I think being faithful requires the conscience awareness of what one would be being faithful to.
The Mark of the Beast (what it really is explained)
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Timtofly
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The Pharisees were the strict holders of the Law both written and oral. Their problem was they had great outward show, but were dead on the inside. Otherwise hypocrites unable to do themselves all the law required, except when parading out in public or teaching in the temple.
BARNEY BRIGHT
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The oral law was traditions of men they were not the inspired writings of God. The Pharisees adhered more to the oral law than they did the inspired writings of God, the law covenant.
The Pharisees were a prominent religious sect of Judaism in the first century C.E. They were not of priestly descent, but they were strict observers of the Law in its smallest detail, and they elevated oral traditions to the same level. (Mt 23:23)
They believed God to be omnipresent so because of that, they didn't put the kind of importance they should have on the temple, which the scriptures show God was there in the temple.
They reasoned that since “God was everywhere, He could be worshiped both in and outside the Temple, and was not to be invoked by sacrifices alone. They thus fostered the synagogue as a place of worship, study, and prayer, and raised it to a central and important place in the life of the people which rivaled the Temple.”
The Pharisees lacked appreciation for Jehovah’s temple. This can be seen from Jesus’ words: “Woe to you, blind guides, who say, ‘If anyone swears by the temple, it is nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is under obligation.’ Fools and blind ones! Which, in fact, is greater, the gold or the temple that has sanctified the gold? Also, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it is nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is under obligation.’ Blind ones! Which, in fact, is greater, the gift or the altar that sanctifies the gift? Therefore he that swears by the altar is swearing by it and by all the things on it.”—Matthew 23:16-20.
How could the Pharisees become so twisted in their reasoning? What were they overlooking? Note what Jesus says next. “And he that swears by the temple is swearing by it and by him that is inhabiting it.” (Matthew 23:21) Concerning this verse, scholar E. P. Sanders observed: “The temple was holy not only because the holy God was worshipped there, but also because he was there.” (Judaism: Practice and Belief, 63 BCE—66 CE) However, Jehovah’s special presence would mean little to those who thought that he was everywhere.
They cared way more of their traditions which they had elevated to a higher place than the inspired writings of God.
Bobby Jo
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"Neron", --"N E R O N" --.
People are so good at ignorance, and so bad at facts,
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Bobby Jo
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The last time we "talked" you couldn't/wouldn't provide the Daniel 2 accounting of FIVE; versus the Daniel 7 accounting of FOUR. So if you can't resolve that FIVE ≠ FOUR, -- how is it that you can obey Scripture?
Maybe your "husband" hasn't told you what to think yet ...
Men hear from GOD; Women hear from their husbands. So men that hear from other men are women ...
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BARNEY BRIGHT
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I could care less about your insults, it proves to me you have nothing useful to offer. I honestly can't remember the talk you speak of, of course that's not saying much since I have a bad memory. However I don't claim to know everything in the scriptures but in the book of Daniel of what you're speaking of is the empires that ruled over Israel as well as other lands from the time Jerusalem and it's temple was destroyed, "Babylon, medo-persian, Greek, and Roman Empire."
What does that prove?
From the pretreists:
" Greek and Hebrew letters also have numerical values. Thus while it is well known that the sum total of the Greek form of Nero Caesar transliterated into Hebrew characters adds up to 666, the same total is also found in Caesar Vespasian and Caesar Titus, two of Nero’s successors. This beast trinity fulfills all the prophecies in Revelation 13.
Like the three-in-one God worshipped by Christians, all three emperors were worshipped in the imperial cult as a god. Also while Titus’ father, Vespasian, ruled as emperor of Rome, Titus could, therefore, be seen, like Christ, as the son of god. Three first-century historians; Josephus, Suetonius, and Tacitus; all tell us that, like Jesus Christ, Vespasian also saw himself and was seen by others as the Jewish Messiah.1 Furthermore, the church historian Eusebius says that Vespasian even went so far as to try to kill any other rival Messianic candidates as he sought to eradicate King David’s bloodline."
Jesus said "In this generation." That's not 2000 plus years.
This particular generation described by all the signs coming together simultaneously, not this, as in "your generation".
AKA....."this generation I am describing to you will not pass from the regathering of Jews in Jerusalem"....ish.(Luke 21:24)
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only of course that is being interpreted ultra-literally, and surely will not literally come to pass
Luke 21:24 King James Version (KJV)
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled..........
......32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
This is OUR generation.
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well so you say, but i suggest that there is a more pertinent way to get that, less self-centered maybe, more inclusive of all times? And Jesus seemed to be plainly enough indicating to those standing there that it was their generation that would not pass away?
He was talking to people of that generation,
Also, in Revelation we have clear evidence that John is writing to particular, historic, individual churches that existed in his day. Revelation 1:4 provides a common salutation: "John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace [be] unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come."
The members of the churches to whom Revelation was addressed are expected to read, understand, and keep the directives in Revelation.
How could they understand and watch for events centuries distant?
John notes that he along with the seven churches have already entered "the tribulation" (Rev. 1:9a)
John is writing to particular historical churches about their current grave circumstances.
John specifically states that the prophecies of Revelation would begin coming to pass within a very short period of time. He dogmatically states that the events of Revelation were "shortly to take place "and that "the time is near."
Bobby Jo
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Bobby Jo
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And "die laughing" is ABSOLUTELY LITERAL. And so too everything in Scripture.
Silly people,
Bobby Jo
That's not even an answer. When Jesus talks about going down into the house and about synagogues, in the same passage is he being non literal? These are images from his time, and the Jewish Christians time, not ours.
The Greek version of his name when put into Hebrew letters has the value of 666, while the Latin version has the value of 616.
There is manuscript evidence that the alternative number is “616.
”It’s possible that the second number comes from the Latin version of Nero’s name, which, when put into Hebrew letters drops the second “N” (Hebrew, Nun) so that it reads, NRO QSR instead of NRON QSR. Since “N” Nun) has the value of “50.
Bobby Jo
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Generation of mankind. -- I.e., we won't destroy ourselves, Jesus will return for a 1k year reign, and then the end.
Whew,
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