The Day of The Lord, Wrong Timing Applied

[Earburner]

Actually He did, 2 Chronicles 7:1-3, but God left the first Temple, Ezekiel 11:22-23. Gods Shekinah glory was never in the second Temple, but it will be in the Third. Ezekiel 43:1-5

Correct, the temple was God's chosen place for sacrifice, but 70AD came and 2 Chronicles 7:19-20 was fulfilled for no more temples. It never was God's idea, that the temple made by men, was going to be His permanent dwelling place, of which all He did was visit it. He had laid other plans through His Son, before the foundations of the world.
Again....we who are Born again Christians are that 3rd temple, His permanent dwelling place by His Holy Spirit.

Because of Ezekiel 43:9, their Jewish temple cannot come, because it is not allowed of by God for it to come. Only Jesus fulfilled the whole Law, and has become God's Sacrifice, the Lamb OF God, and has obtained the Righteousness of God for us as a Gift.

If there ever be any other additional sacrifices included by men, aka "the overspreading of abominations" (KJV-Daniel 9:27), it would be a slap in face of God the Father, after Him sacrificing His only begotten Son for us.

 

[Davy]

Those three events are separate and happen at different times.

I showed you how all 3, the 6th seal, 7th trumpet, and 7th vial all happen together, all about the "day of the Lord" timing.

 

[Davy]

Because you misread my post, you misunderstood my point. Try to digest this first, and then you will understand: Jesus Himself, IS THE FIRST Resurrection.

No, Jesus is the FIRSTFRUITS, not... the "first resurrection" of Revelation 20.

The "first resurrection" is a reference found ONLY in the Revelation 20 Chapter, not in The Four Gospels. And that "first resurrection" reference in Revelation 20 is ONLY about those who reign with Jesus after... His future return.

To say that Jesus' resurrection was that "first resurrection" is to wrongly suggest that the "thousand years" began when Jesus rose, and also back then His elect began reigning over the nations back then, and THAT idea is a falsehood.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Those GT martyrs, Revelation 20:4-5, are not yet given immortality; they may die again; but over them their second death has no power.
They, like every person who has ever lived; must stand before God on His Great White Throne and only then, is the Book of Life opened. Rev 20:11-15

They may die again? What nonsense.

 

[Earburner]

You are wrong; there is a thousand year gap between 1 Cor 15:23 and 24.

[23] But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
[23.5]? Your future 1000 year reign on the earth shows up here?? *
[24] Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

* No. The following is what will show up:
KJV- 2Thes.1
[7] And to you who are troubled rest with us, WHEN the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
[8] In flaming [G5395- a blaze of] fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
[9] Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
[10] WHEN he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

For more clarity:
Luke 17[28] Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
[29] But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
[30] Even thus shall it be in the day WHEN the Son of man is revealed.

The more people there are, that reject the plain meaning of the words above, all the more is 2 Peter 3:3 being fulfilled in our day.

 

[Timtofly]

Because you misread my post, you misunderstood my point. Try to digest this first, and then you will understand: Jesus Himself, IS THE FIRST Resurrection.

Jesus is the physical resurrection.

I agree.

 

[Keraz]

If there ever be any other additional sacrifices included by men, aka "the overspreading of abominations" (KJV-Daniel 9:27), it would be a slap in face of God the Father, after Him sacrificing His only begotten Son for us.

There are several prophesies which clearly state there will be a new Temple and sacrifices and offerings will be made in it. I believe them.

I showed you how all 3, the 6th seal, 7th trumpet, and 7th vial all happen together, all about the "day of the Lord" timing.

The given sequence of them in Revelation, refutes the idea that they are one event. I reject your theory.

They may die again? What nonsense.

Explain what is meant by; ...over them, their second death has no power.... Rev 20:6
Note that those GT martyrs are just brought back to life. NOT made immortal yet.

The more people there are, that reject the plain meaning of the words above, all the more is 2 Peter 3:3 being fulfilled in our day.

Scoffing about the clearly Prophesied Millennium, is your mistake.

 

[Davy]

[23] But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
[23.5]? Your future 1000 year reign on the earth shows up here?? *
[24] Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

* No. The following is what will show up:
KJV- 2Thes.1
[7] And to you who are troubled rest with us, WHEN the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
[8] In flaming [G5395- a blaze of] fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
[9] Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
[10] WHEN he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

For more clarity:
Luke 17[28] Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
[29] But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
[30] Even thus shall it be in the day WHEN the Son of man is revealed.

The more people there are, that reject the plain meaning of the words above, all the more is 2 Peter 3:3 being fulfilled in our day.

See folks, after a while those who intend to deceive eventually tell on themselves, like with the above false suggestion that all the wicked are destroyed on the day of Christ's future coming, which is man's false doctrine of Amillennialism.


Here is a Scripture that Amillennialism has problems with...

Zech 14:16-19
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
KJV

That is about the time after... Christ's future return to this earth, and begins His reign.

Notice those leftovers of the nations that came against Jerusalem still exist after Christ's return, and are made to go worship and keep the feast of tabernacles.

Even in Revelation 3:9, Lord Jesus showed He will make those of the "synagogue of Satan" to come worship Him at the feet of His elect in that future time, which totally destroys the idea of Amillennialism which wrongly teaches all the wicked are destroyed on the day of Christ's future return.

 

[Davy]

The given sequence of them in Revelation, refutes the idea that they are one event. I reject your theory.

You are following a 'theory' from men, because you fail to recognize the same events written in multiple Scripture examples. Doing that is how many of today's denominations and divisions have been started by 'men's traditions' of absolutism (like, "well if it don't also say 'the day of the Lord' in that other verse, then I ain't believin' it!").

 

[Earburner]

No, Jesus is the FIRSTFRUITS, not... the "first resurrection" of Revelation 20.

Davy, scripturally and spiritually, you can't contradict or contend against what I have said, and that which I am now saying, with scripture:
John.11[25] Jesus said unto her, I AM THE resurrection, and THE [New] life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

Col.1[18] And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Rom.8[29] For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

2 Peter 1[3] According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
[4] Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be PARTakers of the [His] divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
> So then, let me ask this:
Are you now a PARTaker/PARTicipant of His Divine Nature?
If so, assumming that you are born again of His Holy Spirit, how is that possible for you, if you did NOT HAVE PART in Jesus' resurrection, who is The First Resurrection???

In what phase of Jesus' three comings [yes, it's scriptural], shall it be that YOU are now "sealed unto the Day of redemption"?
1. in the flesh, through a virgin, His first coming?
2. In the Spirit, being the Spirit of Christ Himself, His second coming?
3. In the Glory of His Immortality, His third coming?
[Yes! It is true! The visible churches do have the Lord's "comings" messed up, as you shall see in the following.]
I trust that your answer is #2. And of course it is, because He who IS THE FIRST resurrection did "come to you", and now both He and His Father have made their abode/dwelling place WITHIN YOU, aka the Holy Spirit. John 14:23.

John 14:15-18
[18] I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you [by my Spirit]. See Romans 8:9.

What did you think Paul meant by the following:
Philippians 3[10] That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
[11] If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead [in the LIKENESS of HIS Resurrection into immortality].

Enough for now. Your head is probably spinning, until you are able to sort out what religious "church-ianity" has force fed us all these years.

 

[Earburner]

You are following a 'theory' from men, because you fail to recognize the same events written in multiple Scripture examples. Doing that is how many of today's denominations and divisions have been started by 'men's traditions' of absolutism (like, "well if it don't also say 'the day of the Lord' in that other verse, then I ain't believin' it!").

1Cor.2[5] That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but [rather] in the power of God.

So then, for what all are hearing through me, is not according to the scholarly "wisdom of men", but rather by John 16:13.
[13] Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, IS COME [unto you], he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

 

[Earburner]

See folks, after a while those who intend to deceive eventually tell on themselves, like with the above false suggestion that all the wicked are destroyed on the day of Christ's future coming, which is man's false doctrine of Amillennialism.


Here is a Scripture that Amillennialism has problems with...

Zech 14:16-19
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
KJV

That is about the time after... Christ's future return to this earth, and begins His reign.

Notice those leftovers of the nations that came against Jerusalem still exist after Christ's return, and are made to go worship and keep the feast of tabernacles.

Even in Revelation 3:9, Lord Jesus showed He will make those of the "synagogue of Satan" to come worship Him at the feet of His elect in that future time, which totally destroys the idea of Amillennialism which wrongly teaches all the wicked are destroyed on the day of Christ's future return.

As I had said previously:
The more people there are, that reject the plain meaning of the words above [in my previous post], all the more is 2 Peter 3:3 being fulfilled in our day.

Edit: when I have more time, I will fully address Zechariah 14:16-19 tomorrow.
Thanks, Earburner:)

 

[Davy]

Davy, scripturally and spiritually, you can't contradict or contend against what I have said, and that which I am now saying, with scripture:
John.11[25] Jesus said unto her, I AM THE resurrection, and THE [New] life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

Col.1[18] And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Rom.8[29] For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

2 Peter 1[3] According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
[4] Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be PARTakers of the [His] divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
> So then, let me ask this:
Are you now a PARTaker/PARTicipant of His Divine Nature?
If so, assumming that you are born again of His Holy Spirit, how is that possible for you, if you did NOT HAVE PART in Jesus' resurrection, who is The First Resurrection???

In what phase of Jesus' three comings [yes, it's scriptural], shall it be that YOU are now "sealed unto the Day of redemption"?
1. in the flesh, through a virgin, His first coming?
2. In the Spirit, being the Spirit of Christ Himself, His second coming?
3. In the Glory of His Immortality, His third coming?
[Yes! It is true! The visible churches do have the Lord's "comings" messed up, as you shall see in the following.]
I trust that your answer is #2. And of course it is, because He who IS THE FIRST resurrection did "come to you", and now both He and His Father have made their abode/dwelling place WITHIN YOU, aka the Holy Spirit. John 14:23.

John 14:15-18
[18] I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you [by my Spirit]. See Romans 8:9.

What did you think Paul meant by the following:
Philippians 3[10] That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
[11] If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead [in the LIKENESS of HIS Resurrection into immortality].

Enough for now. Your head is probably spinning, until you are able to sort out what religious "church-ianity" has force fed us all these years.

I'm not contradicting Scripture when I say man's theories of Amillennialism, and Preterism, are false.

There is NO kingdom NOW going on in this present world. Christ's literal Kingdom will be of the world to come, at His future return. Jesus said His Kingdom is not of this present world, otherwise His servants would fight and prevent Him from having been delivered up to be crucified.

So ANY idea that tries to say His literal kingdom began at His resurrection goes against what even He proclaimed in John 18:36.

You have shown by your post 105 quote of 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 that you believe on the day of Christ's future coming all the wicked are then destroyed.

That means you reject the greater detail Jesus showed in later Scripture like Revelation, for after His future return with the unsaved nations still existing per the Revelation 20 Chapter.

Your idea is thus NOT written, and is a man-made doctrine, from Amillennialist theory, so why are you trying to hide that you follow that theory?

Furthermore, you have theorized away the literal two comings of Christ Jesus by trying to spiritualize them, like the allegorizer Origen of Alexandria in old times that fell away from God's Word. There are ONLY 2 comings of Christ proclaimed in all of God's Word; the 1st one was His coming to die on the cross; and His 2nd one is still future when He will appear coming in the clouds with every eye seeing Him, as written in several New Testament Scriptures.

Thus it makes sense that you are deceived by men's doctrines like Amillennialism, and possibly even Preterism which Full Preterism wrongly treats Christ's 2nd coming being His appearance to His disciples after His resurrection. That is what the Alexandrian school did with God's Word also, turned literal events in allegories, and allegories into literal events, getting all mixed up.

 

[Davy]

As I had said previously:
The more people there are, that reject the plain meaning of the words above [in my previous post], all the more is 2 Peter 3:3 being fulfilled in our day.

Edit: when I have more time, I will fully address Zechariah 14:16-19 tomorrow.
Thanks, Earburner:)

No one here that I know of rejects Christ's saving Grace He accomplish by His death upon His cross, and His resurrection by The Father. So trying to use that as a lever to hinge support for the traditions of men that you follow does not work.

 

[n2thelight]

Of course this earth will "Pass Away" it will be a completely "New Creation" just as scripture teaches below

"Behold I "Create" New Heavens And A New Earth"

Isaiah 65:17KJV
17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

"Behold, I Make All Things New"

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Isaiah 65:17 "For, "Behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind."

The 3 Heaven and Earth ages is what you need to properly understand this verse .

Revelation 21:1 "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea."

At the close of chapter 20, the fire of hell that consume Satan and all his followers, will not exist. They will never again return in any form, and in their place will be a rejuvenated earth. Will this place be on some far off planet? No, but right here on earth. It will be perfect.

We see in II Peter 3:10,11 that the existence of this present earth age will be changed with the all physical elements (evil rudiments) done away with, at the "day of our Lord". Then in II Peter 3:12, at the end of the Millennium age, the evil souls are turned to ashes. This is called the "day of God".

II Peter 3:13 "Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness."

This new heaven and new earth is a promise given by God to the earliest prophets, and we have seen throughout the Holy Scriptures that God does keep all his promises.

II Peter 3:14 "Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless."

Revelation 21:2 "And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband."

God allowed John to see in his vision this new city, the New Jerusalem; coming down to earth dressed in all its beauty. Christ made this New Jerusalem just as He would adorn it for His first love, His bride, and that is for you and me, that make up His church.

Do you know where our Fathers favorite place in the universe is , yeah right here on THIS earth ,on the sides of the north

Psalms 48:2 "Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, Is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, The city of the great King."

Isaiah 62:1 "For Zion's sake will I not hold My peace, and for Jerusalem's sake I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, and the salvation thereof as a lamp that burneth."

"Zion" is the place that God's throne will be placed here on earth. This is the place where God married it, and declared it to be His city, and where Jesus Christ will rule from when He comes back to earth to set up His kingdom. God made an eternal covenant with Mount Zion, and that is also where He shall return. Ezekiel 16:1-8 describes how Jerusalem's birth was in the land of the Canaanites, and the ones [mother] that brought her into existance were the Jebusites, a people of the Hittites. David took the city and cleaned it up, and renamed it Jerusalem, and God fell in love with the city and it's name became known as "Jerusalem".

Ezekiel 16:8 "Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love; and I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord GOD, and thou becamest mine."

To "spread My skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness" is to commit to one in marriage, and God committed to this city of Jerusalem His love and commitment through this eternal covenant. This is the reason that it is absolute that upon Christ's return, it is where He shall return and claim for Himself.

 

[Truth7t7]

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Here is a Scripture that Amillennialism has problems with...

Zech 14:16-19
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
KJV

That is about the time after... Christ's future return to this earth, and begins His reign.

Notice those leftovers of the nations that came against Jerusalem still exist after Christ's return, and are made to go worship and keep the feast of tabernacles.

Even in Revelation 3:9, Lord Jesus showed He will make those of the "synagogue of Satan" to come worship Him at the feet of His elect in that future time, which totally destroys the idea of Amillennialism which wrongly teaches all the wicked are destroyed on the day of Christ's future return.

No problem whatsoever, you reject the "River Of Life" seen below in Zechariah 14:8 in the "Eternal Kingdom"

Zechariah 14:8KJV
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

You will closely note, Zechariah 14:16 & Isaiah 4:3-4 are "Parallel" readings of the same event, as Isaiah gives a clear account of those who are left, those who are found in the book of life, the final judgement has passed, eternity has begun "After" The Day Of The Lord

You will closely note in Isaiah 4:4 below, Jerusalem will be purged by the spirit of (Judgement) & (Burning)

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Only The Righteous Are Left, The Book Of Life "Was" Opened (Every One That Is Written Among The Living)

Zechariah 14:16KJV
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Isaiah 4:3-4KJV
3 And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem:
4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning.

Revelation 21:24-27KJV
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

 

[Truth7t7]

This new heaven and new earth is a promise given by God to the earliest prophets, and we have seen throughout the Holy Scriptures that God does keep all his promises.

II Peter 3:14 "Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless."

Revelation 21:2 "And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband."

God allowed John to see in his vision this new city, the New Jerusalem; coming down to earth dressed in all its beauty. Christ made this New Jerusalem just as He would adorn it for His first love, His bride, and that is for you and me, that make up His church.

Do you know where our Fathers favorite place in the universe is , yeah right here on THIS earth ,on the sides of the north

Psalms 48:2 "Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, Is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, The city of the great King."

Isaiah 62:1 "For Zion's sake will I not hold My peace, and for Jerusalem's sake I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, and the salvation thereof as a lamp that burneth."

"Zion" is the place that God's throne will be placed here on earth. This is the place where God married it, and declared it to be His city, and where Jesus Christ will rule from when He comes back to earth to set up His kingdom. God made an eternal covenant with Mount Zion, and that is also where He shall return. Ezekiel 16:1-8 describes how Jerusalem's birth was in the land of the Canaanites, and the ones [mother] that brought her into existance were the Jebusites, a people of the Hittites. David took the city and cleaned it up, and renamed it Jerusalem, and God fell in love with the city and it's name became known as "Jerusalem".

Ezekiel 16:8 "Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love; and I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord GOD, and thou becamest mine."

To "spread My skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness" is to commit to one in marriage, and God committed to this city of Jerusalem His love and commitment through this eternal covenant. This is the reason that it is absolute that upon Christ's return, it is where He shall return and claim for Himself.

"Big Smiles"!

 

[Earburner]

Isaiah 65:17 "For, "Behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind."

The 3 Heaven and Earth ages is what you need to properly understand this verse .

Revelation 21:1 "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea."

At the close of chapter 20, the fire of hell that consume Satan and all his followers, will not exist. They will never again return in any form, and in their place will be a rejuvenated earth. Will this place be on some far off planet? No, but right here on earth. It will be perfect.

We see in II Peter 3:10,11 that the existence of this present earth age will be changed with the all physical elements (evil rudiments) done away with, at the "day of our Lord". Then in II Peter 3:12, at the end of the Millennium age, the evil souls are turned to ashes. This is called the "day of God".

II Peter 3:13 "Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness."

This new heaven and new earth is a promise given by God to the earliest prophets, and we have seen throughout the Holy Scriptures that God does keep all his promises.

II Peter 3:14 "Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless."

Revelation 21:2 "And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband."

God allowed John to see in his vision this new city, the New Jerusalem; coming down to earth dressed in all its beauty. Christ made this New Jerusalem just as He would adorn it for His first love, His bride, and that is for you and me, that make up His church.

Do you know where our Fathers favorite place in the universe is , yeah right here on THIS earth ,on the sides of the north

Psalms 48:2 "Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, Is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, The city of the great King."

Isaiah 62:1 "For Zion's sake will I not hold My peace, and for Jerusalem's sake I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, and the salvation thereof as a lamp that burneth."

"Zion" is the place that God's throne will be placed here on earth. This is the place where God married it, and declared it to be His city, and where Jesus Christ will rule from when He comes back to earth to set up His kingdom. God made an eternal covenant with Mount Zion, and that is also where He shall return. Ezekiel 16:1-8 describes how Jerusalem's birth was in the land of the Canaanites, and the ones [mother] that brought her into existance were the Jebusites, a people of the Hittites. David took the city and cleaned it up, and renamed it Jerusalem, and God fell in love with the city and it's name became known as "Jerusalem".

Ezekiel 16:8 "Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love; and I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord GOD, and thou becamest mine."

To "spread My skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness" is to commit to one in marriage, and God committed to this city of Jerusalem His love and commitment through this eternal covenant. This is the reason that it is absolute that upon Christ's return, it is where He shall return and claim for Himself.

Here is the problem with the OT prophets: none of them could discern or know in which three comings/appearances of Jesus, was God's thoughts describing through their words.
Why?
None of them had, nor were they allowed to have, the permanency of the Holy Spirit (the Promise to come) residing within them.
Why?
Matt.13[35] That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world. John 18:20

Therefore, of the few prophecies that you have listed, we all must discern His truth through "the mind of Christ", so that He Himself can reveal to us the timing of their fulfillment in His "comings". John 16:13.

So then, for all OT prophecies, we must ask Him for His wisdom, of when the fulfillment was, is or shall be:
1. Is it in the past of Him coming to us in His flesh?
2. Is it in the present, of Him coming to us in His Spirit?
3. Is it in the future of Him coming for us in His Glory of Immortality?

1Cor.2[5] That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but [rather] in the power of God [John 16:13].

 

[Earburner]

Edit: when I have more time, I will fully address Zechariah 14:16-19 tomorrow.
Thanks, Earburner:)

To Davy,
I would continue to fully reveal the prophecy of Zechariah 14:16-19, but "Truth7t7" has done a fine job of pointing out the scriptures of it's fulfillment.
Remember: the Lord Jesus
1. has come in the flesh,
2. is still coming in the Spirit, and
3. shall come again in the immortality of His fiery Glory.

 

[Earburner]

No one here that I know of rejects Christ's saving Grace He accomplish by His death upon His cross, and His resurrection by The Father. So trying to use that as a lever to hinge support for the traditions of men that you follow does not work.

Evidently, you need more clarity to keep you from side stepping the point I am making.
KJV-2 Peter 3:1-7
[3] Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days SCOFFERS [G1703], walking after their own lusts,
[4] And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
[5] For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
[6] Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, PERISHED:
[7] But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto FIRE against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.