all.
It appears you are totally oblivious to what the actual debate is.
You are oblivious that i and others have DESTROYED your error that there is only one coming.
You sit in ashes and defend an impossibility, then curse others like some loose cannon.
You really hate people don't you?

 

[rebuilder 454]

No, Jesus didn't say His coming would be before a flood. You are ADDING to that Scripture, something Jesus warned against in Rev.22.


Nope. Jesus showed His coming to gather His saints is "Immediately after the tribulation of those days..." per the Matthew 24:29-31 Scripture. Now with that Scripture, you are instead TAKING AWAY from God's Word, which Jesus also warned against in Rev.22.


You could... do that, that is, if you don't mind Jesus' curse He warned those who do such as that will suffer...

Rev 22:18-19
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
KJV

I don't think you understand the danger of the game you are playing.

YOU just like looking foolish?????

I have 100% destroyed your entire deal in 2 verses that YOU NEED CHANGED, AND ARE ATTEMPTING TO CHANGE THEM.
GAME
SET
MATCH.
Pull out any curse you want.
My bible says an undeserved curse can not find rest.
Like Haman and Israel.
Your cursed on the body of Christ automatically goes right back to you.
You know ...the one actually changing rev 14:14 and mat 24;38

 

[Davy]

Like manner is not the same as like place. Jesus did not ascend from the Mt of Olives anyways.

Actually per Acts 1, Lord Jesus did... ascend from the Mount of Olives...

Acts 1:9-12
9 And when He had spoken these things, while they beheld, He was taken up; and a cloud received Him out of their sight.

10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

11 Which also said, "Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, Which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen Him go into heaven."

12 Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.
KJV

Suggesting His disciples only went as far as Bethany when Jesus blessed them still does not mean He didn't continue on to the Mount of Olives where He actually ascended from. If we try and change His ascent to a different spot other than the Mount of Olives, then it creates as false the Zechariah 14 declaration of His future return to the Mount of Olives.

 

[ewq1938]

Acts 1, indicates from the Mt. of Olive the apostles returned to Jerusalem.

The scripture says he was in Bethany when he ascended, and other scripture that the disciples went to Jerusalem crossing over the Mt of Olives. Bethany is where the ascension took place.

 

[Douggg]

The scripture says he was in Bethany when he ascended, and other scripture that the disciples went to Jerusalem crossing over the Mt of Olives. Bethany is where the ascension took place.

The kjv does not say that Jesus was in Bethany when He ascended. And don't you think that the villagers in Bethany would have witnessed it as well ? And the two angels, they would have witnessed seeing as well?


It takes combining what is in Luke 24 and what is in Acts 1 to get the full picture. It does not say they actually entered Bethany, where they would have attracted a crowd.

Bethany is on the back side of the Mt. of Olives (relative to the temple mount).

https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.FVfvjF7EEdmuJu8z7dBn-wAAAA?rs=1&pid=ImgDetMain

So what appears to have happened is that they walked together heading toward Bethany, and when they got close, they went up the Mt. Olives where they had overnighted each day (Luke 22:39) during the week Jesus was crucified. OLIVES IN THE BIBLE And from the Mt. Olives, Jesus ascended to heaven.

50 And he led them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them .

51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.

52 And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy :

 

[ewq1938]

The kjv does not say that Jesus was in Bethany when He ascended.

It does present them in Bethany, Christ blessing the disciples and then ascending. Bethany is the only choice of location.

And don't you think that the villagers in Bethany would have witnessed it as well ? And the two angels, they would have witnessed seeing as well?

That is irrelevant as to where he was when he ascended.

It takes combining what is in Luke 24 and what is in Acts 1 to get the full picture. It does not say they actually entered Bethany, where they would have attracted a crowd.

Bethany is on the back side of the Mt. of Olives (relative to the temple mount).

No, it is not located on the Mt at all. It's actually on another hill/Mt if you look at the map posted.

https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.FVfvjF7EEdmuJu8z7dBn-wAAAA?rs=1&pid=ImgDetMain

So what appears to have happened is that they walked together heading toward Bethany, and when they got close, they went up the Mt. Olives where they had overnighted each day (Luke 22:39) during the week Jesus was crucified. OLIVES IN THE BIBLE And from the Mt. Olives, Jesus ascended to heaven.

50 And he led them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them .

51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.

52 And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy :

The verses identify Bethany as the place where this happened.

 

[Douggg]

It does present them in Bethany, Christ blessing the disciples and then ascending. Bethany is the only choice of location.

That is irrelevant as to where he was when he ascended.

No, it is not located on the Mt at all. It's actually on another hill/Mt if you look at the map posted.

The verses identify Bethany as the place where this happened.

You do agree that Jesus returns to stand on the Mt of Olives and not in Bethany, yes ?

 

[ewq1938]

You do agree that Jesus returns to stand on the Mt of Olives and not in Bethany, yes ?

Assuming he returns to the place he ascended from is not biblical, so no, I don't think he returns to Bethany but that is where he ascended from. I also don't believe the OT scripture about the Mt splitting in half is something Jerus does and I don't see it happening in the end times. The NT only speaks of Jesus being on Mt Zion.

 

[Douggg]

also don't believe the OT scripture about the Mt splitting in half is something Jerus does and I don't see it happening in the end times. The NT only speaks of Jesus being on Mt Zion.

Really ? You don't believe that Zechariah 14 is about Jesus's return ?

 

[ewq1938]

Really ? You don't believe that Zechariah 14 is about Jesus's return ?

Of course not. Nothing there matches what we know about the events of the second coming.

 

[Douggg]

Of course not. Nothing there matches what we know about the events of the second coming.

The gathering of all nations against Jerusalem to battle is not a match to Armageddon to you ?

And afterward in verse 9 is not a reference to Jesus to you ?

Zechariah 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

 

[Timtofly]

Of course not. Nothing there matches what we know about the events of the second coming.

Because you have the wrong Second Coming. Revelation 19 is not the Second Coming, any more than Revelation 20:11 is the Second Coming per Amil.

Nothing about Revelation 19 matches up with the Second Coming found anywhere else in Scripture.

Riding on white horses, whether symbolic or literal is not describing the Second Coming. This does indicate a royal procession of an entire empire, taking back control of the earth after Satan's 42 month empire is collapsing, because that empire was only given 42 months to exist. This procession is a return of the 7th Kingdom, that took a 3.5 year hiatus on Mount Zion and the sea of glass.

The other point is that the 144k are among those in Revelation 19, as they come from mount zion with Jesus. They have already been sealed at the Second Coming in the 6th Seal. They cannot be both riding on horses and sealed on the earth at the same time. Therefore Revelation 19 does not fulfill the Second Coming, because nothing about the chapter agrees with any Second Coming reference in Scripture, including Zechariah 14.

 

[Cassandra]

Well, the Bible says of the Second Coming that the righteous meet with the Lord in the air...

13 Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. 14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.i Thess 4:13-18


It is after when the Holy City comes down, that He will return to touch the earth.

 

[Cassandra]

Jesus will be present on the new earth following the Great White Throne Judgment.

On this present earth, Jesus will be present when He Returns at His Second Coming to it.

His Second Coming to this present earth is Matthew 24:30. Also in Ezekiel 39:21-29. Also in Zechariah 14, as He will stand on the Mt. of Olives. The same place that Jesus was seen by the disciples leaving this present earth, and told by two angels He would return in like manner as He left in Acts 1:9-12.

The verse is clear meet the Lord in the air...
13 Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. 14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.

 

[Cassandra]

The antichrist will be a part of "Lo, he is here or there. (the desert, etc) The latter day deception is very great. But we know that our Jesus 2nd coming will be a visible and audible event, when He comes for his saints. His feet will not touch the ground.

 

[Timtofly]

The gathering of all nations against Jerusalem to battle is not a match to Armageddon to you ?

And afterward in verse 9 is not a reference to Jesus to you ?

Zechariah 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

Zechariah 14 is the 6th Seal. Zechariah 14 sketches a broad over all view of the Day of the Lord, but leaves out many details. Details that Revelation has to fill in, not even covered by Jesus in the NT.

Armageddon is not the Gog-Magog event. And Revelation 20 is not Ezekiel's Gog-Magog event. Ezekiel is still leading up to the Second Coming. Zechariah 14 shows the Second Coming, however neither one describe the 42 month empire of Satan that has to happen between the Second Coming and the Day of the Lord.

Even Jesus in Matthew 13 and Matthew 25 gives us events between the Second Coming and the details of Revelation 19. Jesus never mentions Revelation 19 and the events describing white horses coming to the battle of Armageddon. Not even Paul gives us those details. Only John much later after that generation had passed, gives us details no one, including the OT prophets had foretold. No one even clarified a thousand year period in their writings, even though Peter told us that was the length of the Day of the Lord. People still today don't accept that point. Why would any one comprehend that point 2,000 years ago? No one in the NT prepared us that it would be 2,000 years until the Second Coming. We can only look back, and say, "wow, it seems like yesterday".

Do you interpret Daniel 12:7 as being 3500 years?

"And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished."

Did they know that fact in the NT, but were not allowed to explicitly write that, so they talked about days, when they meant millennia? Did Peter think we would be ignorant, and warned us not to be? Do you think this means only 3.5 years?

I have tried to point out that after the Second Coming in the 6th Seal, current political nations will not even be relevant. Not even Satan can be that prepared as to keep nations in tack after the 6th Seal. That is why there is a new 10 regions set up in the aftermath. Kingdoms will not carry over, but people in each region will have to learn how to get along with each other. The Day of the Lord is part of all that is to be finished. Several events have to be worked through prior to the full effect of the Day of the Lord.

 

[Douggg]

The verse is clear meet the Lord in the air...
13 Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. 14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.

Yes, that verse will happen.

 

[Douggg]

Do you interpret Daniel 12:7 as being 3500 years?

No, approximately 3 1/2 years.

The time/times/half time in Daniel 12:7 is the same time/times/half time in Daniel 7:25 and in Revelation 12:14.


Gog/Magog event, then the two halves of the 7 years (of Daniel 9:27, Ezekiel 39:9-10). What begins the 7 years will be a big speech by the Antichrist, following the Gog/Magog event, from the temple mount, confirming the M.t Sinai covenant that God gave the land of Israel to the children of Israel as theirs, forever.

first half
1260 days, Revelation 11:3, Revelation 12:6

(in the) second half
3 1/2 days, Revelation 11:9-11
42 months, Revelation 13:5, Revelation 12:2
time/times/half time, Daniel 7:25, Daniel 12:7, Revelation 12:14