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The Holy Spirit ?

Discussion in 'Unorthodox Doctrine Forum' started by twinc, Sep 14, 2017.

  1. mjrhealth

    mjrhealth Well-Known Member

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    Where have you being hiding.. Do you know why these forums are here, because people read teh bible, says a lot about teh bible with so many confused christians,.
     
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    And here you are too.
     
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    Yep....
     
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    GINOLJC, to all. THE HOLY SPIRIT,
    who is he?. if we go to John 4:24a we discover that “God is A, A, A, Spirit. So the term God, is a general title for the Spirit. So, when we see the term God, it’s referring to the Spirit. God the Spirit said this in Isaiah 46:10 "Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure”. God the Spirit have declared the “END” from the “BEGINNING”, so to understand God, we must do the same. I have heard many people say, no one can understand God, I reject that to a point. Romans 1:19 "Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse”. that’s why I reject those statement, because we’re without excuse. So, knowing that, we began with the book of Revelation which is the “END” and move to the the “BEGINNING” which is the book of Genesis.

    Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John”. here it seems like someone, God, (Which is a general title for the Spirit), gave the Lord Jesus something, (the revelation). So who is this God that is Spirit? The angel in Revelation 22:6 who talked to John told us who this God is. Revelation 22:6 "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done”. here, the angel said, “The Lord God”. but he qualified it with, “the holy prophets”. so the Lord God is the God, (the Spirit), of the holy Prophets in OT as well as the NT. because the prophets are holy in the OT as well as the NT. Let’s back this up. 2 Peter 1:21 "For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost”. wait a minute, the apostle Paul said, 2 Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness”. all Scripture? Let’s see this. 1 Peter 1:10 & 11 "Of which salvation the prophets (these holy men of God, as Peter said), have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow”. wait a minute, STOP the press, the Spirit of Christ?, which was in these holy men of God. It was the Spirit of Christ who “signify” or made plain to these men the suffering of Christ, and the Glory to follow?. The Spirit of Christ did this?. yes, but did not the apostle Paul say “ALL SCRIPTURES” are given by inspiration of God (who is the Spirit). So then, the Spirit of Christ is God (who is the Spirit). let that sink in, or might need to read that again. if someone say that Jesus Christ is a separate person, then one have another separate Spirit, which are two Spirits. and that means one have two Gods, for God is “A” Spirit, not Spirit(s), meaning only ONE Spirit. (let that sink in). if one have a separate PERSON who is Spirit also, This is polytheism in the worst way, because they is not aware of. So then, the Spirit of God (who is the Spirit of Christ) moved these holy men that did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow". for if it was not the Spirit of Christ who is the Spirit of God, then the word of the apostle Paul BY the Holy Spirit is invalidated when he said "All scripture is given by inspiration of God", who is the SPIRIT, and the God who is Spirit do not contradict himself. else then one have two Spirit, and that’s two God, which is polytheism.

    Next time we will look at this Spirit of Christ in the OT as God who is the Spirit of God.

    Be blessed
     
  5. 101G

    101G Well-Known Member

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    The Holy Spirit is Christ Jesus.
    I asked a friend of mine this question, “What was the WORD of God (the Lord Jesus) before he became flesh”. instead of anyone answering, let the bible answer for itself. We know that the word was made flesh, so what was he before he came in flesh. Scripture, 1 Corinthians 10:1-5 "Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness”. as said, let's work from the end to the beginning. At the end of this scripture, it said, “But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness”. in the wilderness?, let the record speak. Hebrews 3:7-12 "Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice, Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness: When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years. Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways. So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.) Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God”. here in the wilderness it is the HOLY SPIRIT that was “grieved”.
    David, said in the Psalms 95:6-8 "O come, let us worship and bow down: let us kneel before the LORD our maker. For he is our God; and we are the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand. To day if ye will hear his voice, Harden not your heart, as in the provocation, and as in the day of temptation in the wilderness:”. WAIT a MINUTE, the LORD all caps is the God (Spirit) who was with them in the wilderness, in the “provocation”?. but did not the writer of Hebrews said that it was the “Holy Ghost” who was with them in the wilderness in the day of provocation? And did not the apostle Paul said it was the ROCK, the CHRIST who followed them and in the provocation and he CHRIST overthrown them in the wilderness?. well 101, it says, “God” overthrew them in verse 5, not Christ. ok…. well let’s see if “God” (who is Spirit) is this ROCK who the apostle Paul say is Christ. Scripture, Deuteronomy 32:1-4 "Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth. My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass: Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God. He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he”. The LORD all caps, he is OUR God as David said in Psalms 95:6-8, he is the ROCK as the apostle said. “and that “ROCK” is Christ. Let’s see what the apostle Peter said. 1 Peter 1:11 "Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow”. Hmmmmmm the apostles agree that CHRIST, his Spirit, which is only one Spirit was IN the prophets. Isaiah 1:10 "Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah”. well get out of here, the prophet Isaiah calls the LORD all caps “OUR God” also. the same Spirit (who is Christ, the ROCK) was IN them. Jeremiah 3:22 "Return, ye backsliding children, and I will heal your backslidings. Behold, we come unto thee; for thou art the LORD our God”. the prophet Jeremiah too?. Ezekiel 20:5 "And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the day when I chose Israel, and lifted up mine hand unto the seed of the house of Jacob, and made myself known unto them in the land of Egypt, when I lifted up mine hand unto them, saying, I am the LORD your God”. wait a minute, God himself just told us that he is “OUR God”. well case is close there. Must I go on?

    Next time, as we work our way to the beginning, we will examine Christ, the WORD as the first and the Last in Genesis 1:1.
     
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    Christ, the Holy Spirit, GOD.
    In the Hebrew Language, at Genesis 1:1 there are two untranslated letter, not a word, but two letter which are know as the Aleph, and the Tav, תא. in English, the First and the Last. In the Greek the Alpha and the Omega. What a proper identifying title for our God. I suggest one Google what the Aleph and the Tav means, so that we can be in agreement on what we are about to discussed.
    Again, starting from the last we then go to the first. Revelation 1:17 & 18 "And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death”. ok, the Lord Jesus said that he is the First and the Last. God (which is “a” Spirit) in Genesis 1:1 the H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiy, in the plural, says that he is the First and the Last, the aleph and the tav. Will the real first and last stand up. Let the record speak. Isaiah 44:6 "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.”. here, the LORD, ALL CAPS, is the first “AND” the last. We have prove in post#125 that the LORD all caps is the Lord JESUS himself, who is Christ, that was with them in the wilderness, who is the Holy Spirit that overthrew them. Again the same person, “I” single designation is GOD (a Spirit), who is JESUS. Because our Lord said in Revelation 1:17 that he is the first “and” the last. And the one who hold the title God in Genesis 1:1 said that he is the first and the last. But this God in Genesis 1:1 said he is a plurality of himself as the first and the last, the H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym. Hmmm sound like diversity to me…. (smile). well let’s have a look see, and let the record speak. Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he”. wait a minute, did not the Lord just say in Isaiah 44:6, above,he was the first “and” the last. And now he, the same person, is saying that he is the first “WITH” the last?. sound just like John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God”. with?. how can this be?. but wait, this same God, (who is “a” Spirit) said this. Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last”. STOP the press. He is “ALSO” first and last?. diversity, diversity, diversity. How can the SAME PERSON, be the first and, with, also the last. Hint, 1 Corinthians 12:4-6 "Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all”.

    Now lets see this Word before his flesh that was to come. Isaiah 35:4 "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you". your God (who is “A” Spirit). where did we hear that at before? Ezekiel 20:5 "And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the day when I chose Israel, and lifted up mine hand unto the seed of the house of Jacob, and made myself known unto them in the land of Egypt, when I lifted up mine hand unto them, saying, I am the LORD your God”. Oh, that's where we hear this before at. directly from God, the LORD. so according to Isaiah 35:4 it is the LORD all caps who came and SAVED US, see Isaiah 35:4 above. as David said, “Our God”, or as Thomas said concerning the risen Christ, MY Lord and My God. …. (smile). what “A” God we serve.

    I'll be out for a few weeks, vacation time. and my wife said that we, not her, but we are on vacation, so I know what that means. see ya when I get back.

    Be blessed.
     
  7. 101G

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    GINOLJC, the Holy Spirit is the only Person in the Godhead, who name is JESUS, and holds both titles of Son and Father. is there scripture in the bible that clearly without a doubt make this assessment true? yes the book of Acts. starting at chapter 9. when one answer who chose the apostle Paul as his minister, then name Saul, it will be clear that there is only ONE person is in the Godhead. just answer "who chose Paul, then Saul", as his messenger to the world, then one will know who the Son, and the Father is.

    be blessed, peace in Christ Jesus.
     
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    nope, you are definitely incorrect.

    Jesus specifically said:


    Mat_28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

    the father Abraham, the son who was offered (through which all of Israel was born of the father) Isaac, and Jacob who was renamed Israel and God referred to the people in the desert as the Children of Israel hence born of, representing the born of the Spirit. these there and the twelve sons are a prophecy of the and a description of the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob, now revealed to us in Christ.

    also in the beginning. there was God who created (the Power that Jesus now sits at the Right hand of)) His Spirit over the face of the waters (His Presence mind you since Jesus says God is Spirit) and then in His Presence in His creation He spoke, hence the Word of God from God, in the Presence of God revealed and then fulfilled to God's satisfaction because of the Power therein.


    and all living creatures have their life the expression of their life in their presence in the earth.
     
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    Good to see you again FHII :)
     
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    ha, you never give up lol, you don't think that might speak more to ppls hearing maybe?
     
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    well what's the personal name of the father, the son, and the Holy Spirit? according to Mat_28:19.

    "the Children of Israel hence born of, representing the born of the Spirit".
    are you sure? let's check the record. Romans 9:7 & 8 "Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed".
    now, you want to try again?


    "also in the beginning. there was God who created (the Power that Jesus now sits at the Right hand of)"
    That's an ignorant statement, because, 1 Corinthians 1:24 "But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God".


    "His Spirit over the face of the waters (His Presence mind you since Jesus says God is Spirit) and then in His Presence in His creation He spoke, hence the Word of God from God"
    another ignorant statement. John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God". the Word is God.
    and yes, God is "A", "A", "A" Spirit, meaning one. so if "his" Spirit is from him, Who is Spirit, and as you say is separate, then you have two Spirit, and that's anti bible, meaning anti Christ.

    DP, you need to study some more.
     
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    If teh bible was teh truth dont you think everyone would be walking in it....???
     
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    Interesting.
     
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    101G Well-Known Member

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    The book of Acts reveals the Lord Jesus as God almighty, the Holy Spirit.
    GINOLJC, to all. in the book of acts, the conversion of Paul, then named Saul is a key component in understanding "diversified oneness", meaning God is a single person, with one nature.
    The Book of Acts reveals this belief, starting with chapter 9. Acts 9:13 "Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name. But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel". Paul is chosen by the Lord Jesus. but some say Paul was chosen by "God", meaning the Father, for his Son Jesus. well let the bible speak and we'll see who Chose Paul, then named Saul.
    Paul at Jerusalem, speaking to the Jews, who later tried to kill him, gave them his personal account of his conversion with more detail, as to who really chose him in chapter 9. this account is given in chapter 22. Acts 22:12 "And one Ananias, a devout man according to the law, having a good report of all the Jews which dwelt there, Came unto me, and stood, and said unto me, Brother Saul, receive thy sight. And the same hour I looked up upon him. And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth". here, now as an apostle of Jesus Christ, repeats what Ananias, a disciple of the Lord Jesus said unto him. "The God of our fathers hath chosen thee". many here would say, see, I told you, the Father chose Paul for his Son the Lord Jesus. ok, just keep this word, "chosen" here in your mind, because it will be very important as to who "chose" Paul. understand the word "chosen" here is the Greek word,
    G4400 προχειρίζομαι procheirizomai (pro-chei-riy'-zo-mai) v.
    1. to handle for oneself in advance.
    2. (figuratively) to purpose.
    KJV: choose, make
    keep this definition on hand, because it's very important to know.

    but there is another account of the same event that the apostle Paul present before king Agrippa when he appeal his case. in chapter 26, with now even more detail, we can see what happen clearly. let's pick up the account. Acts 26:14-16 "And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest. But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee". ok, revelation time. here, the Lord Jesus said, that he appeared to Paul, and made him his MINISTER. so what's the revelation? it's in the word "to make". it's the same exact word for "chosen" in Chapter 22, G4400 προχειρίζομαι procheirizomai. so it was the Lord JESUS after all who made/chose Paul, then Saul his minister, who as Ananias said is the God of our Fathers. what a revelation. and here's the kicker, this Greek word G4400 προχειρίζομαι procheirizomai is only found here in these two places Acts 22, and chapter 26, rendered "chosen", and "make" respectively. so there is no excuse that the meaning could be something else. I suggest one research this out. it was the Lord Jesus, or as our brother Ananias said, "The GOD of our fathers", meaning the OT God, yes, that's Jesus the Christ, the ONE and ONLY person who is God.

    Now the finishing touch. the next step is to know who sent or commission him, the Lord Jesus, the Holy Spirit. we now know that it was the Lord Jesus who "chose", or "Made" Paul his minister, now he recount the experience, continuing in chapter 22 as to who sent him. let the bible speak. Acts 22:17 "And it came to pass, that, when I was come again to Jerusalem, even while I prayed in the temple, I was in a trance; 18 And saw him saying unto me, Make haste, and get thee quickly out of Jerusalem: for they will not receive thy testimony concerning me 19 And I said, Lord, they know that I imprisoned and beat in every synagogue them that believed on thee: 20 And when the blood of thy martyr Stephen was shed, I also was standing by, and consenting unto his death, and kept the raiment of them that slew him. 21 And he said unto me, Depart: for I will send thee far hence unto the Gentiles”. who will send him? let's see this commission he's talking about, and who commission him. Acts 13:2 "As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them. 3 And when they had fasted and prayed, and laid their hands on them, they sent them away. 4 So they, being sent forth by the Holy Ghost, departed unto Seleucia; and from thence they sailed to Cyprus”. wait a minute, did not the apostle say that the Lord Jesus would send him in Acts 22:21? well it's true, he did, for the one who sent him is the Lord Jesus, the Holy Spirit, the God of our fathers as Ananias said.

    what have we learned? a. the Lord Jesus is the only true God, and that there's no one else, (person) beside him. b. the Lord Jesus do appear unto people, that just answered another topic. c. the word "chosen", and "make" is the same word used, as to the identity of the ONE who made that choice for Paul to be his minister. d. it is revealed that the Lord Jesus is the Holy Spirit in manifestation. I suggest one re-read this post for clarity.

    peace in Christ Jesus
     
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    hmm. The Bible is obviously not the Book of Truth--which is referenced in the Bible, right--and is not even trying to be, and no, i don't think denying self to commit to service and losing your family as you have done and/or more, going outside the camp, becoming a pariah would appeal to most people, it doesn't even appeal to most believers, right. Doesn't Scripture plainly state that the Word divides us, joints from marrow, family members against each other, etc, what do you expect Word once removed to do?

    Notice how what it actually does quite closely mirrors your relationship with people, your perspective on others? Notice how It continues to do this, even as/when your perspective changes? Maybe you have, or haven't, and i don't want to say too much more, or be called a liar, but notice those passages that you have no clue about, and no one else ever talks about them because they don't either, like Nehushtan et al? Although that one is pretty easy.

    An assault on your perspective is what is going on, and you see that when you try to quote some of this "untruth" that you have found in the Bible that offends you, ppl are like what are you talking about, that is obviously an example of what not to do or whatever, but these legit replies do not seem sufficient to you, right
     
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    ha, that Book is magic, innit? It's still functioning perfectly, is It not?


    It fillets people lol, 'here, have a gander' :)
     
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    What?! And get filleted myself? <chuckle>
     
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    Quoting from the Bible:
    "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6

    Jesus says that He is the Truth, yet, if He is, why is everyone not walking in Him?

    Many did not recognize him for what he was.

    Among those who did recognise who he was some still would not follow him since it meant giving up something [mammon] that they held too precious to them.

    Among those who both recognized who he was and also were willing to put themselves into him, it was sometimes a more difficult walk than it could or should have been...

    Is it not the highway of holiness? Why is the Way full of obstacles? Why are there distractions which may cause us to take our eyes off of Him even for a moment?
     
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