Revelation 11:8 "And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified". where OUR Lord was crucified is to tell us where (the city) one of the two witness was martyr. he just told you. this is the City Identity of the battle, read verse 7. because the great city Jerusalem is that great city. Richard, Richard how hard is it?.
now you said, "I already did". who, I missed it.
Thank you. Now you have entered into discussion. You managed a whole reply to me without saying that I was in error or that you corrected me.
Since you use the TR based KJV, I am going to use the WH based ASV.
For the sake of this, I using 54 to 65 CE as the time of writing. It could have been as late as 68 CE, but no later, and even that is not likely as the burning of Jerusalem occurred circa 66 CE which imo places the writing of Revelation as prior to 66 CE. But still after 54 CE.
Rev 11:2 And the court which is without the temple leave without, and measure it not; for it hath been given unto the nations: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
Was the city trampled underfoot by the nations for 42 months during the time of Jesus and JohntB? No.
Rev 11:3 And I
will give unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Future tense as of 54 - 65 CE.
Rev 11:6 These have the power to shut the heaven, that it rain not during the days of their prophecy: and they have power over the waters to turn them into blood, and to smite the earth with every plague, as often as they shall desire.
Historically speaking, or should I say, Biblically speaking, what two did such as the above?
Rev 11:7 And when they
shall have finished their testimony, the beast that cometh up out of the abyss shall make war with them, and overcome them, and kill them.
Again, the use of future tense. The beast that comes up out the abyss: Who is that "beast"? Are you claiming that particular "beast" is Rome and Judah? Or, Rome or Judah?
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord
was crucified.
Back to the verse in question: Certainly, as you have stated, it identifies the city. But as of the time of writing, circa 54-65 CE, it speaks of the crucifixion as past tense. So while it identifies the city, it does not identify Jesus and JohntB.
Now whether it is "our" or "their", is more a matter of semantics. And is pointless to this discussion. Again, their bodies lie in the street.
Rev 11:9 And from among the peoples and tribes and tongues and nations do men look upon their dead bodies three days and a half, and suffer not their dead bodies to be laid in a tomb.
Their dead bodies are looked upon for three and half days. Not laid in a tomb. Jesus is clearly recorded as having been laid in a tomb. As for JohntB, we are not clearly told.
Rev 11:11 And after the three days and a half the breath of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them that beheld them.
After three and half days of laying in the street, the breath of life enters into them. Do you have any testimony whatsoever to support that this happened with regard to JohntB?
Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And
they went up into heaven in the cloud; and their enemies beheld
them.
They and them. They were called up. There is no testimony / witness of such having occurred to JohntB, nor of they/them being called up together.
Rev 11:13 And in that hour there was a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell; and there were killed in the earthquake seven thousand persons: and the rest were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
Do you have any testimony / witness to a tenth part of the city having fallen with the earthquake that occurred upon the death of Jesus, or the one that occurred when the stone was rolled away?
That the stone was rolled away, is testimony / witness enough, to prove that Jesus was not one of the "two witnesses" of Revelation 11.
Rev 11:14 The second Woe is past: behold, the third Woe cometh quickly.
The first woe, was in Revelation 9, and the sixth angel sounded:
Rev 9:11 They have over them as king the angel of the abyss: his name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in the Greek tongue he hath the name Apollyon.
Rev 9:12 The first Woe is past: behold, there come yet two Woes hereafter.
Rev 9:13 And the sixth angel sounded ...
Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there followed great voices in heaven, and they said, The kingdom of the world is become the kingdom of our Lord, and of his Christ: and he shall reign for ever and ever.
The seventh angel sounds. Which, I will not go into here, as I do not wish to allow opportunity to get sidetracked.
Rev 11:18c ... and the time of the dead to be judged, and the time to give their reward to thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and to them that fear thy name, the small and the great; and to destroy them that destroy the earth.
Which, is still clearly future. Even to one who is nearly a preterist such as myself.
Edit: Further in your reply, you stated and I quote: "
where (the city) one of the two witness was martyr". However, if you notice the consistent language of Revelation 11, they were together in the city, they died and rose together, they were taken up together. You can not support Jesus and JohntB in that manner.
The language employed imo also disallows an interpretation of the OT / NT as the "two witnesses".
let's stay on topic.
