The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics

[Taken]

This is a water-tight argument to me that the second coming is “the end.”

Coming means “going to happen”…

“the end” of what?

 

[WPM]

Too convoluted.


Why not respond why you reject the Word of God in Rev 20: 2-3?

Why do you come out with such nonsense? You know that me, and every orthodox Amillennialist accepts the Word of God in Revelation 20:2–3. Such pettiness and avoidance only serves to push people into the Amillennialist camp. That is why the position is growing so much.

You seem to have no answer to biblical arguments.

 

[WPM]

Coming means “going to happen”…

“the end” of what?

The unindoctrinated Bible student should have no difficulty in understanding the meaning and weightiness of the phrases/events “the beginning” and “the end.” That is because they actually mean what they say. These expressions are often used on their own throughout Scripture because the Holy Spirit evidently expects the believer to take God literally at His Word and accept these plain and obvious statements at face value.

Whether one is reading a book, watching a movie, or observing a ball-game, the concept of “the beginning” and “the end” of something is too obvious to even debate or explain. Hello! It is as clear as clear can be. We are talking about basic 101 comprehension.

To fully understand “the end” it is important to be fully informed about “the beginning.” We need to start off by realizing that one is the complete antithesis of the other.

 

[WPM]

Too convoluted.


Why not respond why you reject the Word of God in Rev 20: 2-3?

Premils have no answer to the fact that Scripture shows the regeneration of the earth, heavens and elements to occur at Christ's return, not after some imaginary future millennial kingdom blighted with sin and sinners, dying and crying, disease and decay, corruption and crime, riots and rebellion, war and terror and Satan and his minions of the Premil scenario, including the pointless slaughter of countless innocent animals during that period.

The fact is: sin, death, disease, Satan, the wicked, wickedness and decay corrupt this current age, but are banished from the age to come at the end with the regeneration of the whole cosmos.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.


Premillennialism is the belief that after a period of severe tribulation of the earth, the Lord Jesus Christ will visibly and bodily return to earth (His Second Coming/Advent or Parousia) and will then rule and reign on the earth for a period of one thousand years (millennium) of peace and prosperity.

OP - @WPM
@Spiritual Israelite

Aside from OP’s irrelevant long list of dead mens personal Opinions…
Do YOU Disagree with the meaning of Premillennialism ?

If so… specifically WHAT points is YOUR disagreement?

I'm not entirely sure of what you're asking here. If you are asking if I disagree with Premillennialism, then it should be clear by now that I do. I'm an Amillennialist.

If you want to know what I believe and why then read the first two posts of this thread: Unlike Amillennialism, Premillennialism is based on assumptions and speculation rather than on any clear, straightforward scriptures

If you have any specific questions for me after reading that, let me know.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I don't even know what that means. Post scripture. This is a Christian forum. Premillennialism is biblical. Let's see you prove otherwise FROM SCRIPTURE. You won't be able to.

Please read the first two posts of this other thread where I show why Premillennialism is not biblical while Amilennialism is biblical: Unlike Amillennialism, Premillennialism is based on assumptions and speculation rather than on any clear, straightforward scriptures

As I show in that thread, Premillennialism is based on assumptions and speculation rather than on any clear, straightforward scriptures. Meanwhile, Amillennialism is based on many clear, straightforward scriptures that can't be reconciled with Premillennialism.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Too convoluted.


Why not respond why you reject the Word of God in Rev 20: 2-3?

LOL at you talking about someone else's beliefs being too convoluted. That is hilarious. No one's beliefs are more convoluted than yours.

 

[Taken]

You know that me, and every orthodox Amillennialist accepts the Word of God in Revelation 20:2–3.

Why would YOU presume you Know what I know?

I know what you know / believe by what you say, which is primarily speaking FOR others then disagreeing with what you say FOR them.

 

[WPM]

LOL at you talking about someone else's beliefs being too convoluted. That is hilarious. No one's beliefs are more convoluted than yours.

He is the resident expert on that!

 

[Taken]

The unindoctrinated Bible student should have no difficulty in understanding the meaning and weightiness of the phrases/events “the beginning” and “the end.” That is because they actually mean what they say. These expressions are often used on their own throughout Scripture because the Holy Spirit evidently expects the believer to take God literally at His Word and accept these plain and obvious statements at face value.

Whether one is reading a book, watching a movie, or observing a ball-game, the concept of “the beginning” and “the end” of something is too obvious to even debate or explain. Hello! It is as clear as clear can be. We are talking about basic 101 comprehension.

To fully understand “the end” it is important to be fully informed about “the beginning.” We need to start off by realizing that one is the complete antithesis of the other.

Anyone who comprehends the English Language Should Know:
Coming does not mean came…
As does not mean Is…
Are does not mean shall…
Shall does not mean occurred…
Earth does not mean clouds…
And means additionally…
Man is not exclusive to human…

On and on… disagreements stem from ignorance of understanding of word meanings and gaslighting.

What you actually believe MAY be scattered in your posts, ( too exhausting to sift) which are primarily against persons IN CHRIST.

 

[Taken]

Why do you come out with such nonsense? You know that me, and every orthodox Amillennialist accepts the Word of God in Revelation 20:2–3.


…”some imaginary future millennial kingdom”

Seems even nonsense escapes your understanding it’s meaning.

 

[WPM]

Anyone who comprehends the English Language Should Know:
Coming does not mean came…
As does not mean Is…
Are does not mean shall…
Shall does not mean occurred…
Earth does not mean clouds…
And means additionally…
Man is not exclusive to human…

On and on… disagreements stem from ignorance of understanding of word meanings and gaslighting.

What you actually believe MAY be scattered in your posts, ( too exhausting to sift) which are primarily against persons IN CHRIST.

Cut out the ad hominem and address the evidence.

 

[Taken]

Cut out the ad hominem and address the evidence.

Present some evidence that Applies to you.

 

[WPM]

Present some evidence that Applies to you.

Check the Op.

 

[Taken]

LOL at you talking about someone else's beliefs being too convoluted.

Actually it is your posts that are convoluted, between gaslighting and accusations.

Your beliefs, reveal lacking Discernment.

 

[Taken]

Check the Op.

Pfff… no interest in your hate, accusations, finger pointing, some irrelevant dead mens beliefs, blather to wonder, guess, what you believe.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Actually it is your posts that are convoluted, between gaslighting and accusations.

Your beliefs, reveal lacking Discernment.

Wrong. My beliefs are not convoluted and I'm able to explain them clearly.

How about you read the second post in this thread and tell me what is convoluted about anything I said here about what I believe and why: Unlike Amillennialism, Premillennialism is based on assumptions and speculation rather than on any clear, straightforward scriptures

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Pfff… no interest in your hate, accusations, finger pointing, some irrelevant dead mens beliefs, blather to wonder, guess, what you believe.

Translation: You have nothing to refute his claims and you have come up with excuses as to why you won't address them.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Anyone who comprehends the English Language Should Know:
Coming does not mean came…
As does not mean Is…
Are does not mean shall…
Shall does not mean occurred…
Earth does not mean clouds…
And means additionally…
Man is not exclusive to human…

On and on… disagreements stem from ignorance of understanding of word meanings and gaslighting.

What you actually believe MAY be scattered in your posts, ( too exhausting to sift) which are primarily against persons IN CHRIST.

You are just an immature child who is not able to have an adult discussion. You are not willing to take more than a few seconds to analyze anything that is being said. You must have a very short attention span. It's pointless to waste any time trying to discuss scripture with you.

 

[WPM]

Pfff… no interest in your hate, accusations, finger pointing, some irrelevant dead mens beliefs, blather to wonder, guess, what you believe.

You have nothing to bring to the table but noise.

Facts are stubborn things!