The Church decided the canon. How do you know you have the correct canon?

[BreadOfLife]

Nearly ...Every Heretic who has created a false religion...... or false "chiristian book or commentary" or False Youtube Video, or False online "christian site'...

These...

MaryCult
JW
Mormon
Mary Baker Eddie
Islam

ECT.....

Says....."ive received a NEW revelation by the Spirit or by an angel, and its not found in the Bible'.

Others just twist the words in the Bible to create something False they teach.


Remember that. @One 2 question




God's word is the Holy Bible.
And just to show you that "all things are possible with God", except that He does not change and can't sin.......is that He literally used a group of Gnostic heretics.....who eventually created the MaryCult.......to create what we have as the Bible "canon"......

Paul teaches.... that God even uses "the foolishness of Preaching to save the Lost". (those who believe the Gospel).

The Bible is certainly PART of the God's Word - along wirh what He has revealed to His Church.
Remember - the Bible came out of the Church - not the other way around . . .

Luke 10:16
Whoever listens to YOU listens to ME. Whoever rejects YOU rejects ME. And whoever rejects ME rejects the ONE who sent ME."

Matt 16:16-19; 18:15-18
WHATEVER YOU BIND on earth shall be bound in heaven; and WHATEVER YOU LOOSE on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

 

[Dash RipRock]

the Bible came out of the Church - not the other way around . . .

That would be the Body of Christ, not the catholics

 

[BreadOfLife]

That would be the Body of Christ, not the catholics

You can TRY to argue that point ALL day long - but history is not on your side . . .

 

[Dash RipRock]

You can TRY to argue that point ALL day long - but history is not on your side . . .

You're referring to the fake history coming from the fake catholic narrative

Romans 3:2 - because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

This is referring to the Jews, not the goofy catholics!

 

[BreadOfLife]

You're referring to the fake history coming from the fake catholic narrative

You can deny history all you want. However, you can't erase the documents written by the Apostolic Fathers such as Clement of Rome, Ignatius of Antioch and Polycap of Smyrna, ALL of whon were disciples of the Apostles.

Romans 3:2 - because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

This is referring to the Jews, not the goofy catholics!

And this has absolutely nothing to do with that fact that the Cathoic Church existed in the first century.

 

[Dash RipRock]

you can't erase the documents written by the Apostolic Fathers such as Clement of Rome, Ignatius of Antioch and Polycap of Smyrna, ALL of whon were disciples of the Apostles.

And none of these guys taught false catholic doctrine such as praying to the dead or purgatory

And this has absolutely nothing to do with that fact that the Cathoic Church existed in the first century.

It does however have everything to do with the original church never taught things the catholic church teaches after they became corrupt.

Paul told us how this happened:

Acts 20:29, 30
For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

This is when all the false doctrine came in that is taught by catholics today

I feel sorry for you people, I really do.

 

[BreadOfLife]

And none of these guys taught false catholic doctrine such as praying to the dead or purgatory

Oh, they certainly taught about the Catholic Church, its doctrines and beliefs . . .

Ignatius of Antioch
Follow your bishop, every one of you, as obediently as Jesus Christ followed the Father. Obey your clergy too as you would the apostles; give your deacons the same reverence that you would to a command of God. Make sure that no step affecting the Church is ever taken by anyone without the bishop’s sanction. The sole Eucharist you should consider valid is one that is celebrated by the bishop himself, or by some person authorized by him. Where the bishop is to be seen, there let all his people be; just as, wherever Jesus Christ is present, there is the Catholic Church (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 110]).

Ignatius of Antioch
Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God. . . . They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which that Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes (Letter to the Smyrnaeans 6:2-7:1 [A.D. 110]).

The Martyrdom of Polycarp
When finally he concluded his prayer, after remembering all who had at any time come his way – small folk and great folk, distinguished and undistinguished, and the whole Catholic Church throughout the world – the time for departure came. So they placed him on an ass, and brought him into the city on a great Sabbath (The Martyrdom

It does however have everything to do with the original church never taught things the catholic church teaches after they became corrupt.

Paul told us how this happened:

Acts 20:29, 30
For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

This is when all the false doctrine came in that is taught by catholics today

I feel sorry for you people, I really do.

And if you knew ANYTHING about Scripture OR history – you would know that Paul is referring to Gnostic heretics, as he did in other Epistles (1 Tim. 4:2-4).

Do your homework . . .

 

[Dash RipRock]

Oh, they certainly taught about the Catholic Church, its doctrines and beliefs . . .

That makes them false teachers then who had departed from the Word of the Lord

Too bad for them where they ended up for not being led by the Holy Spirit. Really sad.

 

[Dash RipRock]

Do your homework . . .

I did and the catholics came up short.

That's too bad.

 

[BreadOfLife]

That makes them false teachers then who had departed from the Word of the Lord

Too bad for them where they ended up for not being led by the Holy Spirit. Really sad.

And too bad for YOU for having th audacity to judge a person's soul.
Only GOD has that power. Good luck with that . . .

I did and the catholics came up short.

That's too bad.

You had to deny history to come to that conclusion.
I provided documentation - YOU provided nothing but denial . . .

 

[Dash RipRock]

I provided documentation

More like catholic fantasy!

So can a person make it to Heaven if they are NOT a catholic?

 

[BreadOfLife]

More like catholic fantasy!

No - just solid historical evidence . . .

So can a person make it to Heaven if they are NOT a catholic?

Yes, a person who is invicubly ignorant or not fully aware CAN be saved (Matt. 25:14-15, Luke 12:48, John 9:41) - but it doesn't mean he WILL be.

This does NOT apply, however, to those who openly reject the truth . . .

 

[Dash RipRock]

a person who is invicubly ignorant or not fully aware CAN be saved

OK so you claim only cathartics are intelligent and people can be saved with out being one so no need to be one.

You people crack me up! :)

 

[BreadOfLife]

OK so you claim only cathartics are intelligent and people can be saved with out being one so no need to be one.

You people crack me up! :)

That's NOT what I said at all.
No wonder you're so confused . . .

 

[Dash RipRock]

No wonder you're so confused . . .

I'm not confused at all concerning God's Word being the only source of Truth which is what Jesus said.

The confusion is what the cults out there are teaching who stand in opposition to the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I'm not confused at all concerning God's Word being the only source of Truth which is what Jesus said.

The confusion is what the cults out there are teaching who stand in opposition to the Lord Jesus Christ.

Well, you ARE confused because Jesus NEVER said that the Bible was the "only" source of Truth.
God's Word is alive in His Church . . .

Luke 10:16
Whoever listens to YOU listens to ME. Whoever rejects YOU rejects ME. And whoever rejects ME rejects the ONE who sent ME."

 

[Dash RipRock]

Well, you ARE confused

 

[Ronald Nolette]

We've already established the fact that God does contradict what He writes with what He says.

God wrote (with His own finger), do not kill (cut in pieces, murder).

God said to Joshua, kill (cut in pieces with the sword) all men, women, children and animals.

I'm not suggesting that God is changing the New Testament.

I don't believe God actually specifically told anyone to organise a compilation of scrolls to make available to the church.

Are you familiar with anyone having claimed hearing this instruction or command from God?

God does not contradict. The commands He gave are valid. And it is not kill, but commit murder. And going to war was not violating the command.

God can destroy any and all people He chooses- He is God, you are not.

And if you do nhot believe the bible is the infallible Word of God and God inspired the men to compile the 46 OT and 27 NT books as HIs final authority for man to live and get to know HIm properly then you are condemened to live this kind of life:

14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

YOu will be tossed to and fro and carried about. You have no ultimate authority other than your own opinion. And for a person to have that as their final authority is a fools game that always ends dangerously.

I write this not to insult or condemn but to plead with you to allow God to show you the bible is absolute.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Luke 10:16
Whoever listens to YOU listens to ME. Whoever rejects YOU rejects ME. And whoever rejects ME rejects the ONE who sent ME."

He was talking to and about the original apostles, who were taught by Jesus directly and then went to live and write the Bible!

Not some RCCpope who makes the bull unnum sanctum of makes ex-cathedra statements that are so false! Nor pass on secret oral traditions that have no validity other than the Romanists say so.

 

[One 2 question]

He was talking to and about the original apostles, who were taught by Jesus directly and then went to live and write the Bible!

You have a good there. It wasn't to the original 12 apostles, but spoken to 70 others.

Luk 10:1 After these things the Lord appointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come.
Therefore said he unto them, The harvest truly is great, but the labourers are few: pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he would send forth labourers into his harvest.
Go your ways......

Not some RCCpope who makes the bull unnum sanctum of makes ex-cathedra statements that are so false! Nor pass on secret oral traditions that have no validity other than the Romanists say so.

What about the apostles after these, like Paul? And all the apostles that have been of the church appointed by the Spirit of Christ?

Are we going to dare test Jesus who comes to the door of the church and knocks. He sent and was rejected by His own people. They did not accept Him and His teaching.

Are we going to reject the One He sent to His people, His body, His church, His sheep? I did that for far too long. I am learning to accept the Spirit of the Creator, the Holy Ghost.

The false prophets will always be around, but let's not throw out the Holy Spirit with the holy water.