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The Doctrine of OSAS

Discussion in 'Christian Theology Forum' started by justaname, May 12, 2013.

  1. ATP

    ATP New Member

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    Not really, it is speaking about salvation Phone. Believing in the resurrection is demonic? Ouch.
     
  2. Joyful

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    Everyone,

    Do you know that OSAS stems from Calvinism?

    Those saved ones are elect, according to Calvinists.

    and they are elected by God.
     
  3. ladodgers6

    ladodgers6 New Member

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    I love the book of Romans. Romans 10, depicts the anti-thesis between works & grace. Which is a fundamental subject to get a grasp on. Because its a central tool to rightly divide the word of God. I agree with you on this passage. I just want to add, that the reason why people believe and confess is because its the work of the Holy Spirit. In 1 Cor 1:30, clearly states that its God who (gives/GOSPEL)(Law demands/Gospel gives). So if you read Romans 10 you will a contrast of the anti-thesis of the Law which the Jews try to established their OWN righteousness through the Law, and Paul preaching to his brothers and sisters that the righteousness of God is received through Faith and is given to the ungodly, not the righteous. Its what Luther called a alien righteousness. A righteousness that is outside of us in Christ, not a righteousness we earn through our works, but which is merited by Christ and imputed to sinner through faith.
     
  4. ladodgers6

    ladodgers6 New Member

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    Anybody how I can insert somebody else's quote within my post?
     
  5. ATP

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    Eph 1:13-14 NIV And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.

    Eph 4:30 NIV And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
     
  6. StanJ

    StanJ Lifelong student of God's Word.

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    hit the quote button and put your response outside the box that is created.
     
  7. ATP

    ATP New Member

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    Rom 8:38-39 ESV For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, 39nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

    Rev 20:14 NIV Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.
     
  8. StanJ

    StanJ Lifelong student of God's Word.

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    I'm pretty sure MOST everyone here knows that.
     
  9. ladodgers6

    ladodgers6 New Member

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    Stan there is no box created, when I hit the quote button.
     
  10. Joyful

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    I just hit the quote botton. and here it is.
     
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    ewq1938 Member

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    Not the icon for quote but the word QUOTE at the bottom right of each post.
     
  12. H. Richard

    H. Richard Well-Known Member

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    When Jesus spoke the words above He was speaking to His people, the Jews (see verse 6 below)

    Matt 10:5-7 (NKJ)
    5 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: "Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans.
    6 "But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
    7 "And as you go, preach, saying, 'The kingdom of heaven is at hand.'
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    Matt 15:23-24 (NKJ)
    23 But He answered her not a word. And His disciples came and urged Him, saying, "Send her away, for she cries out after us."
    24 But He answered and said, "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

    Jesus did not say this for, or to, the Gentiles. Under grace a child of God is a member of the body of Christ. We are not sheep.

    What was it that the Jews did not believe? Wasn't it that Jesus was their Messiah and King? We are not saved under grace because we believe Jesus is OUR Messiah and King. We are saved because we believe in Jesus' work of sheading His blood on a cross to pay for our sins of the flesh. We are saved today because of our faith (trust, belief, confidence) in God's grace shown to us by Jesus' work on the cross.

    Sheep? The children of God under grace are joint heirs with Christ. Since the scriptures tell us we are, then we are certainly not sheep.
     
  13. StanJ

    StanJ Lifelong student of God's Word.

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    Well there should be, as this shows, but maybe you have your browser configured weirdly? Are you hitting the word 'Quote' at the bottom right of the actual post you are responding to? Are you using the 'default' settings for your profile? Ask Hammer to help you, as he can see what your settings are, I can't.
     
  14. justaname

    justaname Disciple of Jesus Christ Staff Member

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    Please explain how Romans shows we are saved before we are called.

    Let's start here with this response...

    There are other points we will probably be addressing...
     
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    Yes I am clicking on the icon at the bottom right that reads Quote. Its only open the box to which I can write something, and there is nothing else in this box, its blank.
     
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    Just scroll up to the post and copy the text then paste it into the quote box you made. Its not supposed to work that way but for now you can do it that way.
     
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    It's actually the opposite, NON-OSAS stems from Calvinism. Calvinists are not born again.

    In regards to the elect, these are those who have found salvation by grace through faith.

    The devil is really twisting your words. - ATP
     
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    Joh_10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

    Guess who the other fold are. It still stands today.
     
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    If you are born again, you will not endorse doctrine says that all you need is one time confession to be saved.

    It is doctrine of demon, friend.

    You need to give respect What He deserves. His word is so powerful that by obeying His teachings you will inherit eternal life, brother.

    blessings.
     
  20. H. Richard

    H. Richard Well-Known Member

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    No it doesn't. You are still saying the other sheep are the grace churches started by Paul. You can not show any scriptures that support that opinion.

    I am at a loss as to why religious people WANT to include what Jesus, who was under the Law of Moses, teaching those who were under the Law of Moses, into the grace gospel that was given to Paul by the ascended Jesus for the world after the Jews were set aside. They just ignore all the references that the grace gospel was hidden in God until it was revealed to Paul by Jesus through revelations.

    Deut 29:29
    29 "The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but those things which are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law.
    NKJV

    What I see in the scriptures is that those Jews, who believed Jesus was their Messiah and King, constantly tried to get those under grace back under the Law of Moses. I also see the religious churches are doing the same thing today. According to Paul if a person tries to be saved by going under Law then that person can not be saved under grace. I have said it before, The only way Satan can win a person is to pervert the gospel of grace with works and those that do it are in danger of the wrath of God. Why? Because salvation is the accomplished work of God on the cross and a person had better acknowledge it..
     
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