This thread is for Blood Washed Born-Again Believers in Jesus Christ our LORD
Acceptance or rejection of this thread does not question your Salvation in Christ.
Here is your first evidence to know that pre-trib rapture is not Truth and never came from God = 'timing'
The entire Scriptures only speak of 2 Comings of the LORD MESSIAH to earth to appear before all the world:
#1 - His First Coming as prophesied = Suffering Servant to bear our sins/Jonah 3 days buried then Resurrection/Genesis Abraham & Isaac
#2 - His Second Coming = Story of Joseph and Prophet Daniel include His 1st and 2nd Coming and Zech ch14 His Second Coming
These are not exaustive but easily the most prominent OT Prophecies and/or allegorical prophecy(s).
NT Gospel, Apostle writings and Revelation only speak of His 1st and 2nd Coming
Anyone who says other does so of their own volition for it is a 'man-made' doctrine = i am being gracious here.....
Just as the Jews have a covering over their minds whenever the Scriptures are read, so also does a person who believes in pre-trib rapture.
That covering was placed there by 'falsehood' and because the heart believes it to be true, the mind cannot/will not accept the actual Truth.
This 'covering' is enforced daily by the religious system that will not yield itself unto correction by the Holy Spirit.
As with all 'coverings' God allows it to remain upon the individual as HE sees fit according to the persons heart = Prophet Jeremiah
“The heart is deceitful above all things,
And desperately wicked;
Who can know it?
I, the Lord, search the heart,
I test the mind,
Even to give every man according to his ways,
According to the fruit of his doings."
“An astonishing and horrible thing
Has been committed in the land:
The prophets prophesy falsely,
And the priests rule by their own power;
And My people love to have it so.
But what will you do in the end?"
I've learned that - at least it's my opinion that - what those who talk about a pre-trib rapture actually have in their minds when they use the term
tribulation, is
wrath, i.e they think they are advocating for a
pre-wrath rapture.
Jesus said,
"I have spoken these things to you so that you might have peace in Me. In the world you shall have tribulation, but be of good cheer. I have overcome the world." John 16:33.
In the New Testament, the words that translate into English as tribulation, trouble, persecution, etc are found in all these verses:-
Persecution Of Jesus: John 5:16
Persecution of Christians: Matthew 5:10-12; John 15:20; Acts 22:4; Acts 26:11; 1 Corinthians 4:12; 1 Corinthians 15:9; 2 Corinthians 4:9; Galatians 1:13 & 23; Galatians 4:29; Galatians 5:11
Persecution of the woman who gave birth to the Messiah: Revelation 12:13
Tribulation Of apostles or Christians: Matthew 13:21 (Parallel: Mark 4:17); Matthew 24:9 & 29 (Parallel Mark 13:24); John 16:33; Acts 11:19; Acts 14:22; Acts 20:23; Romans 5:3; Romans 8:35; Romans 12:12; 2 Corinthians 1:4, 6 & 8; 2 Corinthians 2:4; 2 Corinthians 4:8; 2 Corinthians 4:17; 2 Corinthians 6:4; 2 Corinthians 7:4-5; 2 Corinthians 8:2; Ephesians 3:13; Philippians 1:16; Philippians 4:14; Colossians 1:24; 1 Thessalonians 1:6; 1 Thessalonians 3:3-4 & 7; 2 Thessalonians 1:4, 6-7; 2 Timothy 1:8; 2 Timothy 3:11; 2 Timothy 4:5; Hebrews 10:32-33; 1 Peter 5:9; Revelation 1:9; Revelation 2:9-10, 22; Revelation 7:14.
GREAT TRIBULATION (Greek: mégas thlîpsis)" The adjective appears in front of the word tribulation only three times in the New Testament:
Great tribulation mentioned as the experience of Christians: Revelation 2:22 & Revelation 7:14:
Great tribulation is first mentioned by Jesus in the Olivet Discourse: Matthew 24:21 (parallel Mark 13:19) *
Matthew 24:21-22 (Parallel: Mark 13:19-20):
"for then shall be mégas thlîpsis (great tribulation), such as has not been since the beginning of the world to this time; no, nor ever shall be. And unless those days should be shortened, no flesh would be saved.
But for the elect's sake, those days shall be shortened." (Also see Matthew 24:9).
* Luke 21:23 uses the words
great distress and wrath to describe what was to come upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem (not the word tribulation):
"But woe to those who are with child, and to those suckling in those days! For there shall be great distress [anánkē] in the land and wrath [orgḗ] on this people."
In Luke 21:20-24 Luke is writing about what Jesus said regarding the wrath of God that the inhabitants of Jerusalem would face when armies gather against the city and destroy the city,
but the tribulation or persecution of the disciples of Jesus in the days leading up to the coming of the Son of man is mentioned in Luke 21:12-19; as well as in Matthew 24:9-10 and Mark 13:9-13; and their redemption (ending their tribulation), is mentioned in Luke 21:25-36; Matthew 24:29-51; and Mark 13:24-37.
There are only two verses in the New Testament referring to tribulation experienced
by non-Christians:-
1. Of all who do evil: Romans 2:9.
2. Of the world
as repayment for bringing tribulation upon the saints: 2 Thessalonians 1:6.
In this sense (in the sense that the New Testament speaks of tribulation), a pre-tribulation rapture = a church age and a group of people who will never face tribulation, let alone great tribulation, which flies against what Jesus and His apostles repeatedly taught.
But I do believe that what those who talk about a pre-trib rapture actually have in their minds when they use the term
tribulation, is
wrath, i.e they think they are advocating for a
pre-wrath rapture.