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Ronald David Bruno

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All the angels of God were ordered to worship who?? The first begotten into the world. God is not first begetton as you falsely claim, but eternal. Claiming God was Begotten is simply a faslehood.

GOD became flesh. A baby was begotten, not Jesus spirit that is eternal, the Word, who was God from the beginning. Still can't grasp that concept?
JW's don't believe they have a spirit, so I can see how that doesn't compute. God is Spirit. So why is the incarnation of God's Spirit into a fetus, in the womb, difficult for you to understand?
 

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"Son life force" I always like hearing that one. Not just spiritual but also mystical.

"given immortality and inherited incorruption which he didn't have before becoming human nor did he have when he was human"

I am the resurrection and the life and the way and the truth, etc...

The life is in the blood, Jesus' precious blood was incorruptible because the eternal life in it and Him.

And when did Scripture say God gave the life to His Son on earth? He gave Him a body (Heb 10:5), but not the life. That life was already in Him adn He was that life. Not after resurrection and 'gifted blessing' of it from the LORD Jehovah.

"before he became human he was Divine, a god but not immortal or incorruptible"

Thanks, that's new. I'll weave it in while writing your book. IF you got more, let me know.
 

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Even the NWT says Jesus is God!
NWT John 20:28 "In answer Thomas said to him: “My Lord and my God!”
 

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Well, Job's family celebrated theirs since we are on the topic of Job. Chapter 1 - can you find it?
Job 1:4 (WEB):
His sons went and held a feast in the house of each one on his birthday; and they sent and called for their three sisters to eat and to drink with them.

The NIV also translates it as birthday. However, they're the only two translations that I could find that translate it that way. Most translate it similar to:

TLV: Now it was customary for his sons to hold a banquet, each on his own day in his own house. They would send to invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them.

or as the Good News Bible puts it:

GNB: Job's sons used to take turns giving a feast, to which all the others would come, and they always invited their three sisters to join them.

The Hebrew word is 'yome' meaning day. It occurs 2,287 times in the Bible and in the KJV it is translated as day 2008 times, time 64, chronicles + 'dabar' 37, daily 44, ever 18, year 14, continually 10, when 10, as 10, while 8, full 8, always 4, whole 4, alway 4, misc 44. It is never translated as birthday. That seems to be a modern translation assumption/error!
 
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He said to them: “You, though, who do you say egō eimi ?” (Matthew 16:15)

Simon Peter answered: “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” (Matthew 16:16)

In response Jesus said to him: “Happy you are, Simon son of Joʹnah, because flesh and blood did not reveal it to you, but my Father in the heavens did.(Matthew 16:17)





All the angels of God were ordered to worship who?? The firstbegotten into the world. God is not firstbegetton as you falsely claim, but eternal. Claiming God was Begotten is simply a faslehood.

begotten not made or created

Nicene Creed!

We believe in one God, the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only Son of God,
begotten from the Father before all ages,
God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made; one in being with the Father. Through him all things were made. For us and for our salvation he came down from heaven; he became incarnate by the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary, and was made man. He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate; he suffered and was buried. The third day he rose again, according to the Scriptures. He ascended to heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again with glory to judge the living and the dead. His kingdom will never end.

And we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life. He proceeds from the Father and the Son, and with the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified. He spoke through the prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic church. We affirm one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look forward to the resurrection of the dead,
and to life in the world to come. Amen.

only God is permitted to be adored
 
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He said to them: “You, though, who do you say egō eimi ?” (Matthew 16:15)

Simon Peter answered: “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” (Matthew 16:16)

In response Jesus said to him: “Happy you are, Simon son of Joʹnah, because flesh and blood did not reveal it to you, but my Father in the heavens did.(Matthew 16:17)





All the angels of God were ordered to worship who?? The firstbegotten into the world. God is not firstbegetton as you falsely claim, but eternal. Claiming God was Begotten is simply a faslehood.

so is Jesus Divine or are you Arian?

the Arian heresy was condemned by the holy church of the apostolic council
Matt 16:18 18:18 bound on earth bound in heaven
 

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Actually, the source of their denial as antichrists is not so much the name of Jesus. They speak His name in lip service.

The real denial is that He has come in the flesh (1 John 4:). The 'coming' is the part they must deny. Unlike every other man on earth, the Son came to the earth from heaven to be born a man on earth.

"And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." (John 3:13)

That is why they twist Scripture to try and say he came from man, rather than came from heaven.

To confess Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is to first confess that He was in heaven before coming down to the earth in the flesh. It secondly means He was a human being by birth.

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"Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God." (John 5)

"To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One." (Isaiah 40)

Even the unbelieving Jews knew that to be God's Son was to be equal with God. They were unitarians that rejected the Father, because they rejected the Son. Like the unitarians today, they believed that God and the Father was One Person and the only Deity ever. Much less would they accept God in the flesh, who was equal with the Holy One of Israel.

""Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption." (Acts 2)

God the Son was the Holy One come down from heaven, equal with God the Father in heaven, and when He died on the cross, the soul of the Holy One went into hell to preach to them there also.

"That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him." (John 5)

To not honor the Son as the honor of the Father is to not honor the Father at all. The Father and the Son are equal. Neither created the other nor outranks the other in honor and as God.

"I and my Father are one." (John 10)

Both the Father and the Son are equal in honor and equal as God the Holy One of Israel.

The only difference between the unbelieving unitarian Jews and the unbelieving unitarian gentiles, is that the Jews don't give lip service to the name of Jesus at all.
 

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so is Jesus Divine or are you Arian?

the Arian heresy was condemned by the holy church of the apostolic council
Matt 16:18 18:18 bound on earth bound in heaven
They say He is divine as having deity only because He was deified by the LORD Jehovah.

And so, we are accused of not believing in His deity, because we do not believe He was deified. i.e. created in the beginning and then given immortality as a god after death.

The Son is as the Father: both are deity and neither deified the other. The honor and love one another as God, but neither gave life to the other.

"That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him." (John 5)
 
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"That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him." (John 5)

Both honor and love one another as God.

Nowhere does Scripture say that either worshipped the other, nor gave life to the other.

The Son honored and loved the Father, but never worshipped Him nor received Life from Him. If the son had ever been created by the Father, then he would have worshipped the Father as God his Creator. He did not, even as the Father does honors and loves the Son, but does not worship Him.
 

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"For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will."

"For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself."

The Father and the Son are equal. They equally have life in themselves, and they equally have power of God to raise up the dead and quicken whom They will.

I am the resurrection and the Life...

Even as they had equal power to create what they They will.

Let Us make man in Our image...
 
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GOD became flesh. A baby was begotten, not Jesus spirit that is eternal, the Word, who was God from the beginning. Still can't grasp that concept?
JW's don't believe they have a spirit, so I can see how that doesn't compute. God is Spirit. So why is the incarnation of God's Spirit into a fetus, in the womb, difficult for you to understand?

It really is that simple. Like little children devoid of Spiritual understand, thinking only with carnal minds, even as the unbelieving unitarian Jews, they refuse to grasp what is really simple: There is One equal with the Holy One (Isaiah 40): The Son and the Spirit and the Father.

They are equal in honor and as God and neither created the other. The Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost are one. (I John )

And since, as you say, they have no spirit, then it makes perfect sense that they have no understand of God come down from heaven to be born as man upon the earth.

"That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him." (John 5)

They refuse to believe in the equality and honor of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit as God, and are One, but they can believe in the LORD Jehovah creating His 1st angel in the beginning of creation to help in that creation, and then putting His angel in a woman's womb by force of life, and then gifting said 1st angel with immortality after raising him from the dead, and so deifying him as a god in heaven...

That they can believe, because the carnal mind loves the intellectual stimulus of paganist mysticism. It's all intellectual: no spirit, no life.
 
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GOD became flesh. A baby was begotten, not Jesus spirit that is eternal, the Word, who was God from the beginning. Still can't grasp that concept?
JW's don't believe they have a spirit, so I can see how that doesn't compute. God is Spirit. So why is the incarnation of God's Spirit into a fetus, in the womb, difficult for you to understand?

For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those not acknowledging Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist. (2 John 1:7)

God is not from the Beginning. God is eternal. However, the Word is FROM the Beginning. Look at John 1:2 in the Greek.
 

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They say He is divine as having deity only because He was deified by the LORD Jehovah.

And so, we are accused of not believing in His deity, because we do not believe He was deified. i.e. created in the beginning and then given immortality as a god after death.

The Son is as the Father: both are deity and neither deified the other. The honor and love one another as God, but neither gave life to the other.

"That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him." (John 5)

you cannot become God, the very definition of God is that he is uncreated and eternal

two natures in one person
Fully divine
Fully human


Athanasius Creed!
(From the early church)

Whoever desires to be saved must above all hold to the catholic faith.

Anyone who does not keep it whole and entire will doubtless perish eternally.

Now this is the catholic faith:

That we worship one God in trinity and the trinity in unity, neither blending their persons nor dividing their essence. For the person of the Father is a distinct person, the person of the Son is another,
and that of the Holy Spirit still another.
But the divinity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is one, their glory equal, their majesty coeternal.

What quality the Father has, the Son has, and the Holy Spirit has. The Father is uncreated, the Son is uncreated, the Holy Spirit is uncreated.

The Father is immeasurable, the Son is immeasurable, the Holy Spirit is immeasurable.

The Father is eternal, the Son is eternal,
the Holy Spirit is eternal.

And yet there are not three eternal beings; there is but one eternal being.
So too there are not three uncreated or immeasurable beings, there is but one uncreated and immeasurable being.

Similarly, the Father is almighty, the Son is almighty, the Holy Spirit is almighty. Yet there are not three almighty beings;
there is but one almighty being.

Thus the Father is God,
the Son is God,
the Holy Spirit is God.
Yet there are not three gods;
there is but one God.

Thus the Father is Lord,
the Son is Lord,
the Holy Spirit is Lord.
Yet there are not three lords;
there is but one Lord.

Just as Christian truth compels us
to confess each person individually
as both God and Lord, so catholic religion forbids us to say that there are three gods or lords.

The Father was neither made nor created nor begotten from anyone. The Son was neither made nor created; he was begotten from the Father alone. The Holy Spirit was neither made nor created nor begotten; he proceeds from the Father and the Son.

Accordingly there is one Father, not three fathers; there is one Son, not three sons;
there is one Holy Spirit, not three holy spirits.

Nothing in this trinity is before or after,
nothing is greater or smaller; in their entirety the three persons are coeternal and coequal with each other.

So in everything, as was said earlier,
we must worship their trinity in their unity and their unity in their trinity.

Anyone then who desires to be saved
should think thus about the trinity.

But it is necessary for eternal salvation
that one also believe in the incarnation
of our Lord Jesus Christ faithfully.

Now this is the true faith:

That we believe and confess
that our Lord Jesus Christ, God's Son,
is both God and human, equally.

He is God from the essence of the Father,
begotten before time; and he is human from the essence of his mother, born in time; completely God, completely human, with a rational soul and human flesh; equal to the Father as regards divinity, less than the Father as regards humanity.

Although he is God and human,
yet Christ is not two, but one.
He is one, however, not by his divinity being turned into flesh, but by God's taking humanity to himself.He is one,
certainly not by the blending of his essence, but by the unity of his person.
For just as one human is both rational soul and flesh, so too the one Christ is both God and human.

He suffered for our salvation; he descended to hell; he arose from the dead; he ascended to heaven; he is seated at the Father's right hand; from there he will come to judge the living and the dead. At his coming all people will arise bodily and give an accounting of their own deeds. Those who have done good will enter eternal life, and those who have done evil will enter eternal fire.

This is the catholic faith:
one cannot be saved without believing it firmly and faithfully.

Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord God of hosts!
 

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so is Jesus Divine or are you Arian?

the Arian heresy was condemned by the holy church of the apostolic council
Matt 16:18 18:18 bound on earth bound in heaven

Of course Jesus is Divine. No not Arian, it's heresy. The Catholic Church rejects the Baptism in the Name of Jesus Christ. You're not Baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ.


The Catholic Encyclopedia, II, page 263: “The baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son, and Holy Spirit by the Catholic Church in the second century.

The Catholic Church rejects Peters Inspired Words.
  • Peter said to them: “Repent, and let each one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the free gift of the holy spirit.” (Acts 2:38)
 

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Of course Jesus is Divine. No not Arian, it's heresy. The Catholic Church rejects the Baptism in the Name of Jesus Christ. You're not Baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ.


The Catholic Encyclopedia, II, page 263: “The baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son, and Holy Spirit by the Catholic Church in the second century.

The Catholic Church rejects Peters Inspired Words.
  • Peter said to them: “Repent, and let each one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the free gift of the holy spirit.” (Acts 2:38)

really?

1st Christian baptism has always been in the name of the father and of the son and of the Holy Spirit as Christ commanded in matt 28:19

2nd with pure running water over the forehead either immersion, sprinkling or pouring three times

the river Jordan and JTB are not necessary

3rd acts 2:38-39 includes infants
This promise (sacred oath or promise from God ez 36:25-27) is to you’re children

the name of Jesus?

the baptism is in the name of the father and of the son and of the spirit, but the command by Peter to be baptized is in the name of Jesus!

that’s a little tricky I know?

it’s like asking can you be saved without a priest?
 

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1st Christian baptism has always been in the name of the father and of the son and of the Holy Spirit as Christ commanded in matt 28:19

2nd with pure running water over the forehead either immersion, sprinkling or pouring three times

Who? Show a scripture that shows this....

  • “But when they believed Philip, who was declaring the good news of the Kingdom of God and of the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were getting baptized.” (Acts 8:12)

  • “Or do you not know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?” (Romans 6:3)

  • On hearing this, they got baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.” (Acts 19:5)

I don't see any scriptures of infants believing on the Name of Jesus.... Can a baby express faith in Jesus Christ?
 

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Who? Show a scripture that shows this....

  • “But when they believed Philip, who was declaring the good news of the Kingdom of God and of the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were getting baptized.” (Acts 8:12)

  • “Or do you not know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?” (Romans 6:3)

  • On hearing this, they got baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.” (Acts 19:5)

I don't see any scriptures of infants believing on the Name of Jesus.... Can a baby express faith in Jesus Christ?

yes!
Matthew 18:6
But whoso shall offend one of these littleones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

Acts 16:15 entire household
It does not say except infants!

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

promise (sacred oath) (sacrament) is to you’re children!

All are called
Lk 2:10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.

11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

All people
Jn 1:29 Jn 3:16 all universal the whole world
 

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Matthew 18:6
But whoso shall offend one of these littleones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

Isn't the scripture talking about New Believers? Notice Jesus said "in ME" and not in three.
The Catholic Church rejects Peters Inspired Words.
  • Peter said to them: “Repent, and let each one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the free gift of the holy spirit.” (Acts 2:38)

No Baptism in the Name of Jesus Christ.
No Forgiveness of your sins.
No free gift of the holy spirit.

By Preventing Others to be Baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ states "whoso offend these littleones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea."
 

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Isn't the scripture talking about New Believers? Notice Jesus said "in ME" and not in three.
The Catholic Church rejects Peters Inspired Words.
  • Peter said to them: “Repent, and let each one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the free gift of the holy spirit.” (Acts 2:38)

No Baptism in the Name of Jesus Christ.
No Forgiveness of your sins.
No free gift of the holy spirit.

By Preventing Others to be Baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ states "whoso offend these littleones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea."

Vs 5 says child so it means infants not new believers

What about the rest I sent you?
 
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