The Doctrine of OSAS

[ATP]

My point?
ATP, since I met you, you have been sarcastic and cruel to me.
You have belittled me, and all but called me a liar.
You have been arrogant and rude.
You have not shown me any love at all...

Going only by your posts, son....your Christianity is in doubt.

Rom 8:33 ESV Who shall bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies.

 

[Barrd]

Let me straighten out a major misconception.
I do believe in the eternal security of Christ's followers.
Jesus will deliver each and every one of them safely to their eternal destination.
There is no doubt in my mind.

HOWEVER....we all have free will in this arrangement. We can decline His invitation.
Or we can think that we are following Him, when in reality, we are following a false teacher...don't forget that Satan can transform himself into an angel of light...
We can willfully sin, and thus lose our salvation.

There is more to this than a simple profession of faith. There is the action of actually following Him....as in obeying Him.
There is a yoke that we must accept. There is a burden we must bear.
Let's not forget that.

For me, the debate is about who is a believer...not the final destination of those believers.

 

[Barrd]

Zech 3:1 NIV Then he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right side to accuse him.

What does this verse have to do with this conversation?

 

[ATP]

Let me straighten out a major misconception.
I do believe in the eternal security of Christ's followers.
Jesus will deliver each and every one of them safely to their eternal destination.
There is no doubt in my mind.

HOWEVER....we all have free will in this arrangement. We can decline His invitation.

There is no "however" in Heb 9:12. You're adding to scripture.

 

[ATP]

What does this verse have to do with this conversation?

The antichrist spirit accuses believers all day long, especially on silly internet.

 

[Barrd]

Another lie Satan has told you. Your list is getting bigger.

I post a Bible verse, and you tell me that Satan has lied to me?
Interesting.

 

[Barrd]

Rom 8:33 ESV Who shall bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies.

And you, I take it, are one of God's elect?
Then show me.
Bring forth fruits worthy of repentance.

 

[ATP]

And you, I take it, are one of God's elect?
Then show me.
Bring forth fruits worthy of repentance.

Show you by typing behind a computer screen? :lol:

 

[Barrd]

There is no "however" in Heb 9:12. You're adding to scripture.

Are you saying that God removes our free will when we are "saved"?
Can you show me where God says that?

 

[Barrd]

The antichrist spirit accuses believers all day long, especially on silly internet.

You mean the way you accuse me?

 

[ATP]

Are you saying that God removes our free will when we are "saved"?
Can you show me where God says that?

No, we have free will to repent. Repentance for nonbeliever is not the same as repentance for believer. Polar opposite.

 

[ATP]

You mean the way you accuse me?

like I said, silly end times internet.

 

[Barrd]

Show you by typing behind a computer screen? :lol:

All I have to go by are the words that you type.

 

[justaname]

"I will make an everlasting covenant with them that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; and I will put the fear of Me in their hearts so that they will not turn away from Me.

 

[ATP]

silly usernames and silly avatars, idol worship.

 

[ATP]

Most people are too focused on the idol worship, and could care less about learning God's Word.

 

[ATP]

They put truth on the back burner.

 

[Butch5]

Can you answer the post you ignored please.

That's precisely the issue. Do you understand what He did Butch.

Your refusal to present a cogent argument indicates to me that you have none.

Yes, I understand what He did. However, looking at the doctrine you're espousing it doesn't appear that you do.That you asked the question suggests to me an attempt to distract from the real issue. As I've said, I don't believe anyone is arguing about whether the believe has eternal life or about God's or Christ's ability to save. The issue is will a man remain faithful or turn away, that is how one loses salvation. Posting passage that don't address this issue is simply a red herring fallacy.

 

[Butch5]

Heb 9:12 NLT With his own blood--not the blood of goats and calves--he entered the Most Holy Place once for all time and secured our redemption forever.

Who is Paul addressing? BELIEVERS. That is not the issue

 

[ATP]

Your refusal to present a cogent argument indicates to me that you have none.

Yes, I understand what He did. However, looking at the doctrine you're espousing it doesn't appear that you do.That you asked the question suggests to me an attempt to distract from the real issue. As I've said, I don't believe anyone is arguing about whether the believe has eternal life or about God's or Christ's ability to save. The issue is will a man remain faithful or turn away, that is how one loses salvation. Posting passage that don't address this issue is simply a red herring fallacy.

Like I said, they put truth on the back burner. God's Word doesn't matter at this point.

Heb 9:12 NLT With his own blood--not the blood of goats and calves--he entered the Most Holy Place once for all time and secured our redemption forever.