The Hour of Temptation

[Helen]

The context is unambiguous. The temptation is to give up your CROWN before the grand finale of his return. Vs 11 'I am coming soon. Hold on to what you have so that no one will take your crown'
It is the crown of which Paul refers to is our most precious faith.
Treasure needs guarding. If not it WILL be lost, stolen or forgotten.

Faith is not a collection of doctrines. One can have all the doctrines right and still not know their author. Faith that the scriptures speak of is that which is anchored in relationship and peace with the Father of lights. It is our faith that is under attack.

We live in days where misrepresentation abounds. Context is violated to fit into favourite misconceptions which pride and prejudice enamours with smooth and slippery arguments.

Excellent...loved that!!

 

[charity]

But do you not recognize that (Rev. 1-3) is to the Church?
Stranger

Hello @Stranger

Revelation, chapters 1-3, does not relate to the Church which is the Body of Christ, of which Christ is the Head.

Love and Grace.
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Stranger]

Hello @Stranger

Revelation, chapters 1-3, does not relate to the Church which is the Body of Christ, of which Christ is the Head.

Love and Grace.
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Why not? (Rev. 1:4) "John to the seven churches which are in Asia:..."

Stranger

 

[charity]

Why not? (Rev. 1:4) "John to the seven churches which are in Asia:..."
Stranger

Hi @Stranger,

The seven churches (ekklesia = called out companies), literal and actual as they are; are representations of the people of God on the earth at the time of the fulfillment of this prophetic period, 'the day of the Lord' or (the Lord's day).

* Rev.2:1,8,12,18; 3:1,7,14, all use the words, 'unto the angel of the church of ----- '.

* Paul's epistles never refer to angels in connection with 'The Church of the One Body', or the wider believing company of Christendom.

*The 'angel of the assembly' was an officer, who was called 'Sheliach Tzibbur', The 'Angel' or Legate of the Assembly, and the Leader of Divine worship . The chief officer of the assembly was the Archisynagogos, or 'Ruler of the Synagogue', and after him came the 'Sheliach Tzibbur'; or 'Angel of the Assembly,' who was the mouthpiece of the congregation. His duty was to offer up public prayer to God for the whole congregation. Hence his title; because, as the 'messenger' (angel) of the assembly, he spoke to God for them.

* These are believing Jews during 'the day of the Lord,' or, 'the Lord's day'.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Stranger]

Hi @Stranger,

The seven churches (ekklesia = called out companies), literal and actual as they are; are representations of the people of God on the earth at the time of the fulfillment of this prophetic period, 'the day of the Lord' or (the Lord's day).

* Rev.2:1,8,12,18; 3:1,7,14, all use the words, 'unto the angel of the church of ----- '.

* Paul's epistles never refer to angels in connection with 'The Church of the One Body', or the wider believing company of Christendom.

*The 'angel of the assembly' was an officer, who was called 'Sheliach Tzibbur', The 'Angel' or Legate of the Assembly, and the Leader of Divine worship . The chief officer of the assembly was the Archisynagogos, or 'Ruler of the Synagogue', and after him came the 'Sheliach Tzibbur'; or 'Angel of the Assembly,' who was the mouthpiece of the congregation. His duty was to offer up public prayer to God for the whole congregation. Hence his title; because, as the 'messenger' (angel) of the assembly, he spoke to God for them.

* These are believing Jews during 'the day of the Lord,' or, 'the Lord's day'.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

If the seven churches are literal and actual,as you say, then they are part of the Body of Christ. There is nothing to indicate that they are on the earth at the time of the Tribulation.

There is nothing to indicate that the 7 churches are believing Jews during the Tribulation or the 'Day of the LORD'. Where do you dream this up?

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

Hi @Stranger,

The seven churches (ekklesia = called out companies), literal and actual as they are; are representations of the people of God on the earth at the time of the fulfillment of this prophetic period, 'the day of the Lord' or (the Lord's day).

* Rev.2:1,8,12,18; 3:1,7,14, all use the words, 'unto the angel of the church of ----- '.

* Paul's epistles never refer to angels in connection with 'The Church of the One Body', or the wider believing company of Christendom.

*The 'angel of the assembly' was an officer, who was called 'Sheliach Tzibbur', The 'Angel' or Legate of the Assembly, and the Leader of Divine worship . The chief officer of the assembly was the Archisynagogos, or 'Ruler of the Synagogue', and after him came the 'Sheliach Tzibbur'; or 'Angel of the Assembly,' who was the mouthpiece of the congregation. His duty was to offer up public prayer to God for the whole congregation. Hence his title; because, as the 'messenger' (angel) of the assembly, he spoke to God for them.

* These are believing Jews during 'the day of the Lord,' or, 'the Lord's day'.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

That there are Jews saved during the Tribulation, or the 'Day of the Lord', yes. You find them in (Rev. 7:1-8) (Rev. 14:1-5).

And there are great number of Gentiles saved during the Tribulation. (Rev. 7:9-17)

But though they are saved, this does not make either group part of the Church.

Stranger

 

[charity]

But though they are saved, this does not make either group part of the Church.

Exactly!

 

[Enoch111]

(Rev. 3:10) "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth."

What is it?

Since it will *come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth* this is none other than the period which includes the Tribulation and the Great Tribulation.

 

[Stranger]

Since it will *come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth* this is none other than the period which includes the Tribulation and the Great Tribulation.

Yes, it will involve the 7 year period of the Tribulation.

Stranger

 

[VictoryinJesus]

You say you have been delivered from evil. Have you?

Psalm 97:10
[10] Ye that love the Lord , hate evil: he preserveth the souls of his saints; he delivereth them out of the hand of the wicked.

Have we been delivered out of the hand of the wicked?

 

[Truth7t7]

That there are Jews saved during the Tribulation, or the 'Day of the Lord', yes. You find them in (Rev. 7:1-8) (Rev. 14:1-5).

And there are great number of Gentiles saved during the Tribulation. (Rev. 7:9-17)

But though they are saved, this does not make either group part of the Church.

Stranger

You use the statement of Jews And Gentiles coming to salvation, and not being part of Christ's Church, how so?

 

[Stranger]

You use the statement of Jews And Gentiles coming to salvation, and not being part of Christ's Church, how so?

Because the Church is complete and called out at the Rapture. God then picks up with Israel where He left off with them after they crucified their Messiah. Many Gentiles are saved at this time also. They are the Tribulation saints. Not part of Israel, and not part of the Church.

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

Psalm 97:10
[10] Ye that love the Lord , hate evil: he preserveth the souls of his saints; he delivereth them out of the hand of the wicked.

Have we been delivered out of the hand of the wicked?

During our walk as a Christian in this life, at times we are delivered out and at times we are delivered into. It all depends on what God is doing with us.

None of this speaks against the event of the Rapture. The Rapture is not an event whose sole purpose is to avoid evil or testing. It's purpose is to remove the Church from the earth because all that is going to transpire in the Tribulation period does not concern the Church. It concerns the final hour of Israel's judgement and judgement upon an unbelieving world.

Stranger

 

[Truth7t7]

Because the Church is complete and called out at the Rapture. God then picks up with Israel where He left off with them after they crucified their Messiah. Many Gentiles are saved at this time also. They are the Tribulation saints. Not part of Israel, and not part of the Church.

Stranger

Step #1 there is no secret pre-trib rapture a false teaching from John N. DARBY 1830'S and C.I. Scofield 1909.

Yes the church will go through the tribulation.

So you have saved believers in Jesus Christ (2) groups of righteous saved, and they are not part of the Bride?
Then you have a separate group Jews, creating (3) different groups of God's saved.

That's a big smile!

 

[Stranger]

Step #1 there is no secret pre-trib rapture a false teaching from John N. DARBY 1830'S and C.I. Scofield 1909.

Yes the church will go through the tribulation.

So you have saved believers in Jesus Christ (2) groups of righteous saved, and they are not part of the Bride?
Then you have a separate group Jews, creating (3) different groups of God's saved.

That's a big smile!

I didn't say anything about 'secret'. Just because you disagree with the Rapture does not make it 'false teaching'. And it does not make Darby or Scofield false teachers. Such statements from you show you know very little of Dispensational doctrine.

Stranger

 

[Enoch111]

Revelation, chapters 1-3, does not relate to the Church which is the Body of Christ, of which Christ is the Head.

Since this portion deals with churches, and within all churches there will be those are in the Body of Christ, one cannot say that the Church is excluded. And what is said by Christ is applicable to every church today which has corresponding issues or commendations.

 

[Truth7t7]

I didn't say anything about 'secret'. Just because you disagree with the Rapture does not make it 'false teaching'. And it does not make Darby or Scofield false teachers. Such statements from you show you know very little of Dispensational doctrine.

Stranger

Study the life of C.I. Scofield, the greatest influence planting the (Pre-Trib) rapture and dispensationalism in minds and hearts of the unaware, through his 1909 reference bible.

He was a liar to his Dallas Church on his marital status, who left his wife (Leotine) and two daughters (Abigail & Helene) stranded in Kansas Without Support, as he ran off with Hettie Van Wark from his Sunday school class 18 years younger (Adultery)

Luke 16:18KJV
Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.

Lewis Sperry Chaffee was his pupil, and they started Dallas Theological Seminary, #1 school for dispensationalist, Hal Lindsey, Tim La Haye, David Jeremiah, Chuck Swindoll, J. Vernon Mcgee, Charles Ryrie, on and on.

If it wasn't for the Lying Adulterer C. I. Scofield, dispensationalism would not be alive today.

"A Corrupt Tree Can't Bring Forth Good Fruit"

Matthew 7:18KJV
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

 

[Enoch111]

The seven churches (ekklesia = called out companies), literal and actual as they are; are representations of the people of God on the earth at the time of the fulfillment of this prophetic period, 'the day of the Lord' or (the Lord's day).

1. The day of the Lord is definitely not "the Lord's Day". The day of the Lord is a period of terrible divine judgments. See Joel 2 (and many other Scriptures). The Lord's Day is the Christian sabbath -- the first day of the week (Sunday) when Christians gather to worship. So your conclusion above is totally incorrect. Those seven churches were actually in existence at the time those letters were written.

* Paul's epistles never refer to angels in connection with 'The Church of the One Body', or the wider believing company of Christendom.

2. Actually Paul mentions angels in connection with gatherings of Christians for worship. The holy angels do observe what happens in Christian churches. Speaking of Christian women who are required to wear head coverings during worship, Paul says: For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels. (1 Cor 11:10).

*The 'angel of the assembly' was an officer...

3. You are referring to synagogues while Christ is addressing Christian churches. Big difference. There is no reason to assume that "angel" does not mean an actual angelic messenger. We see angels appearing as men and communicating directly with people in the New Testament. So we need not doubt that because the messages were coming directly from the Lord Himself, that actual angels were commissioned to deliver those messages.

 

[Enoch111]

Study the life of C.I. Scofield, the greatest influence planting the (Pre-Trib) rapture and dispensationalism in minds and hearts of the unaware, through his 1909 reference bible.

Actually the original Scofield Reference Bible is an EXCELLENT study Bible, and you are attempting to denigrate Scofield. As to "minds of hearts of unaware" that is an unacceptable aspersion, since Christians using Scofield's Bible are also taught by the Holy Spirit to discern truth from error.

He was a liar to his Dallas Church on his marital status, who left his wife (Mary) and two daughters (Abigail & Helene) stranded in Kansas, as he ran off with Hettie Van Wark from his Sunday school class 18 years younger (Adultery)

Slandering Scofield (or any other Christian) does not do you any credit. Stick with the subject instead of making ad hominem remarks.

Evidently you have no use for Dispensationalism or Scofield but that is simply your personal bias and prejudice. A fair-minded Christian would genuinely appreciate the work that Scofield has done, which has blessed thousands, if not tens of thousands of Christians.

 

[Truth7t7]

Actually the original Scofield Reference Bible is an EXCELLENT study Bible, and you are attempting to denigrate Scofield. As to "minds of hearts of unaware" that is an unacceptable aspersion, since Christians using Scofield's Bible are also taught by the Holy Spirit to discern truth from error.

Slandering Scofield (or any other Christian) does not do you any credit. Stick with the subject instead of making ad hominem remarks.

Evidently you have no use for Dispensationalism or Scofield but that is simply your personal bias and prejudice. A fair-minded Christian would genuinely appreciate the work that Scofield has done, which has blessed thousands, if not tens of thousands of Christians.

C. I. Scofield was a liar to his Dallas Church on his marital status, who left his wife (Leotine) and two daughters (Abigail & Helene) stranded in Kansas Without Support, as he ran off with Hettie Van Wark from his Sunday school class in Dallas 18 years younger (Adultery)

C.I Scofield died in the sin of Adultery, while remaining married to Hettie Van Wark, while his wife Leotine and two daughter Abigail and Helene lived.

Hettie Van Wark was secretary to the C.I Scofield Reference Notes, she is buried next to C.I. Scofield, in Flushing cemetery New York.

Luke 16:18KJV
Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.

C.I. Scofield Is A Corrupt Tree, "A Corrupt Tree Can't Bring Forth Good Fruit"

Matthew 7:18KJV
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.