The Decoy Gospel

[Brakelite]

We dishonour God by limiting what we think He can do. Or we can honour Him by believing Him to be all-powerful and sovereign.

In these perilous times many believers walk in unbelief. Many have believed a lie...either a whole lie or a convenient half-truth. With God are not ALL things possible? Can we not do ALL things through Christ who empowers us with His grace?

So let's look at two similar sounding statements that mean the exact opposite to see which one has it's origins in heaven...where God can create anything and nothing is too difficult for Him. And compare that to what is worldly and diabolical in it's origins.

So here are the statements....

1. The gospel is that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh to save us in our sins

2. The gospel is that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh to save us from our sins

Which statement takes an all powerful God to accomplish?

Which statement sounds like a political slogan that is based on a powerless God settling for what men can do...or can't do?

Now of course the devil will try to hide his design in nice sounding words...like saving us from the "consequence" of sins.....rather than releasing us from the bondage of what makes us sin.

So what is the gospel? Is it good news for evil men who have no faith in a God of wonders and miracles? Or is it good news for they who have faith in a holy God who is helping us to be in His presence...a presence where there is no sin?

Too good to be true? But too good for what to be true? And to whom?

So the devil seduces people to believe in a scheme that just makes us more comfortable IN our sins.
The evil of the false decoy gospel is that we become worse sinners by being a believer than we were before when we at least tried to not sin.

If our faith makes us more smug about sin and leaves us with an idea that sinning is no big deal because of certain self-serving beliefs...then we need to change those beliefs to line up with the truth that the soul that sins...it shall die. The wages of sin is death. And to take a detour around the truth to follow the decoy will have you stop short of the grace of God.

Okay, now I see where you're going with this. Yes, we limit the power of God in our lives by our own unwillingness to trust Him. We don't believe He wants us to live in righteousness, and so we settle for living as defeated victims of our own unbelief.
Point being we need to be willing to live holy separated lives without sin... The question being, is that what we want? Because the truth is, if that is what we want, then God certainly has the power to make it so.

 

[Brakelite]

From the very beginning, presiding over the Eucharist was restricted to those who had been ordained to the presbytery , through the laying on of hands.

Here's some more from St. ignatius:

Let that be held a valid
eucharist which is under the bishop or one to whom he
shall have committed it.


It is not me but the Church, established by Christ, through the apostles that you disagree with.

All of the 2000 yr old apostolic communities teach this. There are none that do not...

Is it so hard to submit yourself to your brethren?

Peace be with you!

Your quotes of Ignatius merely reveal how quickly the church began to descend into apostasy after the early church apostles died. And Paul warned this would be so. Praise God that elsewhere there were faithful servants willing to carry the torch of truth throughout the world. Relying on man for affirmation is akin to trusting in the devil's approval.

 

[Episkopos]

He has "saved" us from our sins.

Salvation is a process. When we were still carnal He forgave our sins (past sins) because we are ignorant of the gospel message...that is that a power is come to earth in the form of grace that sets us free from present and future sins. (Few believe this to be so.)

The remission of sins means to be free from sin. The Greek "aphesis" translated as "remission" means freedom. So then just as a cancer goes into remission...IOW inactive.....then a person can be said to be "cancer free." So then "saved" from sin means we are saved from the power that makes us sin. We are then free to serve the living God.

 

[Philip James]

Your quotes of Ignatius merely reveal how quickly the church began to descend into apostasy after the early church apostles died. And Paul warned this would be so. Praise God that elsewhere there were faithful servants willing to carry the torch of truth throughout the world. Relying on man for affirmation is akin to trusting in the devil's approval.

Hello brakelite,

To dismiss Ignatius and Polycarp as apostates shows just how far sone have fallen from the Truth...

Where are those who spoke against them? Did the whole Church, everywhere, immediately fall into this same 'apostasy'? Or is this found in every apostolic community, because this is indeed the structure given to the Church through the apostles?

Where is the 2000 year old Christian community that teaches otherwise?

Peace!

 

[Joseph77]

Thankfully we do not depend on ig nor poly.... or we would fall like those who depend on them do.

Yes, the 'whole ' became apostate, and forced others to join, or to die, or to flee.

 

[mjrhealth]

Salvation is a process. When we were still carnal He forgave our sins (past sins) because we are ignorant of the gospel message...that is that a power is come to earth in the form of grace that sets us free from present and future sins. (Few believe this to be so.)

The remission of sins means to be free from sin. The Greek "aphesis" translated as "remission" means freedom. So then just as a cancer goes into remission...IOW inactive.....then a person can be said to be "cancer free." So then "saved" from sin means we are saved from the power that makes us sin. We are then free to serve the living God.

It is done completed.

It is finished He said.

 

[Episkopos]

It is done completed.

It is finished He said.

That statement is misused by many to avoid the cross themselves. Jesus fulfilled His part. Now it is our turn. Whoever does not take up their own cross to follow Him is not worthy of Him.

 

[Joseph77]

That statement is misused by many to avoid the cross themselves. Jesus fulfilled His part. Now it is our turn. Whoever does not take up their own cross to follow Him is not worthy of Him.

What of those who deny Jesus ? Who claim He is not One with the Father - that He is not God ?

 

[mjrhealth]

That statement is misused by many to avoid the cross themselves. Jesus fulfilled His part. Now it is our turn. Whoever does not take up their own cross to follow Him is not worthy of Him.

Have you ever noticed, that Jesus never carried His cross, should read all about it, and if you havnt noticed once He was risen He dint keep carrying it. A dead man who has risen with Him has no need for the cross, the cross is what puts men to death,

That bit, put My yoke upon your shoulders for my burden i light.

[MKJV] Matthew 27:32
And going out, they found a man of Cyrene, Simon by name. They forced this one to carry His cross.

 

[mjrhealth]

What of those who deny Jesus ? Who claim He is not One with the Father - that He is not God ?

Funny thing is that those who Say He is God are denying Him for they say it wasnt Jesus that died on the cross it was God, and so He losses all the Glory and all the Credit for what He did,

[MKJV] John 3:16
For God so loved the world that He gave His only-begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

Apparently God didnt love us. He lied, He came Himself so neither get teh Glory.

 

[Joseph77]

...and so the heretic posts continue ....

 

[Joseph77]

Jesus, Messiah, God, not the Father, died on the cross, the whole plan of Salvation perfectly being fulfilled thru Him , thru God, ...... no contradiction -

saying Jesus is not God is not only a contradiction - it is still and remains heresy, false teaching

for whatever reason.

 

[Joseph77]

(and is affected in many other heretic posts --- it is not just one false idea, one false gospel , by itself)

 

[Episkopos]

Have you ever noticed, that Jesus never carried His cross, should read all about it, and if you havnt noticed once He was risen He dint keep carrying it. A dead man who has risen with Him has no need for the cross, the cross is what puts men to death,

That bit, put My yoke upon your shoulders for my burden i light.

[MKJV] Matthew 27:32
And going out, they found a man of Cyrene, Simon by name. They forced this one to carry His cross.

Why do people feel to overturn the words of Jesus? It's really beyond me. Do you think you understand more than the Son of God? I just repeated what Jesus said.

Just because I don't put a verse number beside the statement doesn't make it LESS than the words of Jesus. Jesus did not use verse numbers when He spoke.

Jesus did carry His cross and Simon helped Him because that represents carrying one another's burdens...for the Body.

And yes a dead man is ON the cross. But there are so few in our time that are actually dead to their own soul lives as to be negligible. Most are still in the carrying their own cross to the place of death...and LIFE. And many more just pretend to.

 

[mjrhealth]

Why do people feel to overturn the words of Jesus? It's really beyond me. Do you think you understand more than the Son of God? I just repeated what Jesus said.

Just because I don't put a verse number beside the statement doesn't make it LESS than the words of Jesus. Jesus did not use verse numbers when He spoke.

Jesus did carry His cross and Simon helped Him because that represents carrying one another's burdens...for the Body.

And yes a dead man is ON the cross. But there are so few in our time that are actually dead to their own soul lives as to be negligable. Most are still in the carrying their own cross to the place of death...and LIFE.

Overturn the words of Jesus, yes done everyday, too much Study not enough Christ. A man risen in Christ has put death behind Him, He has being raised up into the newness of Life In Christ, there is only Life in Christ, Christ isnt still carrying His cross, it is finished.

 

[Episkopos]

What of those who deny Jesus ? Who claim He is not One with the Father - that He is not God ?

It depends if they say they are following Him. We will be judged by our words. Believers will be judged harder than non-believers after all.

 

[Episkopos]

Overturn the words of Jesus, yes done everyday, too much Study not enough Christ. A man risen in Christ has put death behind Him, He has being raised up into the newness of Life In Christ, there is only Life in Christ, Christ isnt still carrying His cross, it is finished.

So you are not going to obey the Lord but just hold to a religious position instead...because of what Jesus did?

See, that is why most will claim much for themselves but do little to nothing in regards to obedience to God.

 

[mjrhealth]

So you are not going to obey the Lord but just hold to a religious position instead...because of what Jesus did?

See, that is why most will claim much for themselves but do little to nothing in regards to obedience to God.

Have you ever noticed, Jesus is not a religion. When one follows Jesus , one follows Jesus not after men and His doctrines.

 

[Joseph77]

It depends if they say they are following Him. We will be judged by our words. Believers will be judged harder than non-believers after all.

So you are not going to obey the Lord but just hold to a religious position instead...because of what Jesus did?

See, that is why most will claim much for themselves but do little to nothing in regards to obedience to God.

yes, mjrh has denied Christ - and continues to continually. He denies Jesus is God.

 

[Episkopos]

Have you ever noticed, Jesus is not a religion. When one follows Jesus , one follows Jesus not after men and His doctrines.

Some men know more than others...

"....there has to be some undoing before there can be any upbuilding. The Christ who is the power of God to us is the crucified Christ who progressively applies the cross to us also so that being released from the flesh which so holds us back, we may advance in the realm of the Spirit. So spiritual progress is not conditioned by special teaching but by ever deeper experiences of the inworking of the cross of Christ."


T A Sparks

Now I would say that this is not exactly accurate as we carry the horizontal part of the cross up to the place of execution where the vertical part of the cross is driven into the ground and that points up to heaven. So our part is to go where God will do His part and crucify us to the vertical part which is the cross of Christ.

So we have our part to play. But until we are dead we are still carrying our own cross. "Whoever does not carry his own cross is not worthy of Me."



Mat. 10:38 And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me.

After that the cross carries us. Then we are dead in ourselves and Christ is the power of our walk.