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YES!!
As Adams bride was drawn out of His side close to his heart, so the Bride of Christ came out of His side from close to His heart.
THE CHURCH DID NOT START AT PENTECOST
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YES!!
As Adams bride was drawn out of His side close to his heart, so the Bride of Christ came out of His side from close to His heart.
I am saying that the body of Christ has the heavenly places, the believing Jews get the earth......but all things are gathered together in Christ at the end.
Yes, but also to all the churches, in the tribulation. The gospel of the kingdom will be preached during this time and all that believe will enter the kingdom (Matthew 24:14). The remnant of Israel will rule over the nations with Christ in the thousand year kingdom on earth.
The Antichrist and his cohorts will be reigning during the great tribulation; not the church.
I said:
"Yes, but also to all the churches, in the tribulation. The gospel of the kingdom will be preached during this time and all that believe will enter the kingdom (Matthew 24:14). The remnant of Israel will rule over the nations with Christ in the thousand year kingdom on earth."
When I said "Yes, but also to all the churches, in the tribulation", what i was saying was, is that what was promised Thyatira in Revelation 2:26, was a promise made to all the churches facing the tribulation.
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Not all in Thyatira will go into the great tribulation; only those who commit adultery with the Jezebel of Thyatira.
However, all the overcomers in Thyatira will rule the nations with a rod of iron.
I'm not sure what point I am making by this; but I thought that I would mention it because it is a scriptural fact.
However, all the overcomers in Thyatira will rule the nations with a rod of iron.
I'm not sure what point I am making by this; but I thought that I would mention it because it is a scriptural fact.
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Who said it had no power?
When Jesus sent out the 12 (Lk 9:1) they had power:
Then Jesus called the twelve together and gave them power and authority over all demons and to cure diseases
Similarly with the 70 (Lk 10 17&19).
The seventy returned with joy, saying, “Lord, in your name even the demons submit to us!” .......See, I have given you authority to tread on snakes and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy; and nothing will hurt you.
You are in denial of scripture.
Jesus gave the 12 and the 70 authority and power. That's what scripture says.
Okay; however Jesus also said to the disciples that they would receive power (that they did not have previously) when the Holy Ghost would come upon them, in Acts of the Apostles 1:8.
The Spirit may have indeed come upon the 12 and the 70; since when Jesus released the Holy Ghost to the Father in eternity (Luke 23:46), the Spirit ascended to be outside of time (Ephesians 4:10).
Therefore He may have been even able to descend back into the time that Jesus was on earth and fill the 12 and the 70.
Was not John the Baptist filled with the Holy Ghost simultaneous to Jesus' walking the earth?
Now the church that would receive power when the Holy ghost came upon them was very likely not the original 70; although it may have been. There were 120 in that upper room. Perhaps the Holy Ghost came upon 50 of them for the very first time; and to the rest it was a refilling.
I believe that it was Charles Spurgeon who was asked why he always asked to be filled with the Holy Spirit; wasn't he already filled? His answer, "I leak."
Why not?
Because the birthday of the church was at Pentecost as the very first sinners to hear the very first message of repentance and water baptism, at the very first time the Holy Ghost was poured out on mankind en mass, and 3000 added to this group.
Prior to this...nothing happened to any group of disciples.
After Acts 2, everything became relevant to the disciples.
The RCC(Catholics), Baptists, Church of Christ etc, think the church began in some place prior to Pentecost but cannot explain where it is, lest they admit they skipped Acts themselves.
Because RCC (or Roman Catholic Church) was a pejorative name for the Catholic Church invented by Protestants at the Reformation.
It's politer to call a Church by the name it calls itself - in this case Catholic Church..
It's full name is the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church but hat is normally shortened to Catholic Church.
Jesus called the 12 leaders (apostles) of the Church 3 years before Pentecost. The basic structure was formed.
Just before his ascension Jesus commissioned them to go out and preach the gospel.
One of the 12 had betrayed Jesus and killed himself. The structure had to be repaired and they chose a replacement (Matthias).
All this was before Pentecost. By the day of Pentecost the Church was up and running.
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and then Constantine subverted It into the Cult of Sol Invictus, right, what we all pretty much believe is "Christianity" today
Please give the particular passage you see the church in operation prior to Pentecost.
No, the Catholic Church cannot separate itself from Rome, thus it is and always will be the RCC. Rome runs it as we speak.
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