We don't. Mary needed salvation as much as any body else. She even said so herself. "My spirit rejoices in God my Savior". We can quibble about WHEN she was saved until the cows come. God didn't NEED to make Mary sinless, He CHOSE to. That is Catholic teaching that you have deliberately CHOSEN to reject, or you do so out of ignorance or blind prejudice. This is a lie from the pit of hell. Simeon's prophecy that a sword will pierce her soul means more to Catholics than text. Wrong again. A "fiat" comes from humans. Mary's fiat starts in Luke 1:38. God's divine words were DELIVERED by a high ranking angel. Words that come to us from eternity into temporal time. God doesn't say "YES" to himself, that's absurd, and your avatar nauseates me.
Because not everyone gives physical birth to a divine Messiah. If you deny the Incarnation, you have no business being here.
A pro-abort Christian is a contradiction in terms.
IMHO, those Catholics-who are true Christians -have the basis of the belief that. 1. The Mother of Christ is the Immaculate Conception. The defining of that came at a time when the majority did not have access to the scriptures to argue and debate about it. But as it was defined by Pope Pius IX , it was also challenged by those whom the Catholic Church calls saints and doctors of the Church
We don't. Mary needed salvation as much as any body else. She even said so herself. "My spirit rejoices in God my Savior". We can quibble about WHEN she was saved until the cows come. God didn't NEED to make Mary sinless, He CHOSE to. That is Catholic teaching that you have deliberately CHOSEN to reject, or you do so out of ignorance or blind prejudice. This is a lie from the pit of hell. Simeon's prophecy that a sword will pierce her soul means more to Catholics than text. Wrong again. A "fiat" comes from humans. Mary's fiat starts in Luke 1:38. God's divine words were DELIVERED by a high ranking angel. Words that come to us from eternity into temporal time. God doesn't say "YES" to himself, that's absurd, and your avatar nauseates me.
Because not everyone gives physical birth to a divine Messiah. If you deny the Incarnation, you have no business being here.
A pro-abort Christian is a contradiction in terms.
The cows have come home then it would seem . Since you clearly stated she of course needed salvation like anyone else. That would mean , she being conceived like everyone else, would have the same unfortunate stain . That is until her Immaculate Conception in the Holy Seed - the WORD of God. In that sanctification she is too the Immaculate Conception of Christianity-Christ, by being Holy Born of God and also Conceiving Him in her womb through the Immaculate Conception - Supernatural placement of the Word in her womb, the Christ. And of her Holy flesh through placement in her egg ,the Word became flesh . That was an Immaculate Conception by the Holy Spirit and of course she is and will always be the only woman to lay claim to that.
HISTORY and the Church "fathers":
It is admitted that the doctrine as defined by Pius IX was not explicitly noted before the 12th century. It is also agreed that "no direct or categorical and stringent proof of the dogma can be brought forward from Scripture".
I am not the only to disagree with its definition as it stands in the Catholic assembly.Two men called saints by the same assembly too disagreed.
Saint
Thomas Aquinas rejected the Immaculate Conception, saying if the Virgin Mary had been sanctified before her conception, she would not have needed the redemption of Christ concluding that "Blessed Virgin was sanctified after animation"
He is considered to be a doctor of the church.
AND:
Bernard of Clairvaux in the 12th century raised the question of the Immaculate Conception. A feast of the Conception of the Blessed Virgin had already begun to be celebrated in some churches of the West. St Bernard blames the canons of the metropolitan church of
Lyon for instituting such a festival without the permission of the Holy See. In doing so, he takes occasion to repudiate altogether the view that the conception of Mary was sinless, calling it a "novelty".
Yet by certain people of that assembly I am rejected. but I am sure they would not say St. Thomas Aquinas is not a saint, nor Bernard of Clairvaux.
THE PROBLEM: If they are saints, they cannot say anything against the Blessed Mother. So did they? Or did Pope Pius IX get it wrong? The point is I am not alone in my objection to how it is defined. And it is clear there is no scriptural evidence for how it has been and is defined.
The COMPLICATION:First Vatican Council.
In the doctrine
of papal infallibility itself there was nothing new. It had been employed to
define, on December 8, 1854, the dogma
of the
Immaculate Conception, which asserted that the freeing
of the Virgin Mary from all taint
of original sin had occurred at the moment
of her
conception in her mother's womb.
Now someone has to be wrong. I am told I am not Catholic so be it. Yet what I say does align and greater yet expounds upon what two important saints of that assembly say. And what they say can be supported by the scriptures because I have shown that. So, it is clear, Papal Infallibility or anyone's Infallibility is determined by alignment to the foundation- the scriptures. That we can take to the bank.
It would seem being Catholic for some , means never conceding to the fact that someone got it wrong who is considered to be a leader of them. To me it is what the word denotes (A Universal consensus among a body of people). I obviously am part of a group among that assembly . And I would say that the body of Rome that is
actually part of the Body of Christ are those who do not contradict the foundation. As I have said there has been two bodies which have come from Rome : 1. An actual body in Christ 2. A Harlot body.
With the scriptures you find out who is who of the assembly. For we have been told that wolves will arise from among even our own.
So, there can be two BODIES with a universal consensus among its members . One body accepts false doctrine for the sake of Laws in the traditions of men, and those who are for VIRGINITY in doctrine.
I know it is safe to say Pope Pius IX was Fallible , because he leaned own his own strength and not the Beloved in NOT testing his doctrine according to the foundation.
Song of Solomon 8:5
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Who is this coming up from the wilderness, leaning on her beloved?
