The coming Jewish revival

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Retrobyter

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Shalom, veteran.

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Well, your very first statement is baloney, but you cannot even get past... the Dan.9:27 Scripture and into Dan.11 & 12 which gives more DETAILS about that event of the false one making a league and placing the abomination of desolation for the end of this world.


And if one cannot get to that part, they certainly can't come to understand Christ's Book of Revelation either, which picks up where Daniel left off giving more details about the end.



Look, Dude, you can't just DUMP all the prophecies into the future arbitrarily! Some of those prophecies have ALREADY BEEN FULFILLED! And, nothing you say can change that! In fact, if you're looking at Dani'el's recording of prophecies, MOST of those prophecies have already been fulfilled! Only the ones that have far-reaching interpretations can be considered to be "not completely fulfilled." Dani'el 2 , for instance, reaches far into the future, as does Dani'el 9. But Dani'el 8, for instance, is fulfilled! The rough goat DID attack the two-horned ram! Greece DID attack Media-Persia! That prophecy is already fulfilled! Dani'el 11, too, is fulfilled prophecy:

Daniel 11:1-45
1 Also I in the first year of Darius the Mede, even I, stood to confirm and to strengthen him.
2 And now will I shew thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia; and the fourth shall be far richer than they all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia.

These are the last four major kings of Persia: After "Darius the Mede," who was either Gobryas, Astyages, or his son, Cyaxaras II, the notable kings of Persia were...
Cambyses II, Gaumata the Magi, Darius I, and Xerxes.

3 And a mighty king shall stand up, that shall rule with great dominion, and do according to his will.

The mighty king was Alexander the Great of Macedonia.

4 And when he shall stand up, his kingdom shall be broken, and shall be divided toward the four winds of heaven; and not to his posterity, nor according to his dominion which he ruled: for his kingdom shall be plucked up, even for others beside those.

When Alexander died and after all the dust settled down, Cassander was king of Greece (W), Lysimachus was king of Asia Minor (N), Seleucus I Nicator was king of Syria, Babylonia, and Persia (E), and Ptolemy I Soter was king of Egypt and the Holy Land (S).

5 And the king of the south shall be strong, and one of his princes; and he shall be strong above him, and have dominion; his dominion shall be a great dominion.

The king of the south by this point is Ptolemy II Philadelphus, and during his reign, the kingdoms were basically down to two major empires, the Seleucid Empire (north of Isra'el) and the Ptolemaic Empire (south of Isra'el). Too much confusion and intrigue was happening in Asia Minor and southern Europe during these years as Rome was beginning to grow from the city-states.

6 And in the end of years they shall join themselves together; for the king's daughter of the south shall come to the king of the north to make an agreement: but she shall not retain the power of the arm; neither shall he stand, nor his arm: but she shall be given up, and they that brought her, and he that begat her, and he that strengthened her in these times.

Ptolemy II's daughter was Berenice, and she was given to be the wife of Antiochus II Theos, the king of the north.

7 But out of a branch of her roots shall one stand up in his estate, which shall come with an army, and shall enter into the fortress of the king of the north, and shall deal against them, and shall prevail:
8 And shall also carry captives into Egypt their gods, with their princes, and with their precious vessels of silver and of gold; and he shall continue more years than the king of the north.

This was accomplished by Berenice's brother, Ptolemy III Euergetes, who was called such because he brought back much gold from the north after defeating Antiochus II.

9 So the king of the south shall come into his kingdom, and shall return into his own land.
10 But his sons shall be stirred up, and shall assemble a multitude of great forces: and one shall certainly come, and overflow, and pass through: then shall he return, and be stirred up, even to his fortress.

This has to do with Seleucus III Ceraunos and Antiochus III the Great who in 223 B.C. went against the Ptolemaic Empire and won the battle. Antiochus III victoriously marched through Judaea on his way home in 219-218 B.C.

11 And the king of the south shall be moved with choler, and shall come forth and fight with him, even with the king of the north: and he shall set forth a great multitude; but the multitude shall be given into his hand.
12 And when he hath taken away the multitude, his heart shall be lifted up; and he shall cast down many ten thousands: but he shall not be strengthened by it.

This king of the south was Ptolemy IV Philopater who marched with his groups up to Damascus and won that battle.

13 For the king of the north shall return, and shall set forth a multitude greater than the former, and shall certainly come after certain years with a great army and with much riches.

Antiochus III rallied against Ptolemy VI, a mere boy at the time, but was sent home in disgrace by the Roman general who was sent in the ships from Cyprus at Ptolemy's call to Rome for help. In his rage, he took out his anger on God's people as he returned home:

14 And in those times there shall many stand up against the king of the south: also the robbers of thy people shall exalt themselves to establish the vision; but they shall fall.
15 So the king of the north shall come, and cast up a mount, and take the most fenced cities: and the arms of the south shall not withstand, neither his chosen people, neither shall there be any strength to withstand.
16 But he that cometh against him shall do according to his own will, and none shall stand before him: and he shall stand in the glorious land, which by his hand shall be consumed.
17 He shall also set his face to enter with the strength of his whole kingdom, and upright ones with him; thus shall he do: and he shall give him the daughter of women, corrupting her: but she shall not stand on his side, neither be for him.
18 After this shall he turn his face unto the isles, and shall take many: but a prince for his own behalf shall cause the reproach offered by him to cease; without his own reproach he shall cause it to turn upon him.
19 Then he shall turn his face toward the fort of his own land: but he shall stumble and fall, and not be found.

Heliodorus was the "raiser of taxes" for Seleucus IV, who had designs on the throne, but he poisoned Seleucus IV to get him out of the way, and controlled his youngest, 5-year-old son, also named Antiochus, to rule the kingdom.

20 Then shall stand up in his estate a raiser of taxes in the glory of the kingdom: but within few days he shall be destroyed, neither in anger, nor in battle.

Antiochus III died in verse 19 and Seleucus IV died in verse 20, and then Antiochus IV Epiphanes, who having flattered his way into the lives of Eumenes II and Attalus of Pergamum, came home from Rome with a large entourage. He deposed Heliodorus as the NEW "co-regent and protector" of the young son of Seleucus IV. When the child was 10, Antiochus was absent one day, and in his convenient absence the boy was killed, giving him SOLE regency of the kingdom:

21 And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.
22 And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.
23 And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.
24 He shall enter peaceably even upon the fattest places of the province; and he shall do that which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers' fathers; he shall scatter among them the prey, and spoil, and riches: yea, and he shall forecast his devices against the strong holds, even for a time.

The "prince of the covenant" in verse 22 was the Jewish high priest Onias III whom he replaced with Jason (Joshua, the brother of Onias), and then later he put Menelaus in the office of high priest instead, betraying Jason.

Antiochus IV went down to Egypt and spread his own wealth around to the public in the attempt to gain their support.

Antiochus IV thought he could gain another person to "protect" in the young king Ptolemy VI Philometer, who happened to be his nephew through Cleopatra I. He came in the "help the kid out," while designing to conquer him by deceit, all the while spying on their defenses. However, the young king was not that stupid and fought against him and his army. However, he was still defeated by his war engines, but Antiochus had given the order to take them alive and not to kill them:

25 And he shall stir up his power and his courage against the king of the south with a great army; and the king of the south shall be stirred up to battle with a very great and mighty army; but he shall not stand: for they shall forecast devices against him.
26 Yea, they that feed of the portion of his meat shall destroy him, and his army shall overflow: and many shall fall down slain.

They will make a treaty, but neither one will be telling the other the truth, and Ptolemy entreats Rome for their aid against Antiochus.

27 And both these kings' hearts shall be to do mischief, and they shall speak lies at one table; but it shall not prosper: for yet the end shall be at the time appointed.

Antiochus returns and despises the Jews who had heard that Antiochus had lost the battle and had been celebrating his defeat. So, he punishes them for their insolence and then goes home.

28 Then shall he return into his land with great riches; and his heart shall be against the holy covenant; and he shall do exploits, and return to his own land.

Later, he tried to do a better job at conquering Egypt, but now the Romans step in with ships filled with soldiers coming from Cyprus:

29 At the time appointed he shall return, and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter.
30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.

This time, defeated in battle and humiliated by Rome, he takes out his wrath on the children of Isra'el, forcing them to Helenize, sets up the altar of Zeus Olympias over the brazen altar, and 8 days later, sacrifices a pig on that altar to Zeus:

31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

At that time, some will be persuaded by greed and avarice to forsake God's commandments, but also at that time, Judas Maccabee and his brothers arose and fought for doing what was right for God.

32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.
33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.
34 Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.
35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.

The rest of this chapter is about Herod the Great and the Roman Emperor over him.

36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.
40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.
42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.
43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.
44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.
45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.
KJV

Of course, you're going to believe what you want to believe, but just compare the rest of this chapter with the series of details that were given in the foregoing verses. Now, I know that some feel that the words "even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed" takes it to the future, even our future, but hold on a minute: Why would we suddenly be taken over 2,000 years into the future with a huge leap when everything else has been a year here or a couple of years there?!

Remember what Paul said:


1 Corinthians 10:1-11
1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
KJV

We're already IN the time of the end! We have been since the first century A.D! It was Yeshua` HIMSELF who split His coming "at the time of the end" into two comings! HE did it!