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The coming Jewish revival

Discussion in 'Eschatology & Prophecy Forum' started by Eric E Stahl, May 31, 2013.

  1. Retrobyter

    Retrobyter Well-Known Member

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    Shalom, veteran.

    I think that we're mostly on the same page with all this, except you seem to see that group of "unbelieving children of the Kingdom" as permanently locked out for the duration of the Millennium. I believe it is much more flexible than that. Furthermore, I don't think the group of unbelieving children of the Kingdom is as big as you do. These are the baniym beli'`al (sons of Belial) that I've talked about before. How many Jews have you talked to recently? If you'd just TALK to them, I think you'd find that they were FAR more godly than you seem to think they are. Perhaps, the knowledgeable rabbis and the ancients - those of Yeshua`s day - rejected their Messiah for all the wrong reasons and are truly baniym beli'`al, but today, they reject Him for all the STUPID reasons. They reject Him because it is traditional to do so; they reject Him because they are told to do so; they reject Him for fear, not wanting to be ostracized by their family and community and friends; they reject Him because of how His "followers" (falsely self-identified) - the "Christians" - have frequently treated the Jews down through history; but ultimately they reject Him BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW HIM! That's the CHRISTIANS' fault!

    Romans 11:28-32

    28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
    29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
    30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
    31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
    32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
    KJV

    And, you seem really to have a terrible hang-up with statements like, "...what your Jewish brethren from Judaism say with relying on The Old Testament prophets only that they often misinterpret." As Yeshua` told Sha'uwl, "It is hard for thee to kick against the pricks (the ox-goads)," you, too, are balking against the cattle prod of a truth that you find distasteful (for SOME reason I don't know). The truth is that there ARE Jewish roots to the faith you hold, and much of the Scriptures was written by the Isra'elis, about the Isra'elis, to the Isra'elis, and prophecies will be fulfilled primarily FOR the Isra'elis!

    THAT'S OKAY TO ACCEPT! EMBRACE that truth; quit kicking against it!
     
  2. Eric E Stahl

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    To All,

    [SIZE=16pt](((As we come to the end of the tribulation most of the men will have died. In the kingdom 7 women will marry one man.)))[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=16pt]Isaiah 3:24-26, 4:1-4[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=10pt]24[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt] And it shall come to pass, that instead of sweet smell there shall be stink; and instead of a girdle a rent; and instead of well set hair baldness; and instead of a stomacher a girding of sackcloth; and burning instead of beauty. [/SIZE]
    [SIZE=10pt]25[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt] Thy men shall fall by the sword, and thy mighty in the war. [/SIZE]
    [SIZE=10pt]26[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt] And her gates shall lament and mourn; and she being desolate shall sit upon the ground. [/SIZE]
    [SIZE=10pt]1[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt] And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.[/SIZE]
    2 In that day shall the branch of the LORD be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth shall be excellent and comely for them that are escaped of Israel.

    [SIZE=16pt](((Only the holy Jews will survive when God judges them.)))[/SIZE]

    3 And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem:
    4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning.
     
  3. veteran

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    Retrobyter said:

    "I think that we're mostly on the same page with all this, except you seem to see that group of "unbelieving children of the Kingdom" as permanently locked out for the duration of the Millennium. I believe it is much more flexible than that. Furthermore, I don't think the group of unbelieving children of the Kingdom is as big as you do. These are the baniym beli'`al (sons of Belial) that I've talked about before."

    I don't think we are anywhere close to being on the same page on these things. You want to think that unbelieving Israel today will automatically be brought into Christ's fold when He comes when that is totally opposite of what God's Word teaches. You got that from your Jewish brethren who listen to the "tares" that rule the religiion of Phariseeic Judaism. I've been over the Ezekiel 44 Scripture which gives the distinctions I've been talking about on this matter, and you still... show you haven't even looked at it! I also pointed you at one time to Christ's warning to the women weepers in Luke 23 about the blessed are the barren metaphor He gave them from Isaiah. You have not looked at that either it's obvious.





    That's where your Phariseeism is coming out. It was the Pharisees who sought to be looked up to as if they were godly and separate when Jesus called them whited sepulchres full of dead men's bones. True Christians don't go trying to compare their holiness with the holiness of other brethren! God is Who sees what we do and how we think in our hearts, and He is Who we are to seek to please and respect, but not even one us will ever come close to His Glory. Humbleness in Faith and seeking to do right like He said is the key, not seeing how holy you can appear to others for that's vanity.




    Of course there's various reasons why different peoples reject Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ. The unbelieving Jews are not privy to that experience. But they are privy to history of being a chosen nation by God, and you'd think they would want... to know more about what He said in His Word instead of just choosing the easy way with following men's traditions outside God's Word which they allow to be put over them instead! What it shows is they care more about the getting and living of this world than listening to The LORD directly in His Word. All this applies likewise to all other peoples too that reject Christ Jesus.




    That is a very dangerous path with that kind of statement above. It definitely is NOT Christianity's fault that unbelieving Jews reject Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ! A Phariseeic Jew in vanity would make that kind of ignorant statement. Apostle Paul revealed one of the reasons why many Jews reject Jesus because God Himself blinded them (Rom.11:7-8). The elect of Israel believed and the rest were blinded.

    It's that blindness upon Israel in part that still is in effect today, and will remain in effect all the way up to Christ's second coming when He will appear to all peoples on earth. That's when that blindness will be removed, and is why they will seek to hide from Christ at His coming and will wish for the hills and mountains to fall upon them out of shame. They will then fully understood Who they refused and followed instead.

    The part about who they follow instead is what will cause their separation from Christ during His future Milennium reign on earth. Do you think Jesus will be happy with them when He returns to discover they did not remain barren virgins waiting for Him? Who do you think they will bow in worship to in Christ's place instead? That's the part you need to study about more in God's Word just to begin... to understand what I've been saying. You are very, very lacking in that specific Bible topic and instead follow something else.




    You're only showing how much you worship 'your own brethren' more than our Heavenly Father through His Son with that kind of speech.

    Those who adhere to Phariseeic Judaism are still... blinded away from much of God's Truth in His Word, even as Apostle Paul so declared (2 Cor.3:13-16).


    Oh come on now, surely you can do better than that. Must you Jews always apply a FLESHY MIND to every idea written in God's Word??? Sometimes you guys are no better than the Muslim thinking of 70 virgins promised for doing suicide in the name of Allah!


    Isa 4:1-2
    1 And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, "We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach."
    2 In that day shall the branch of the LORD be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth shall be excellent and comely for them that are escaped of Israel.
    (KJV)


    The idea is about Christ's elect servants; that's who those "seven women" there represent. Have you never heard of the "garments of salvation" (Isa.61:10)? Or Jesus telling His Church in Rev.16:15 to remain on watch and keep their "garments"?

    His elect eating their own bread and wearing their own apparel is put in contrast to... the food and apparel of the Wicked One. The whole Message of that is about His elect servants remaining... faithful to Him. They are the branch of The LORD, His elect, even as the number seven often represents spiritual completeness in God's Word.
     
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    Shalom, veteran.

     
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    You have the same Testimony at your fingertips as do the rest of us, recorded for all to see, read, and hear, from within the Gospel accounts. Likewise from there it is said that every one who is of the truth hears the voice of the Master. Is it therefore possible that the Master Yeshua has a name that even the Father does not know? Absolutely negative. :)
     
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    As you wish, bro'. But, you are denying clear Scripture in your claim that thinking that "unbelieving Israel today will automatically be brought into Christ's fold when He comes ... is totally opposite of what God's Word teaches." Are you using a pen-knife to cut out those Scriptures from your version of "God's Word," or are you just rebelliously denying them? Either way, you're not being wise. Simply substitute "Messiah's fold" for "Christ's fold," and it should begin to make sense to you. The words ARE the same, y'know, just two different languages: Hebrew: Mashiach --> Messiah; Greek: Christos --> Christ. He was Isra'el's Mashiach BEFORE He was Christians' "Christ!" And, you are FAILING MISERABLY interpreting what I said: I'm not saying that "unbelieving Isra'el today will automatically be brought into the Messiah's fold"; I'm saying that unbelieving Isra'el today IS BEING brought into the Messiah's fold TODAY and is becoming believing Isra'el! (We call them "Messianic Jews.") Furthermore, when He comes they, unbelieving Isra'el, then will automatically become believing Isra'el!

    Unbelieving Israel will be cut off until the restoration under Christ at the END... of His future thousand years reign. Just as the unbelieving Gentiles must be tested by Lucifer one final time at the end of Christ's Milennium, likewise with the unbelieving of Israel. They will both be in the same boat in Christ's Milennium, or didn't you understand what Jesus said that I quoted?

    Matt 8:11-12
    11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
    12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
    (KJV)

    Matt 7:21-23
    21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
    22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
    23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
    (KJV)



    That makes all your vain attempts at FLESH worship fall to the dung where it belongs.
     
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    Retrobyter Well-Known Member

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    Shalom, veteran.

    Y'know, you're a nasty, little, old man. As I said, Matthew 8:11-12 is talking about PARTICULAR "children of the Kingdom," but YOU should notice that they are still called "children of the Kingdom!"

    Secondly, Matthew 7:21-23 is talking about ANYONE, Jew OR GENTILE, who prophesies, exorcises, or performs miracles without getting to KNOW HIM FIRST, thinking that the deed is good enough!

    Get a grip, bro' (if you ARE a bro')! There's no call to be mean-spirited in your answers ... or EXCUSE!
     
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    The Matthew 8:11-12 passage taken in its context, and taken as the clear emphatic statement that it is, clearly concerns only the true sons of the kingdom. The word translated "children" in some translations is "huios" which clearly means "a son" (and in this case a son of the Kingdom). This passage therefore cannot apply to anyone who is not to become a son of the Kingdom; rather, the statement only applies to those who would become the true sons of the kingdom, (each in his or her own appointed times).

    Matthew 8:11-12 ASV
    11. And I say unto you, that many shall come from the east and the west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven:
    12. but the sons of the kingdom shall be cast forth into the outer darkness: there shall be the weeping and the gnashing of teeth.


    Therefore every true son of the Kingdom must first be cast forth into the outer darkness; and yes, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. If one is not cast forth into the outer darkness then the same is not a true son of the Kingdom but rather an infidel imposter. :)
     
  9. Eric E Stahl

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    Remember!

    Zechariah 13:7-9
    7 Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.

    8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD,

    two parts therein shall be cut off and die;

    but the third shall be left therein.

    9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.
     
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    Don't matter what YOU want to call them. They are CAST OUT like Jesus showed there. You don't like what Jesus said there??

    TAKE IT UP WITH HIM!
     
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    Unbelievers are not "sons of the Kingdom" in the doctrine of Yeshua. :)
     
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    No special meaning behind the phrase "children of the kingdom" except in the sense of God having first chosen the children of Israel to be a special people unto Himself. Did they measure up to that per Bible history? Nope! Many of them were 'cut off' because of unbelief long ago, and likewise at Christ's second coming, which is what Jesus was saying there! It's crazy to even attempt to think otherwise.
     
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    If you overcome in your appointed time so as to become "a son" then you will no more think in such ways as you do here and now. In fact, if indeed you do become a son of the Kingdom, (being truly born from above) then you will never again say that there is "No special meaning" when it comes to anything that the Master has stated because you will understand what it means that the Father spoke through the Son. Right now the Word to you is "dead" and you are here to prove yourself by your own interpretations, from your own imagination, which makes you the mighty one speaking from and of yourself. However in that day this old you will be no more and the Word will be alive through you, and in you, and you in him, and one with the Father. In the Spirit everything is in opposition to the world of the flesh man. I pray that you one day see it because then you will truly be a son of the Kingdom. :)
     
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    Shalom, veteran.

    Ho hum... I'm just fine with what Yeshua` said there. It's YOUR INTERPRETATION of what He said with which I have a problem.
     
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    It's not my interpretation you're having the problem with, it is His Word...

    Matt 8:11-12
    11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
    12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
    (KJV)
     
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    Retrobyter Well-Known Member

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    Shabbat shalom, veteran.

    Yet, you reject other things that the Messiah said and Paul, too.


    Matt 9:9-13
    9 And as Jesus passed forth from thence, he saw a man, named Matthew, sitting at the receipt of custom: and he saith unto him, Follow me. And he arose, and followed him.
    10 And it came to pass, as Jesus sat at meat in the house, behold, many publicans and sinners came and sat down with him and his disciples.
    11 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners?
    12 But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.
    13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
    KJV

    Matt 9:36-38
    36 But when he saw the multitudes, he was moved with compassion on them, because they fainted, and were scattered abroad, as sheep having no shepherd.
    37 Then saith he unto his disciples, The harvest truly is plenteous, but the labourers are few;
    38 Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth labourers into his harvest.
    KJV

    Matt 10:1-10
    1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.
    2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;
    3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;
    4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.
    5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
    6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
    7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
    8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
    9 Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,
    10 Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.
    KJV

    Matt 11:16-25
    16 But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows,
    17 And saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned unto you, and ye have not lamented.
    18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil.
    19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.
    20 Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, because they repented not:
    21 Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.
    22 But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, than for you.
    23 And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.
    24 But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.
    25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
    KJV

    Matt 12:1-14
    1 At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat.
    2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
    3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
    4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
    5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
    6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
    7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
    8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
    9 And when he was departed thence, he went into their synagogue:
    10 And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.
    11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
    12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
    13 Then saith he to the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it forth; and it was restored whole, like as the other.
    14 Then the Pharisees went out, and held a council against him, how they might destroy him.
    KJV

    Matt 12:15-21
    15 But when Jesus knew it, he withdrew himself from thence: and great multitudes followed him, and he healed them all;
    16 And charged them that they should not make him known:
    17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying,
    18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.
    19 He shall not strive, nor cry; neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets.
    20 A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory.
    21 And in his name shall the Gentiles trust.
    KJV

    Matt 14:14-18
    14 And Jesus went forth, and saw a great multitude, and was moved with compassion toward them, and he healed their sick.
    15 And when it was evening, his disciples came to him, saying, This is a desert place, and the time is now past; send the multitude away, that they may go into the villages, and buy themselves victuals.
    16 But Jesus said unto them, They need not depart; give ye them to eat.
    17 And they say unto him, We have here but five loaves, and two fishes.
    18 He said, Bring them hither to me.
    KJV

    Matt 15:1-21
    1 Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,
    2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
    3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
    4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
    5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
    6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
    7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
    8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
    9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
    10 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:
    11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
    12 Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?
    13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.
    14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
    15 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Declare unto us this parable.
    16 And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?
    17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
    18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
    19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
    20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.
    21 Then Jesus went thence, and departed into the coasts of Tyre and Sidon.
    KJV

    Matt 15:22-28
    22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
    23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
    24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
    25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
    26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
    27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
    28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.
    KJV

    Matt 15:30-34
    30 And great multitudes came unto him, having with them those that were lame, blind, dumb, maimed, and many others, and cast them down at Jesus' feet; and he healed them:
    31 Insomuch that the multitude wondered, when they saw the dumb to speak, the maimed to be whole, the lame to walk, and the blind to see: and they glorified the God of Israel.
    32 Then Jesus called his disciples unto him, and said, I have compassion on the multitude, because they continue with me now three days, and have nothing to eat: and I will not send them away fasting, lest they faint in the way.
    33 And his disciples say unto him, Whence should we have so much bread in the wilderness, as to fill so great a multitude?
    34 And Jesus saith unto them, How many loaves have ye? And they said, Seven, and a few little fishes.
    KJV

    Matt 16:6-12
    6 Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.
    7 And they reasoned among themselves, saying, It is because we have taken no bread.
    8 Which when Jesus perceived, he said unto them, O ye of little faith, why reason ye among yourselves, because ye have brought no bread?
    9 Do ye not yet understand, neither remember the five loaves of the five thousand, and how many baskets ye took up?
    10 Neither the seven loaves of the four thousand, and how many baskets ye took up?
    11 How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees?
    12 Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.
    KJV

    Matt 19:27-20:16
    27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?
    28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
    29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.
    30 But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.
    20:1 For the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which went out early in the morning to hire labourers into his vineyard.
    2 And when he had agreed with the labourers for a penny a day, he sent them into his vineyard.
    3 And he went out about the third hour, and saw others standing idle in the marketplace,
    4 And said unto them; Go ye also into the vineyard, and whatsoever is right I will give you. And they went their way.
    5 Again he went out about the sixth and ninth hour, and did likewise.
    6 And about the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing idle, and saith unto them, Why stand ye here all the day idle?
    7 They say unto him, Because no man hath hired us. He saith unto them, Go ye also into the vineyard; and whatsoever is right, that shall ye receive.
    8 So when even was come, the lord of the vineyard saith unto his steward, Call the labourers, and give them their hire, beginning from the last unto the first.
    9 And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny.
    10 But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny.
    11 And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house,
    12 Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day.
    13 But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny?
    14 Take that thine is, and go thy way: I will give unto this last, even as unto thee.
    15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?
    16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.
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    Matt 20:29-34
    29 And as they departed from Jericho, a great multitude followed him.
    30 And, behold, two blind men sitting by the way side, when they heard that Jesus passed by, cried out, saying, Have mercy on us, O Lord, thou Son of David.
    31 And the multitude rebuked them, because they should hold their peace: but they cried the more, saying, Have mercy on us, O Lord, thou Son of David.
    32 And Jesus stood still, and called them, and said, What will ye that I shall do unto you?
    33 They say unto him, Lord, that our eyes may be opened.
    34 So Jesus had compassion on them, and touched their eyes: and immediately their eyes received sight, and they followed him.
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    Matt 21:1-11
    1 And when they drew nigh unto Jerusalem, and were come to Bethphage, unto the mount of Olives, then sent Jesus two disciples,
    2 Saying unto them, Go into the village over against you, and straightway ye shall find an ass tied, and a colt with her: loose them, and bring them unto me.
    3 And if any man say ought unto you, ye shall say, The Lord hath need of them; and straightway he will send them.
    4 All this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying,
    5 Tell ye the daughter of Sion, Behold, thy King cometh unto thee, meek, and sitting upon an ass, and a colt the foal of an ass.
    6 And the disciples went, and did as Jesus commanded them,
    7 And brought the ass, and the colt, and put on them their clothes, and they set him thereon.
    8 And a very great multitude spread their garments in the way; others cut down branches from the trees, and strawed them in the way.
    9 And the multitudes that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the Son of David: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest.
    10 And when he was come into Jerusalem, all the city was moved, saying, Who is this?
    11 And the multitude said, This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee.
    KJV

    All of these verses (and so, SO many more) have a couple of things in common, although at first glance they may seem to be disjoint:

    First, they are ALL (with the exception of the Canaanite woman) talking about Isra'elites!!! Second, despite the relatively small group of P'rushiym (Pharisees), there were GREAT MULTITUDES or LARGE CROWDS OF PEOPLE, all of whom were Isra'elites who came to Yeshua` for their needs to be met! They understood that HE was the Messiah to be King! And, the one thing they were taught since childhood was that "the hands of the King are the hands of a healer!"


    Isaiah 35:1-10
    1 The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose.
    2 It shall blossom abundantly, and rejoice even with joy and singing: the glory of Lebanon shall be given unto it, the excellency of Carmel and Sharon, they shall see the glory of the Lord, and the excellency of our God.
    3 Strengthen ye the weak hands, and confirm the feeble knees.
    4 Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you.
    5 Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened, and the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped.
    6 Then shall the lame man leap as an hart, and the tongue of the dumb sing: for in the wilderness shall waters break out, and streams in the desert.
    7 And the parched ground shall become a pool, and the thirsty land springs of water: in the habitation of dragons, where each lay, shall be grass with reeds and rushes.
    8 And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, though fools, shall not err therein.
    9 No lion shall be there, nor any ravenous beast shall go up thereon, it shall not be found there; but the redeemed shall walk there:
    10 And the ransomed of the Lord shall return, and come to Zion with songs and everlasting joy upon their heads: they shall obtain joy and gladness, and sorrow and sighing shall flee away.
    KJV



    Isaiah 41:15-20
    15 Behold, I will make thee a new sharp threshing instrument having teeth: thou shalt thresh the mountains, and beat them small, and shalt make the hills as chaff.
    16 Thou shalt fan them, and the wind shall carry them away, and the whirlwind shall scatter them: and thou shalt rejoice in the Lord, and shalt glory in the Holy One of Israel.
    17 When the poor and needy seek water, and there is none, and their tongue faileth for thirst, I the Lord will hear them, I the God of Israel will not forsake them.
    18 I will open rivers in high places, and fountains in the midst of the valleys: I will make the wilderness a pool of water, and the dry land springs of water.
    19 I will plant in the wilderness the cedar, the shittah tree, and the myrtle, and the oil tree; I will set in the desert the fir tree, and the pine, and the box tree together:
    20 That they may see, and know, and consider, and understand together, that the hand of the Lord hath done this, and the Holy One of Israel hath created it.
    KJV

    Isaiah 42:1-24:2
    42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
    2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street.
    3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.
    4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.
    5 Thus saith God the Lord, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
    6 I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
    7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
    8 I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
    9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.
    10 Sing unto the Lord a new song, and his praise from the end of the earth, ye that go down to the sea, and all that is therein; the isles, and the inhabitants thereof.
    11 Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar doth inhabit: let the inhabitants of the rock sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains.
    12 Let them give glory unto the Lord, and declare his praise in the islands.
    13 The Lord shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies.
    14 I have long time holden my peace; I have been still, and refrained myself: now will I cry like a travailing woman; I will destroy and devour at once.
    15 I will make waste mountains and hills, and dry up all their herbs; and I will make the rivers islands, and I will dry up the pools.
    16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.
    17 They shall be turned back, they shall be greatly ashamed, that trust in graven images, that say to the molten images, Ye are our gods.
    18 Hear, ye deaf; and look, ye blind, that ye may see.
    19 Who is blind, but my servant? or deaf, as my messenger that I sent? who is blind as he that is perfect, and blind as the Lord's servant?
    20 Seeing many things, but thou observest not; opening the ears, but he heareth not.
    21 The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.
    22 But this is a people robbed and spoiled; they are all of them snared in holes, and they are hid in prison houses: they are for a prey, and none delivereth; for a spoil, and none saith, Restore.
    23 Who among you will give ear to this? who will hearken and hear for the time to come?
    24 Who gave Jacob for a spoil, and Israel to the robbers? did not the Lord, he against whom we have sinned? for they would not walk in his ways, neither were they obedient unto his law.
    25 Therefore he hath poured upon him the fury of his anger, and the strength of battle: and it hath set him on fire round about, yet he knew not; and it burned him, yet he laid it not to heart.
    43:1 But now thus saith the Lord that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine.
    2 When thou passest through the waters, I will be with thee; and through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee: when thou walkest through the fire, thou shalt not be burned; neither shall the flame kindle upon thee.
    KJV

    Isaiah 61:1-9
    1 The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
    2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
    3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the Lord, that he might be glorified.
    4 And they shall build the old wastes, they shall raise up the former desolations, and they shall repair the waste cities, the desolations of many generations.
    5 And strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the alien shall be your plowmen and your vinedressers.
    6 But ye shall be named the Priests of the Lord: men shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves.
    7 For your shame ye shall have double; and for confusion they shall rejoice in their portion: therefore in their land they shall possess the double: everlasting joy shall be unto them.
    8 For I the Lord love judgment, I hate robbery for burnt offering; and I will direct their work in truth, and I will make an everlasting covenant with them.
    9 And their seed shall be known among the Gentiles, and their offspring among the people: all that see them shall acknowledge them, that they are the seed which the Lord hath blessed.
    KJV


    Now, in light of these Scriptures, tell me that Isra'el doesn't have a place in both God's heart and in God's Kingdom!
     
  17. Trumpeter

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    Shabbat shalom, Retro,

    Amen, preach it brother.

    God bless.
     
  18. veteran

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    I don't reject anything my Lord Jesus or His Apostles said. It's you that's trying to twist their words to fit your faith in the false doctrines of Judaism. That's been your whole purpose here, to push doctrines of Judaism and elitism of your brotherhood cult.
     
  19. Retrobyter

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    Shalom, veteran.

    Nah, no twisting necessary; I just read what was written and accept it at face value, and ... yes ... that means literally, physically, and concretely.

    I don't have a "brotherhood cult," but I suspect that YOU do. I don't push "doctrines of Judaism and elitism," either. You just need to OPEN YOUR EYES to the FACT that Yeshua` was/is a JEW! He was sent to the house of Isra'el, and salvation (rescue) is OF THE JEWS! He was declared the "King of the Jews" at both His birth and His death (whether the P'rushiym liked it or not)! God said that anyone who touched one of the Isra'elites touched the apple (pupil) of His eye, and the New Covenant was made with the houses of Isra'el and Y'hudah, according to Yirmeyahu (Jeremiah). All the promises and the prophecies and even the Messiah Himself were given to the children of Isra'el! I don't even know how you can read the Scriptures without seeing it!

    Take a deep breath, have yourself a good cry, and discard you anti-Semitic ways! Repent and EMBRACE YOUR JEWISH HERITAGE! "I will bless him that blesses thee and curse him that curses thee; and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed!"
     
  20. veteran

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    Well, your very first statement is baloney, but you cannot even get past... the Dan.9:27 Scripture and into Dan.11 & 12 which gives more DETAILS about that event of the false one making a league and placing the abomination of desolation for the end of this world.

    And if one cannot get to that part, they certainly can't come to understand Christ's Book of Revelation either, which picks up where Daniel left off giving more details about the end.
     
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