The Iran situation

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JohnDB

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It doesn't seem this will be likely.
The military would have to decide to reject the govt.
Ummmm....
That's not how this usually works.
You know how people are....they wait until they get the soldiers individually alone and isolated....and then attack in hordes. Gaining weapons and munitions with each case of isolation.

And when the government no longer delivers messages, food, water and supplies to the troops....they abandon post in droves.
It's happened in numerous situations over and over again. Don't expect things to change just because it's Iran.

In this case....the military needs to stand down and dissolve....just like they did in Iraq. When it happens it will be like a cascade of dominoes.
 

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The true islamic believers haven't gone anywhere

Islam teaches that if one dies defending islam (which they claim) they go straight to Heaven and get 25 vegans
But that nation that doesn't exist unless Mohammed was a liar and false prophet is still kicking their but.

This war has a LOT of implications....more than just a win or loss.
 
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The Iranian people are against this government.
But I also think that they've been oppressed for so long that they don't really know how to even protest anymore.
Fear of the government might surely also have something to do with this.
If the ayatollah fell tomorrow...they'd be very happy.

If the good do nothing...the evil flourish....
because they have NO MORAL values!
True. But it was the same situation in Iraq when we deposed Saddam Hussein. Sure, the Iraqis were happy about it. But then they became angry and began to hate us due to the collapse of the government, the economy, and everything else.

The US military is very good at defeating it's enemies. But it has a very poor track record when it comes to nation building and fighting insurgents long-term. So I'm very skeptical that this will turn out the way we think it will. I'm also very suspicious of the Israelis and their motives.
 

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True. But it was the same situation in Iraq when we deposed Saddam Hussein. Sure, the Iraqis were happy about it. But then they became angry and began to hate us due to the collapse of the government, the economy, and everything else.

The US military is very good at defeating it's enemies. But it has a very poor track record when it comes to nation building and fighting insurgents long-term. So I'm very skeptical that this will turn out the way we think it will. I'm also very suspicious of the Israelis and their motives.
From what I hear, I think that the goal is not to change the regime in Iran.
What happened in Iraq was due to the fact that there was no plan in place for AFTER Hussein was deposed.
There was a vacuum in power and evil took over.

I think Trump knows this would be a problem.
He's also thinking a lot about bombing the bunker the Ayatollah is in due to repercussions.
I think he's trying to do what's best for the US.

War is a horror.
But it happens because some nations are evil,
just like some persons are evil and cause grief to others.
 
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Iran could agree to peace terms once the nuke plant was destroyed. No more nukes. I've heard this story through four presidents. Remember the UN inspectors?
 
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Iran could agree to peace terms once the nuke plant was destroyed. No more nukes. I've heard this story through four presidents. Remember the UN inspectors?
I remember that Obama sent a plane full of cash. Billions.
I remember that Iran wouldn't let the inspectors in.
I'm hearing that when this stops they'll just go back to making the plants and bomb again.
And who knows what we don't know??!
 
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But that nation that doesn't exist unless Mohammed was a liar and false prophet is still kicking their but.

This war has a LOT of implications....more than just a win or loss.

None the less, the true believers are very willing to die for their lie.



They said too many leave the army and desert if a war starts.

That's a good thing!




Not all left because someone is launching rockets from Iran.

Must be those true believers in islam.
 

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None the less, the true believers are very willing to die for their lie.
Yes because they are required to defend Islam with their lives.

Christians are simply required to give a defense of what they believe and why they believe it....we don't need to defend a prophet or Jesus or God. They are more than able to defend themselves. We need them. They do not need us.
 

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Christians are simply required to give a defense of what they believe and why they believe it....we don't need to defend a prophet or Jesus or God. They are more than able to defend themselves. We need them. They do not need us.

Yep, Jesus is a Big Boy.

The BIGGEST Boy, so Big He's the Almighty and vengeance belongs to Him.

Nobody will escape His judgement and it's a fearful thing to fall in to the hands of The Living God

No matter who comes against us, they are so small compared to the Lord and His Mighty Power.

This is one of numerous reasons why real Christians don't fear death if someone threatens to kill them for being a Christian.

Those in fear of dying are not right with the Lord and had better repent of their fear and get with Jesus' program!
 

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Well, here we are again about to embark on yet another misadventure in this stupid desert that can never just be peaceful.

I think that President Trump should keep us out of the war. Netanyahu attacked the nation of Iran while negotiations between Iran and the US were still ongoing.

His intentions are obvious. He wishes to drag the United States into a wider conflict in the Middle East. And like clockwork, the Christian evangelicals are completely onboard for what could turn into another world war if other powers get involved, which they most likely will.

It's terribly disappointing to see this level of stupidity and ignorance. One would think you people would have learned from Afghanistan and Iraq, but no. No lessons were learned, and we're just gonna do it all again.
Simply put Iran can not have Nuclear weapons ! because they are a total bastard that will use such to force their way and dominate over all, even threatten the USA and the West you fools !
There Leadership is totaly nuts !

No Nuclear weapons for Iran ! That's the issue !

So stop them from gaining such a Power is a 100% must do ! and the Socialist West has sat on it's hands and brought this all on in fact and that total idiot Joe Biden and Obama were in support of helping Iran get such in fact, many outright underhanded things were going on by them as well and even letting Russia play a part in suplying such deals they made !
Not that the Media did shine a light on that, nor will it, because the Media is dominated by Socialist intent !

The Media look to the majorty of people as total fools in fact ! That's simple, as they play people for fools 24/7 and get away with it all !

Look at the MSM This Media is a total Whore ! They support Iran and have showen their true spots as being what they call Anti-Semitic !

The Socialist use idiot words like Anti-Semitic ? as a type of weapon ! Satanic in that such has nothing to do with Semitic people truly at all, but it's a deversion of Tactics ! such a wide scope can be inturpreted in such regards ? a word ? so it can cloud over such topics ! and the average Joe Blow will not pick up on the real topic at hand, like being half a sleep at the wheel or drunk on the subject being put forward ?

So when mentioning the Jews say ? well the topic is so vauge ! like as in regards what type of Jews are the topic ? So That topic is clouded over and the average Westener has not a clue, nor cares less for such details. one is forbidden to pin point or bring to light the real issues.

Oh ! Not all Jews are the same ! Have we just woke up ? you have been toled all Jews are the same for how many years ?

Ok lets just look at the State that is called Israel ? well they have Socialist Partys in fact ! and what are the Socialist Playing at ?
That is the Key issue !
They are playing like a dead duck in the water, not to be seen, hidden or hiden some what in the reeds say. out of main View !
The Jewish Soicialist have been using cunning warfair tactics against the PM of Israel for how long now ?

Now the Socialist demand and believe in what they claim to call a 2 State solution ?

Now The Media MSM do not tell anyone what this Soulution truly is in fact !
They peddle this, as if it's a solution ! but told no one how it will truly work in fact !
You the moron just is played, as if it's the answer ! It's the Solution !

It's not the Solution at all in fact ! It's just another brainwashing tactic ! they are trying to sell you a product, that is in fact an outright full on scam in fact !

Well Socialism is just that the biggest Scam ever ! as it undermines the people ! and turns the People into Slaves of the Satanic PC system ? fact is that Socialist Government intent is truly so as to own you !
Such Governments do not want anyone questioning them in fact ! and in time you will end up with no true foundations in regards your real true rights to call a Government out !

Then we can see that such is in fact in bed with the Same deal within the Power over the people in the Islamic world and that must be the love afair of the Socialist and Islamic world view ?
It's all Key issues of You can not do This or That ! and no rights to question any such ! and the Media god will tell you all how to think and act ! or Islam will !
Regardless Islam will win out over Socialism or Communism in the end ! because they are smarter !

The Socialist Jews are in bed with the Talmud and Islam is just a creation of the Talmud !
 

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And no declaration of war from the Congress. Iran will just rebuild the facilities in a year or two and we'll be right back where we started. That's why Bibi wants regime change, but Trump is reluctant to go that far. No doubt his military advisors have told him how much of a disaster a ground war would be.
 

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And no declaration of war from the Congress.

Does that trouble you? (It doesn’t me.)

The president will address the nation at 10:00 p.m. (EST). The ball is in Iran’s court now.

Iran will just rebuild the facilities in a year or two and we'll be right back where we started. That's why Bibi wants regime change, but Trump is reluctant to go that far. No doubt his military advisors have told him how much of a disaster a ground war would be.

”Interesting tidbit about war I’ve learned from examining the history of all human existence… it never really ends. It just takes short breaks.”


Only one thing will put a permanent end to war - maranatha.
 

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Does that trouble you? (It doesn’t me.)
Yes, it does. Primarily because now no one really can define what war is. Were these strikes an act of war? Well, I guess it depends on who you ask. A declaration of war is far more concrete and much easier to understand.

It's also really absurd that the United States feels it can violate another nation's sovereignty, while vigorously complaining about Mexico violating American sovereignty. By America's own standards, Russia did nothing wrong by invading Ukraine.
 

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Yes, it does. Primarily because now no one really can define what war is. Were these strikes an act of war? Well, I guess it depends on who you ask.

Ask the Iranians. They’ll soon let us know.

A declaration of war is far more concrete and much easier to understand.

It's also really absurd that the United States feels it can violate another nation's sovereignty, while vigorously complaining about Mexico violating American sovereignty. By America's own standards, Russia did nothing wrong by invading Ukraine.

My citizenship is in heaven. I live as a resident alien in the world. My standards aren’t the standards of the world. (If the standards of the world were my standards, there would be no wars. The nations would have beaten their swords into ploughshares. The nations would be the kingdom of heaven.)
 
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