The messiah didn't come yet.

[Eliyahu613]

@Eliyahu613 .....by the way, what does 'Bs"d' mean?

Bs"d

The above is an abbreviation of the Aramaic expression "Ba siata desmaya", and that means: "With the help of Heaven".

Besiyata Dishmaya - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Waiting on him]

Bs"d

Doing my best to be one.

I was just wondering, how do you atone for your sins?

 

[Waiting on him]

Bs"d

That is one of the messianic prophecies which has NOT been fulfilled:

Isaiah 11; "And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins. The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea. And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious."

Also here we have a messiah who is going to kill the evil people: "And he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked." And after that we get the better world, when it says: "The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them etc." This is what is supposed to happen, as soon as there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse (the father of King David) and a Branch shall grow out of his roots; that is as soon as the messiah comes. Nowhere here is mentioned that the messiah will be killed and that these prophecies will happen at least 2000 years later. On the contrary; when the messiah comes redemption comes. And also for this messianic prophecy you don't have to be a brain surgeon or a rocket scientist in order to see that it is not fulfilled. Nothing of this all was done by Jesus.
Conclusion: He was not the messiah.

Jesus’s Father was Joseph. The Lineage is there in Matthew.

 

[Eliyahu613]

I was just wondering, how do you atone for your sins?

Bs"d

By returning to God and His laws, and asking for forgiveness.

 

[Eliyahu613]

Jesus’s Father was Joseph. The Lineage is there in Matthew.

Bs"d

It is also spelled out there in Matthew that Joseph was not his father:

"18 Now the birth of Jesus the Messiah[i] took place in this way. When his mother Mary had been engaged to Joseph, but before they lived together, she was found to be with child from the Holy Spirit. 19 Her husband Joseph, being a righteous man and unwilling to expose her to public disgrace, planned to dismiss her quietly. 20 But just when he had resolved to do this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, ‘Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife, for the child conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit."
Matt 1

Before he had relations with Mary, she was pregnant from somebody else. So he was not the father of JC.

 

[quietthinker]

Bs"d

It is also spelled out there in Matthew that Joseph was not his father:

"18 Now the birth of Jesus the Messiah[i] took place in this way. When his mother Mary had been engaged to Joseph, but before they lived together, she was found to be with child from the Holy Spirit. 19 Her husband Joseph, being a righteous man and unwilling to expose her to public disgrace, planned to dismiss her quietly. 20 But just when he had resolved to do this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, ‘Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife, for the child conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit."
Matt 1

Before he had relations with Mary, she was pregnant from somebody else. So he was not the father of JC.

The account is straight forward Eliyahu. If you choose not to believe it you are basically calling it a lie....you then substitute your own imagined theory.

I could ask, did God open the Red Sea for the Israelites in the way it is described? why would I ask this? well, it's against the natural order of things; how could this be possible?
In the same vein, why do we need to question whether Mary's pregnancy was not conceived by the Holy Spirit?

It also tells us God created the world by speaking it into existence. Would we question that also because it doesn't fit into our possibilities?

 

[Waiting on him]

Bs"d

It is also spelled out there in Matthew that Joseph was not his father:

"18 Now the birth of Jesus the Messiah[i] took place in this way. When his mother Mary had been engaged to Joseph, but before they lived together, she was found to be with child from the Holy Spirit. 19 Her husband Joseph, being a righteous man and unwilling to expose her to public disgrace, planned to dismiss her quietly. 20 But just when he had resolved to do this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, ‘Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife, for the child conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit."
Matt 1

Before he had relations with Mary, she was pregnant from somebody else. So he was not the father of JC.

Yes, that’s what it says. It also says,

Matthew 1:24-25 KJV
[24] Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: [25] And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

How is it Joseph took her unto himself?

 

[Waiting on him]

Bs"d

By returning to God and His laws, and asking for forgiveness.

How do you know what Gods laws are?

 

[Eliyahu613]

How do you know what Gods laws are?

Bs"d

They are given by God to Israel, and written down in the first five books of the Bible.

 

[Waiting on him]

Bs"d

They are given by God to Israel, and written down in the first five books of the Bible.

Are you guys still stoning each other?

 

[Waiting on him]

Bs"d

They are given by God to Israel, and written down in the first five books of the Bible.

The reason I ask is, to not kill those in disobedience would be an act of disobedience.

 

[Eliyahu613]

Are you guys still stoning each other?

Bs"d

At the moment not.

But when the religious people get the majority, and that will be soon, then the by God prescribed death penalties for certain sins will be reinstated again, and then some sinners will be stoned again.

(with some sinners being stoned again, I don't mean that those sinners will be smoking dope, but that they will be executed by throwing stones at them. Think about something like this: https://tinyurl.com/ISIS-stoning)

 

[Waiting on him]

Bs"d

At the moment not.

But when the religious people get the majority, and that will be soon, than the by God prescribed death penalties for certain sins will be reinstated again, and then some sinners will be stoned again.

(with some sinners being stoned again, I don't mean that those sinners will be smoking dope, but that they will be executed by throwing stones at them)

You never answered my question concerning how it was that Joseph took Mary unto himself as his wife.

Also if Joseph was the father of Jesus and Jesus was the rightful messiah/king. What are the ramifications of the actions there in the first century?

 

[Eliyahu613]

You never answered my question concerning how it was that Joseph took Mary unto himself as his wife.

Also if Joseph was the father of Jesus and Jesus was the rightful messiah/king. What are the ramifications of the actions there in the first century?

Bs"d

That question doesn't get started, because the gospels make it very clear that Joseph was NOT the father of JC.

 

[Gabriel _Arch]

Bs"d

That question doesn't get started, because the gospels make it very clear that Joseph was NOT the father of JC.

If the Messiah hasn't yet arrived,who was Immanuel's father if not Joseph?

 

[Eliyahu613]

If the Messiah hasn't yet arrived,who was Immanuel's father if not Joseph?

Bs"d

Mary was raped by a Roman soldier. I forgot his name.

 

[Gabriel _Arch]

Bs"d

Mary was raped by a Roman soldier. I forgot his name.

Panther?

 

[Eliyahu613]

Panther?

Bs"d

I think Panthera.

 

[Gabriel _Arch]

Bs"d

I think Panthera.

That's the Babylonian Talmud Sanhedrin 43a
It also claims Jesus and his fellows,the disciples as we call them , were tried and executed,hanged, on the eve of Passover.

Jesus in the Talmud - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Eliyahu613]

I was just wondering, how do you atone for your sins?

Bs"d

By suffering because of the punishment for our sins.

Here is something more about that: animal sacrifices