You're making it too easy for me. You need to step up your game.Butch5 said:To those who read but don't post, note the lack of any cogent argument for the support of OSAS.
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You're making it too easy for me. You need to step up your game.Butch5 said:To those who read but don't post, note the lack of any cogent argument for the support of OSAS.
ATP, this is not a "game". People need to know the truth. Not a twisted version of it.ATP said:You're making it too easy for me. You need to step up your game.
Yes. Christ opened a way into the Holy of Holies that no man can close. It will be there forever.ATP said:Heb 9:12 NLT With his own blood--not the blood of goats and calves--he entered the Most Holy Place once for all time and secured our redemption forever.
OSAS doesn't believe these things. These are ideas Satan has put in your head. Twisted ideas of what we believe. Walk away from the voices Barrd.The Barrd said:ATP, this is not a "game". People need to know the truth. Not a twisted version of it.
People must realize....they cannot hide under the blood of Christ to commit even more sin, believing that once they've been saved, what they do no longer matters.
There are too many who think to use this "eternal security" doctrine as a license to sin. They need to know that it is not any such thing.
The term "lost" refers to nonbelievers Barrd. Someone who has obtained salvation will forever be found.The Barrd said:That doesn't mean that a person who has decided to take this way cannot get lost.
Sin is still sin....and the wages of sin have not changed.
Walk away from the voices Barrd.............The Barrd said:OSASers seem to think that Jesus' teachings do not matter. They don't have to obey His command to love one another, or any other teaching of His.
All they have to do is to believe in Him, and hey, presto....they can do anything they like, because they are "saved".
Those are ideas you and others have put into my head, ATP.ATP said:OSAS doesn't believe these things. These are ideas Satan has put in your head. Twisted ideas of what we believe. Walk away from the voices Barrd.
You've invented a long list of things we believe. Your list is bogus Barrd. Why would I believe in continuing to sin?? Satan is lying to you.The Barrd said:Those are ideas you and others have put into my head, ATP.
I asked you if certain vile sins would separate a believer from his salvation....and you told me that they would still go to heaven, even after committing unspeakable sins.
I can not and will not believe that.
I agree. What is your point.The Barrd said:I believe in Jesus....I believe in His Word.
He says that those who love Him will obey Him.
Therefore, I would expect His followers to obey Him.
If He says we are to love one another, I would not expect a follower to be sarcastic and cruel....I expect him to be kind and loving, even when he disagrees.
If He talks about the Two Great Commandments, I expect His followers to obey those Two Commandments.
Someone who believes in Jesus will reflect that belief in his or her actions.
I can only go by what you tell me, ATP.ATP said:You've invented a long list of things we believe. Your list is bogus Barrd. Why would I believe in continuing to sin?? Satan is lying to you.
In what post did I say it's ok to continue to sin?The Barrd said:I can only go by what you tell me, ATP.
Belief is belief Barrd. You're having a hard time understanding this aren't you. Matt 22:14.The Barrd said:I know it is not true....but I asked you, and you told me that this vicious man would still go to heaven.
My point?ATP said:I agree. What is your point.
What she said, its in teh bibleThe Barrd said:Of course, God does not ordain wolves to teach His Word.
But that doesn't mean that some have not crept in among the sheep....how else do you think the church has been torn into so many little fragments?
I know what belief means.ATP said:Belief is belief Barrd. You're having a hard time understanding this aren't you. Matt 22:14.
Zech 3:1 NIV Then he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right side to accuse him.The Barrd said:My point?
ATP, since I met you, you have been sarcastic and cruel to me.
You have belittled me, and all but called me a liar.
You have been arrogant and rude.
You have not shown me any love at all...
Going only by your posts, son....your Christianity is in doubt.
Another lie Satan has told you. Your list is getting bigger.The Barrd said:I know what belief means.
Did you read this verse?
Mat 23:12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.