The Church decided the canon. How do you know you have the correct canon?

[Taken]

What IS the “right / correct / trusted cannon”?

The Words, The Teaching, The Beliefs, The Acts, that Which Glorify the Lord God Almighty.

IF….(for examples)
One BELIEVES…Ones ACTS…
* stealing from one to give to another
* stealing from others for their gain
* bowing to, kissing statues
* supposed buying salvation
* conjuring spirits of the dead
* blah, blah, that which NEVER is Taught IN Gods Teaching “IS” Good…”IS” Glorifying unto to God…
IS not a mystery, IS not a secret, “such things” ARE NOT “approved” by, through, of the Lord God Almighty.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Marymog]

The 'church' did not form the bible.
That is no formal organisation sat down and debated what formed the bible.
Rather there was agreement among church leaders of the requirements that every book had to meet to be considered as part of the bible.

There are plenty of books and web site or blogs that discuss this a basic one is coldcasechristianity.

Hey Windmill Charge,

Who were the church leaders that agreed on the requirements of every book? When did they meet?

Curious Mary

 

[rebuilder 454]

Those that don't accept that the Lord Jesus personally oversaw what God wants mankind to kn ow to be put in written form via the Holy Ghost... will continue to be deceived by the devil that creates enmity between themselves and the Lord because they don't accept what the Lord has said thru His Word... this please the devil because it's an open door for doctrines of demons to be accepted by such individuals.






No, because the true Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ leads people in to ALL Truth (John 16:13) according to Jesus Who also said God's Word is Truth (John 17:17)

I know not what spirit you are of as I don't fellowship with spirits that are not of the Lord and I follow them not.






Yes and God's Word also teaches we should not follow doctrines of demons such as rejecting God putting His Word in written form and it containing all the God wants man to know, along with the demonic claim that God left the Word of God incomplete because God is absent mind and forgets stuff sometime and totally forgot to put important stuff His people should be aware of in His Word View attachment 63725







Yeah, satan loves to use emotions to try and convince people they have connected with God all because they got goose bumps.






Hilarious... only those who are legends in their own mind who reject God's Word going by emotions... claim those going by God's Word are committing the unpardonable sin.

Gas light others all you want pal, that demonic garbage works not on me View attachment 63727







When the false brethren reject God's Word... they stand accused of being the false brethren that they are.

The Lord warned about this in His Word... that the false brethren reject because they have been deceived by demons that God's Word is not.... God's Word. View attachment 63728

1 Timothy 4:1,2
Now the Spirit speaks expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron

2 Timothy 4:3,4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine (teaching); but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.






Ha ha, those were the enemies of Jesus that were falling BACKWARDS!

Thank you for making my point! View attachment 63729

Maybe one day you will figure out the evil of accusing others that are enjoying the privileges of heaven.
Am I like you?
Not by miles.
Am I of the devil?
According to you, yes.

I just shake my head at the pharisees deception.
Nothing has changed.
Wherever God's power is found, pharisees spirit is always there.
You waste your time telling people in a crystal clear river to come swim in your muddy waters.
We are not impressed.
If you are happy accusing the brethren for not being in your powerless doctrine , then you just identified the spirit operating in you.

What a quagmire.

 

[One 2 question]

The Church decided the canon. How do you know you have the correct canon?​

“The Church” IS Headed, WAS Organized, Established, Made…
Of, By, Through, For, Christ the Lord Jesus…

“The Church” Membership WAS / IS Presented and Offered to manKIND to Hear, Learn, Freely Join…
Of, By, Through, For, Christ the Lord Jesus.

“The Members” (so freely adjoined together), ARE beacons IN the World, OF they “IN” Christ, Testaments STANDING “IN” Agreement “WITH” Christ Jesus…
OF the Fullness Subjection…OF:
Belief, Trust, Faith, Worship exclusively “UNTO” the Lord God Almighty…
“exclusively” FOR….HIS SUPREME GLORY, HIS ETERNAL INHERITANCE;
IN Heaven AND ON Earth.

Glory to God,
Taken

So God did ask someone in the church to create a bible? Who was that? The church is made up of individual members who are directed by the Spirit of God.

Again which individual received a command from Jesus to create the first bible? Peter, Paul, Aquilla, Apollos, Josephus, Marcion?

 

[rebuilder 454]

Those that don't accept that the Lord Jesus personally oversaw what God wants mankind to kn ow to be put in written form via the Holy Ghost... will continue to be deceived by the devil that creates enmity between themselves and the Lord because they don't accept what the Lord has said thru His Word... this please the devil because it's an open door for doctrines of demons to be accepted by such individuals.






No, because the true Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ leads people in to ALL Truth (John 16:13) according to Jesus Who also said God's Word is Truth (John 17:17)

I know not what spirit you are of as I don't fellowship with spirits that are not of the Lord and I follow them not.






Yes and God's Word also teaches we should not follow doctrines of demons such as rejecting God putting His Word in written form and it containing all the God wants man to know, along with the demonic claim that God left the Word of God incomplete because God is absent mind and forgets stuff sometime and totally forgot to put important stuff His people should be aware of in His Word View attachment 63725







Yeah, satan loves to use emotions to try and convince people they have connected with God all because they got goose bumps.






Hilarious... only those who are legends in their own mind who reject God's Word going by emotions... claim those going by God's Word are committing the unpardonable sin.

Gas light others all you want pal, that demonic garbage works not on me View attachment 63727







When the false brethren reject God's Word... they stand accused of being the false brethren that they are.

The Lord warned about this in His Word... that the false brethren reject because they have been deceived by demons that God's Word is not.... God's Word. View attachment 63728

1 Timothy 4:1,2
Now the Spirit speaks expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron

2 Timothy 4:3,4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine (teaching); but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.






Ha ha, those were the enemies of Jesus that were falling BACKWARDS!

Thank you for making my point! View attachment 63729

Just tell the truth.
The truth is Paul did not get your memo or your permission to act within your silly doctrine that would dictate how he should fall.
But you are unaware that THE STORY OF PAUL KNOCKED DOWN , is the depiction of an enemy of God being knocked down like your example of the soldiers falling down at Jesus arrest.

So what do you do now?
Your special falling down protocol is now broken by you yourself?

You know the Holy Spirit engineered protection of truth in the bible.
False teachers and those troubling other denominations get humbled by the word of God.
Ahem...the book they claim to champion as heaven laughs at them.

 

[Taken]

So God did ask someone in the church to create a bible? Who was that? The church is made up of individual members who are directed by the Spirit of God.

Again which individual received a command from Jesus to create the first bible? Peter, Paul, Aquilla, Apollos, Josephus, Marcion?

The First directed to Write Accounts was a directive given from God to Moses…and why.

Ex 17:
[14] And the LORD said unto Moses, Write this for a memorial in a book, and rehearse it in the ears of Joshua: for I will utterly put out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven.

 

[One 2 question]

The First directed to Write Accounts was a directive given from God to Moses…and why.

Ex 17:
[14] And the LORD said unto Moses, Write this for a memorial in a book, and rehearse it in the ears of Joshua: for I will utterly put out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven.

Sure. And Moses did as HE was instructed.

But who receved a directive from the Lord God to collect other writings, along with Moses, and make a book of certain books?

 

[Taken]

Sure. And Moses did as HE was instructed.

But who receved a directive from the Lord God to collect other writings, along with Moses, and make a book of certain books?

Oral speech and the Writing thereof was exampled by The Word of God and Finger of God in stone Tablets…directed to Moses and men to do the Same and make copies and distribute amongst the People at large.
Positive Laws, Penalty (Negative Curse Laws,), Traditions, Feast days, Remembrance days, Consequences, Records of Deeds, Transactions, promises, covenants, Statutes, Precepts, on and on …Ancient History and Carried forth unto this day.

Scripture is FULL of Knowledge any man can Read, Follow, step by step, to learn HOW to establish a Forever Relationship WITH God…
OR
establish a Forever Relationship AGAINST and WITHOUT God.

 

[PGS11]

The point is more understanding Christianity it doesn't need to be complex or the amount of books in the different bibles.Salvation is found by faith in the death and resurrection of Christ which all Christians believe or I hope they do..That is our faith.You become more knowledgeable to spread the faith but not all are called to do so or have the time.You not going to be judged by what bible you read or how much you know - faith in and understanding of Jesus sacrifice is required and forgiveness of your sins.

That is our hope/faith that Jesus was raised up by his sacrifice and we too can be raised up in Christ also or we will all know death.Jesus offers life eternal life.Faith in the death and resurrection of Christ.

 

[shepherdsword]

Yet I ask a simple question. Who did God specifically ask to form a biblical canon.

No one. The decision was based on the desire to determine what is inspired and what is not. There were numerous false writings in circulation so an intense vetting process was devises to determine authenticity.

When did God say to close it and to whom did He command it?

The canon was closed when there were no longer writings that could endure the vetting process.

We've already established the fact that God does contradict what He writes with what He says.

God wrote (with His own finger), do not kill (cut in pieces, murder).

God said to Joshua, kill (cut in pieces with the sword) all men, women, children and animals.

There is a difference between kill and murder:

רָצַח (ratzach) — Strong’s H7523
Meaning: to murder, slay, kill (unlawfully, intentionally, or with malice)

This word does not refer to all killing, but specifically to:

• Premeditated murder
• Intentional homicide
• Unlawful killing

It is not the same word used for:

• Killing in war
• Capital punishment
• Accidental killing
• Animal sacrifice

The Hebrew word most commonly used in God's instructions to Joshua (and earlier to Moses) regarding the Canaanites is:

הַכֵּה (hakkēh) – from the root נָכָה (nākhāh), meaning “to strike,” “to smite,” or “to kill.”

In many cases, it's paired with:

הַחֲרֵם (hacharēm) – from the root חָרַם (chāram), which means “to devote to destruction” or “to utterly destroy.”

 

[BreadOfLife]

Sure. And Moses did as HE was instructed.

But who receved a directive from the Lord God to collect other writings, along with Moses, and make a book of certain books?

The Holy Spirit inspired certain mem to write down His Word.

He led His Church - to whom Hr gave supreme earthly Authority (Matt. 16:18, 18:15-15, Luke 10:16, John 16:12-15, John 20:21-23) to select which writings were inspired.
This happened in the 4th century.

The Synod of Rome (382) is where the canon was first formally identified – ALL 73 (not 66) Books.
- 11 years after that, it was confirmed at the Synod of Hippo (393).
- 4 years later, at the Council (or Synod) of Carthage (397), it was yet again confirmed. The bishops wrote at the end of their document, "But let Church beyond sea (Rome) be consulted about confirming this canon". There were 44 bishops, including St. Augustine who signed the document.
- 7 years later, in 405, in a letter from Pope Innocent I to Exsuperius, Bishop of Toulouse, he reiterated the canon.
- 14 years after that, at the 2nd Council (Synod) of Carthage (419) the canon was again formally confirmed.

The Canon of Scripture was officially closed at the Council of Trent in the 16th century because of the perversions happening within Protestantism and the random editing and deleting of books from the Canon.

That's the long and short of it . . .

 

[Behold]

The Holy Spirit inspired certain mem to write down His Word.

Yes.

The exact names of the actual authors of the bible, are found in the bible.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Yes.

The exact names of the actual authors of the bible, are found in the bible.

Yes - although I would refer to them as "scribes".
God is the Author of Scriptue . . .

 

[Behold]

Yes - although I would refer to them as "scribes".
God is the Author of Scriptue . . .

Well, within the NT, there are the Apostle's words, and how they found their way into a NT, does not change the original authorship.

People will argue....>"well, its all copies of copies, as the Apostle's Original Letters, have long ago turned into dust."

A.) True.

However, that argument, is not cognizant of Almighty God who inspired those Apostle's "texts", is the same One who will "preserve his word forever".

 

[BreadOfLife]

Well, within the NT, there are the Apostle's words, and how they found their way into a NT, does not change the original authorship.

People will argue....>"well, its all copies of copies, as the Apostle's Original Letters, have long ago turned into dust."

A.) True.

However, that argument, is not cognizant of Almighty God who inspired those Apostle's "texts", is the same One who will "preserve his word forever".

Yup - through His Church.

 

[One 2 question]

Well, within the NT, there are the Apostle's words, and how they found their way into a NT, does not change the original authorship.

People will argue....>"well, its all copies of copies, as the Apostle's Original Letters, have long ago turned into dust."

A.) True.

However, that argument, is not cognizant of Almighty God who inspired those Apostle's "texts", is the same One who will "preserve his word forever".

And it is the Spirit of the same One Who is continuing to communicate His ongoing new revelations of truth throughout the life of the Church, from the first members to the last. And God is capable of preserving all this, His word, forever.

 

[Behold]

And it is the Spirit of the same One Who is continuing to communicate His ongoing new revelations of truth throughout the life of the Church, from the

Nearly ...Every Heretic who has created a false religion...... or false "chiristian book or commentary" or False Youtube Video, or False online "christian site'...

These...

MaryCult
JW
Mormon
Mary Baker Eddie
Islam

ECT.....

Says....."ive received a NEW revelation by the Spirit or by an angel, and its not found in the Bible'.

Others just twist the words in the Bible to create something False they teach.


Remember that. @One 2 question

And God is capable of preserving all this, His word, forever.

God's word is the Holy Bible.
And just to show you that "all things are possible with God", except that He does not change and can't sin.......is that He literally used a group of Gnostic heretics.....who eventually created the MaryCult.......to create what we have as the Bible "canon"......

Paul teaches.... that God even uses "the foolishness of Preaching to save the Lost". (those who believe the Gospel).

 

[One 2 question]

Oral speech and the Writing thereof was exampled by The Word of God and Finger of God in stone Tablets…directed to Moses and men to do the Same and make copies and distribute amongst the People at large.
Positive Laws, Penalty (Negative Curse Laws,), Traditions, Feast days, Remembrance days, Consequences, Records of Deeds, Transactions, promises, covenants, Statutes, Precepts, on and on …Ancient History and Carried forth unto this day.

Scripture is FULL of Knowledge any man can Read, Follow, step by step, to learn HOW to establish a Forever Relationship WITH God…
OR
establish a Forever Relationship AGAINST and WITHOUT God.

But just for the purpose of clarification, are you refering to 'the word of God' as God's communication with humans in a written form. That's judging by your reference to finger of God in stone.

Yet you mentioned oral speech. Is that of God to humans. Or human to human? Who's doing the speaking?

I guess now, unlike prior to the Spirit coming into the Church, every member, every sheep hears the Head's/Shepherd's voice directly. With no need for a human 'hireling' or 'insert' between the Head and His body.

 

[One 2 question]

My

Nearly ...Every Heretic who has created a false religion...... or false "chiristian book or commentary" or False Youtube Video, or False online "christian site'...

These...

MaryCult
JW
Mormon
Mary Baker Eddie
Islam

ECT.....

Says....."ive received a NEW revelation by the Spirit or by an angel, and its not found in the Bible'.

Others just twist the words in the Bible to create something False they teach.


Remember that. @One 2 question




God's word is the Holy Bible.
And just to show you that "all things are possible with God", except that He does not change and can't sin.......is that He literally used a group of Gnostic heretics.....who eventually created the MaryCult.......to create what we have as the Bible "canon"......

Paul teaches.... that God even uses "the foolishness of Preaching to save the Lost". (those who believe the Gospel).

My ongoing engagement is for the Church, those chosen out from the world, to enjoy the union with the Spirit of Christ. To hear Him, to speak to Him Who was sent to us from Jesus and His Father.

To thanks Him for coming into us. Praise Him for the work He does in us and through us. And worship Him, for He is God and worthy of our thanks, praise and worship.

 

[One 2 question]

God's word is the Holy Bible.

God's words can be found in the pages of the bibles. Sure. But it is found wherever God speaks to angels and humans. In the heavenlies or in this material creation.

I will never restrict God's word, EVERY word that proceeds from the mouth of God.

Can you hear what He is saying to His Son Jesus right now? What about what God is saying to angels now? Or members of the church in Minnesota right now?

God never stops speaking my friend. This is truly awesome! Those who have ears to hear, let him or her hear what God is saying to them directly from heaven.