I have the confirmation of "FOUR' witnesses,...The Father of The Lord God Almighty, The Lord God Almighty, The Holy Ghost, and, The Lord of Hosts/Son of Man. No man bears witness to they who experience Numbers 12:6. No man has been a witness to Isaiah seeing the figure on the throne. No man has been a witness to John's experience per the book of Revelation. No man was a witness to Stephen seeing Christ standing on the right hand of God (Acts 7:55-56). No man was a witness to Moses being in the presence of God, when he received the ten commandments. No man was a witness to The Holy Ghost 'coming upon' Mary. God does what He does, in a way that He chooses.
What does God have as Witnesses to establish a word in creation?
1 Samuel 1:23And Elkanah her husband said unto her, Do what seemeth thee good; tarry until thou have weaned him; o
nly the Lord establish his word. So the woman abode, and gave her son suck until she weaned him.
2 Samuel 7:25And now, O Lord God,
the word that thou hast spoken concerning thy servant, and concerning his house,
establish it for ever, and do as thou hast said.
How can God establish a word in according to His words, unless He has two other Witnesses?
Deuteronomy 17:6At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death.
Deuteronomy 19:15One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.
New Testament confirms His word for establishing a word and for judging any one remains true.
Matthew 18:16But if he will not hear thee,
then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
2 Corinthians 13:1This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.
What does God have as Witnesses to judge any one or to establish a word in creation??
More than just the Father, but the Holy Ghost as well, because 1 John 5:7 belongs in scripture. Here are exra-biblical references of 1 John 5:7 originally belonging in scripture.
"250 AD Cyprian of Carthage, wrote, "And again, of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost it is written: "And the three are One" in his
On The Lapsed, On the Novatians, (
see note for Old Latin)
350 AD Priscillian referred to it [Corpus Scriptorum Ecclesiasticorum Latinorum, Academia Litterarum Vindobonensis, vol. xviii, p. 6.]
350 AD Idacius Clarus referred to it [Patrilogiae Cursus Completus, Series Latina by Migne, vol. 62, col. 359.]
350 AD Athanasius referred to it in his
De Incarnatione
398 AD Aurelius Augustine used it to defend Trinitarianism in
De Trinitate against the heresy of Sabellianism
415 AD Council of Carthage appealed to 1 John 5:7 when debating the Arian belief (Arians didn't believe in the deity of Jesus Christ)
450-530 AD Several orthodox African writers quoted the verse when defending the doctrine of the Trinity against the gainsaying of the Vandals. These writers are:
A) Vigilius Tapensis in
"Three Witnesses in Heaven"
B) Victor Vitensis in his
Historia persecutionis [Corpus Scriptorum Ecclesiasticorum Latinorum, Academia Litterarum Vindobonensis, vol. vii, p. 60.]
C) Fulgentius in
"The Three Heavenly Witnesses" [Patrilogiae Cursus Completus, Series Latina by Migne, vol. 65, col. 500.]
For other scripture that proves the Holy Spirit is also a Witness and not just the Father being the other Witness.
John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father,
even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.16
The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
So let s look at 1 John 5:7 again in the KJV.
1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. 9 If we receive the witness of men,
the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
For God's words to be true, then 1 John 5:7 belongs in scripture because without it, how can anyone see that God's witness is greater than the witness of men? Without verse 7, the witness in earth in verse 8 would be greater than the witness in Heaven for verse 9 to be in opposition to verse 8.
Obviously, a lot of believers back then had the problem with the doctrine of the Trinity and omitted scripture to settle & to avoid the dispute.
The flips side of the problem today is that believers use the doctrine of the Trinity as if that is how God wants us to come to Him in worship, and it is not.
The Holy Spirit dwells in us to lead us to honor the Son by testifying of Him in worship to glorify the Son; and by Him, God the Father AND not Himself. So the Holy Spirit is not leading believes to worship Himself nor to honor Himself in worship, but to honor & worship the Son and by Him, God the Father.
John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: 27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.
John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.14
He shall glorify me:.......
That is what a witness does.... to avoid being a false witness.
John 5:31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
John 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.
Is there unrighteousness in the Holy Spirit? No. So He will not lead believers to speak of Himself in seeking His own glory, but of the Lord Jesus Christ.
The Holy Spirit is a Witness for it is by sharing like testimomny of the Son in worship is how each of us as individual believer's witness is true in worship.
John 8:17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.
That is how we worship God in spirit and in truth by coming to the Son anywhere to worship God the Father by.