BeyondET
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Cain and Abel both spoke to God, certainly not from some kind of darkness.
and in garden of Eden, where else was God but the garden
and in garden of Eden, where else was God but the garden
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There is not a shred of evidence in Scripture, and in your post that the sons of God are angels.
Stop corrupting God's Word with apostate church teachings.
Where is written that Adam and Eve were to remain silent about a creator God to their children, that's what I'm saying about some of things you say. No way Seth was ignorant of God.No one is claiming Adam became an atheist. Adam was not dumb. Adam lost fellowship with God. Seth knew nothing about God. It was Enos who started calling out to God. About 6 generations later we have Noah, about the only righteous human on earth. So what happened besides sin getting the better of all parties? Any generation on earth can stop listening to the Holy Spirit. It would not take that long to plung the whole world into sin, nor turn the whole world back to righteousness. It is not a popularity contest.
Tim I not quite follow. You state the Sons of God were not sinners by birth until they had sinful offspring. You be referring to the angels there ? If so what about the angelic rebellion in heaven. Would they not have inherited sin in their rebellion with Lucifer. You than go on to to say ( But these offspring were causing corruption in the spiritual aspect of who they were. I’m guessing that your referring to the angelic-human offspring that were born here. You than go on to say ( that each generation born and became worse and worse. And not all those created on the 6th day did that ) Well only Adam and Eve along with the cattle, beasts and every creeping thing on the 6th day were created. Tim who are the others that were created on the 6th day that you mention ? You might have to explain to me moreThe sons of God were not sinners by birth, until they had sinful offspring. And it did not matter if it went both ways, and males from Seth's line procreated with the females created on the 6th day, the sons of God were in a glorified condition, soul, body, and spirit. Adam's offspring through Seth had a sin nature soul, and a physical body of sin and death, and no spirit, as they were spiritually dead, and no access to the Holy Spirit as far as we know. They had to purpose in their minds to not let sin keep them in bondage, like Noah purposed to be righteous despite his sin nature. The sons of God were perfect in all ways without a sinful nature nor a sin cursed body. So procreation, did not clean up Adam's fallen flesh. What it did was start to create rebellion in the offspring of the sons of God. Their holy spirit tied to God's divine glory was in direct opposition to who they were becoming. That is why God took Adam and Eve's spirit and left them spiritually dead. But these offspring were causing corruption in the spiritual aspect of who they were. They were literally demonizing their spirit with the sin nature of Seth's descendants. That is why each generation born became worse and worse. And not all those created on the 6th day did that. God removed the sons of God prior to the Flood and the same will happen at the Second Coming before the final harvest. The church will be removed before Jesus as King deals with the rest of humanity in judgment. Noah and the ark represent those sealed during this time of great tribulation who have to endure as the firstfruits of the Millennium.
Youre correct, Satan is just the adversary. I’ve never said otherwise. No contradiction. Thank you for responding too, but I’m currently talking to 2 others on this. So the points arnt confused with their replies, I’ll only be discussing it with them atm."Satan" isn't a proper name anyways so you are contradicting your own point.
Because the word “lucifer” is Latin from the Vulgate, that’s why. And it’s important to understand what the word means and how many times it was used.
No, that’s not always true. If we take the name Sara, does every Sara in the Bible translate to laughter instead of Sara? No, it doesn’t. One, it’s based on context. Two, it’s based upon what is said. What’s the difference? What is said: My name is Sara, and that means laughter. We are given the meaning.
Instead: John was full of Sara. Incorrect. John was full of laughter.
In each writing with “lucifer”, the lower cases word and its context was always descriptive and not a proper name. The KJV is the only one that kept the original Latin word and capitalized it. The other “lucifer” words they changed. In medieval times, some began to say Satan had another name and this is how it started.
Christ, Paul and none of the 12 ever referred to Satan with a proper name ever. The Jews don’t even refer to that Isaiah passage as Satan. Thankfully, it has nothing to do with salvation. But I prefer truth and Id want everyone to know it as well.
There was a link to a source on the history of it. If you ever have time, please look into it, even if you still disagree. It’s really hard to argue against a word used multiple times and all its uses are never someone’s name.
Once again, no proof the sons of God are angels. More apostate church teachings.
Noah was a direct descendant of Seth. Genesis 5.
Um, Genesis proves angels appear as male. No where does it claim they become human flesh and blood. You are just adding imagination to God's Word.
Yes, he did. He as King is portrayed as a bright star in the heavens. The same in Revelation at the 6th seal and the 5th Trumpet.The king of Babylon did not descend from heaven.
Yes, it is.So no this is not God calling a king of babylon a light bearer, son of the morning.
Demons are not angels either.
Demons are human spirits of reprobate souls. They all will be tossed into the LOF with the dead souls they are supposed to be a part of.
Yes, he did. He as King is portrayed as a bright star in the heavens. The same in Revelation at the 6th seal and the 5th Trumpet.
Example: Stars, in the Scriptures, are symbols of princes and rulers (see Daniel 8:10; Revelation 8:10-11; Revelation 9:1); and the natural meaning of this symbol is, that there would be commotions which would unsettle princes, and bring them down from their thrones - like stars falling from the sky.
Do you want more?
You still don’t get it. Poetic language doesn’t mean the King actually went into God’s throne. Heaven is the sky and the idea is, if you read anything I posted, the king, as a bright star which hangs in the heavens and is elevated above all on the earth is the idea. Those who lift themselves up will be cast down.Don't need more. YOu draw conclusions based on faulty assumptions of the language! Just because it is poetic does not make it metasphoric at all!
Genesis 1 is poetic and it literal truth.
And the King is a man and no man descended from heaven.
Can angels be married and have sex?
Is that what Christ taught you? I don’t know. I tend to think we are to be apt. To teach, patient in all things, always searching for truth and ready to give examples to anyone that asks. I hope if an unsaved individual asks that question, because they may be ignorant, that we can provide scriptural truth.Don’t ask stupid questions.
as my old mum used to say …” Ask a stupid question and you’ll get a stupid answer “.
You are still trying to project current nature under the bondage of sin, back onto the week of creation. God's creation does not work that way.The earth is the earth it wasn't some kind of fantasy land where no plants died decayed and turn to dirt. clearly God used the dirt did not create dirt that is a byproduct of life on earth.
Adam and Eve were banned from God's presence. That would be a place to start.Now you want to depute that they were not actually calling on the Lord, only to fit a narrative. That's when the idea kind of looses steam when debating what is actually said in the verse, back to the reasoning board.