The Order of Salvation

[Ritajanice]

We are born again by hearing and believing the Gospel. Paul said, "So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God (which is the Gospel) Romans 10:17. On the day of Pentecost 8,000 Jews heard Peter's Gospel and were born again by the Holy Spirit, Acts 2:41 also Acts 4:4.

We are Born Again by God ...we are NOT born again by only hearing and believing...we must receive the Spiritual rebirth, / Born Again/ regenerated/ brought Alive by the Spirit/of God.

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◄ Romans 8:16 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. New Living Translation For his Spirit joins with our spirit to affirm that we are God’s children. English Standard Version The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God

As he’s indwelling us, he testifies with our spirit that we are his children....you can’t hear him in your head...you hear God in “ YOUR SPIRIT “ now prove his word wrong?

Which means what exactly?

He testifies with our spirit?

You can’t hear God Without the testifying of the Holy Spirit to our spirit....supernatural, only God can do that...you can’t..

We aren’t reborn in the head,we are reborn in the Spirit.....Spirit gives birth to spirit.?

That’s when we receive the new heart and Spirit within, we’ve passed from death into new life, that new life is in Christ!?

 

[Robert Pate]

We are Born Again by God ...we are NOT born again by only hearing and believing...we must receive the Spiritual rebirth, / Born Again/ regenerated/ brought Alive by the Spirit/of God.

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◄ Romans 8:16 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. New Living Translation For his Spirit joins with our spirit to affirm that we are God’s children. English Standard Version The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God

As he’s indwelling us, he testifies with our spirit that we are his children....you can’t hear him in your head...you hear God in “ YOUR SPIRIT “ now prove his word wrong?

Which means what exactly?

He testifies with our spirit?

You can’t hear God Without the testifying of the Holy Spirit to our spirit....supernatural, only God can do that...you can’t..

If you do not believe the Gospel, you will never be born again.

You are saying things without any scripture references. How do you know what you are saying is correct?

 

[Ritajanice]

If you do not believe the Gospel, you will never be born again.

You are saying things without any scripture references. How do you know what you are saying is correct?

I have backed everything up with scripture.

We must believe in Jesus, then we receive the spiritual birth...for the fourth time...prove the word of God wrong?

It’s a “ Living “ Spiritual birth?

Not a spiritual “ head birth”..

Not one of my questions regarding the scripture you posted have been addressed.

All you do is lip serve? and quote scripture...no interpretation whatsoever....full of wind...

I gave you scripture of how I was Born Again....which you must have missed?

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◄ Romans 8:16 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. New Living Translation For his Spirit joins with our spirit to affirm that we are God’s children. English Standard Version The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, Berean Standard Bible The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. Berean Literal Bible The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, ◄ John 3:8 ► Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.” New Living Translation The wind blows wherever it wants. Just as you can hear the wind but can’t tell where it comes from or where it is going, so you can’t explain how people are born of the Spirit.” English Standard Version The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

 

[Ritajanice]

f you do not believe the Gospel, you will never be born again.

Scripture please?

We must believe in Jesus, before we are Born of God?

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◄ John 14:6 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. New Living Translation Jesus told him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me. English Standard Version Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. Berean Standard Bible Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. Berean Literal Bible Jesus says to him, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father, if not by Me Jesus is the only way....not man made religion...who twists and turns the word of God, to say what they want it to say.

 

[Ritajanice]

If you do not believe the Gospel, you will never be born again.

You are saying things without any scripture references. How do you know what you are saying is correct?

Brought from Death to LifeThe Lord told Nicodemus unequivocally, “That which is born of the flesh is flesh and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit” (John 3:6). Only the Spirit of the living God can take dry bones, dead in trespasses and rebellion against God, and make them spiritually alive (Ephesians 2:1-5


Understand?

 

[L.A.M.B.]

2 Corinthians 12: 20/21
For I fear lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I wish, and that I shall be found by you such as you do not wish; lest there be contentions,jealousies, outburst of wrath, selfish ambitions, backbitings, whispering, conceits, tumults; lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and I shall mourn for many who have sinned before and have not repented of the uncleanness, fornication, and lewdness which they have practiced".

There is a lot in the word of the sins of the flesh.( Actions) Ppl tend to exclude those sins in their spirits ( thoughts, feelings) that usually come out of their hearts via their mouths!
The above sins underlined proceed from our hearts, causing our actions to be prominently viewed.

What do others see in one's spirit and one's words, do they depict a follower of Christ or of Belial?

 

[Ritajanice]

Much better coming from the “ Living “ word of God, than manmade religion/ carnal.those who don’t have the Spirit of God, are none of his .

There are also the “ hypocrite “ who can see the speck in their Brother/ Sister eye....yet can’t see the plank in their own....

The Bible tells us that a hypocrite is someone who puts on a mask and pretends to be something he is not. Hypocrisy is to claim to know and follow certain beliefs but to behave in a way that counteracts those beliefs. While we should have the wisdom to discern words and actions that do not match, we also need to remember that God is the ultimate judge of character

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◄ Matthew 15:8 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version “’These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. New Living Translation ‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.

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◄ Romans 8 ►

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Berean Standard Bible Par ▾ Walking by the Spirit (Ezekiel 36:16–38; Galatians 5:16–26) 1Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.a2For in Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set youb free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful man, as an offering for sin.c He thus condemned sin in the flesh, 4so that the righteous standard of the law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5Those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. 6The mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace,7because the mind of the flesh is hostile to God: It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. 8Those controlled by the fleshd cannot please God. 9You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. 10But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alivee because of righteousness. 11And if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the deadf will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit, who lives in you. Heirs with Christ 12Therefore, brothers, we have an obligation, but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. 13For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. 15For you did not receive a spirit of slavery that returns you to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!” 16The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. 17And if we are children, then we are heirs: heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ—if indeed we suffer with Him, so that we may also be glorified with Him. Future Glory (2 Corinthians 5:1–10) 18I consider that our present sufferings are not comparable to the glory that will be revealed in us. 19The creation waits in eager expectation for the revelation of the sons of God. 20For the creation was subjected to futility, not by its own will, but because of the One who subjected it, in hope 21that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God. 22We know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until the present time. 23Not only that, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. 24For in this hope we were saved; but hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what he can already see? 25But if we hope for what we do not yet see, we wait for it patiently. 26In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know how we ought to pray, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groans too deep for words. 27And He who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God. God Works in All Things (Ephesians 1:3–14) 28And we know that God works all things together for the good of those who love Him, who are called according to His purpose. 29For those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. 30And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified. 31What then shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32He who did not spare His own Son but gave Him up for us all, how will He not also, along with Him, freely give us all things? 33Who will bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. 34Who is there to condemn us? For Christ Jesus, who died, and more than that was raised to life, is at the right hand of God—and He is interceding for us. More than Conquerors (Psalm 44:1–26) 35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or distress or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36As it is written: “For Your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”g 37No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us.38For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor principalities, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[JBO]

You don't have any scripture to refute me, but you want me to use scripture to refute you. Anything that we do is a work of the law. Everything that Jesus did is a work of the Spirit.

Paul said, "This only would I learn of you, did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law (because you did something) or by the hearing of faith? (hearing and believing the Gospel) are you so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are you now made perfect by the flesh?" Galatians 3:2-3.

What do you mean I don't have any scripture to refute you? I have the Bible. God, through inspiration by the Holy Spirit, spells out the law in His written word, the Bible, which is what Paul is referring to. Besides hearing and believing the Gospel is something we do. It is very strange that you think it isn't. However, hearing and believing are not works of the law.

You need to understand the difference between things that we do and works of the law. If you murder someone, that is obviously something that you do but it most definitely is not a work of the law.

 

[Robert Pate]

What do you mean I don't have any scripture to refute you? I have the Bible. God, through inspiration by the Holy Spirit, spells out the law in His written word, the Bible, which is what Paul is referring to. Besides hearing and believing the Gospel is something we do. It is very strange that you think it isn't. However, hearing and believing are not works of the law.

You need to understand the difference between things that we do and works of the law. If you murder someone, that is obviously something that you do but it most definitely is not a work of the law.

There are over 2,000 laws and rules in the Old Testament. They cover every aspect of one's life. There is nothing that we do in life that is not related to the law. Many Jews stay in bed on the Sabbath for fear of breaking the law. If you move a chair that is work. Getting dressed is work. We must conclude that anything that we do is a work of the law.

 

[BlessedPeace]

You don't have any scripture to refute me, but you want me to use scripture to refute you. Anything that we do is a work of the law. Everything that Jesus did is a work of the Spirit.

Paul said, "This only would I learn of you, did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law (because you did something) or by the hearing of faith? (hearing and believing the Gospel) are you so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are you now made perfect by the flesh?" Galatians 3:2-3.

That's the thing about your personal doctrine.

With regard to works,in proper context in Scripture,there is no passage that supports your claim that everything we do falls under the terms,works,per biblical context and definition.

Your doctrine does not save.

 

[Robert Pate]

That's the thing about your personal doctrine.

With regard to works,in proper context in Scripture,there is no passage that supports your claim that everything we do falls under the terms,works,per biblical context and definition.

Your doctrine does not save.

Doctrine does not save. What saves is the doing and the dying of Jesus. If you want to be saved you will have to trust in him alone for your salvation, plus nothing.

 

[JBO]

There are over 2,000 laws and rules in the Old Testament. They cover every aspect of one's life. There is nothing that we do in life that is not related to the law. Many Jews stay in bed on the Sabbath for fear of breaking the law. If you move a chair that is work. Getting dressed is work. We must conclude that anything that we do is a work of the law.

The typical counting of laws in the Law of Moses is 613. Those many Jews who stay in bed on the Sabbath obviously do not know the Law very well. You should't use them as a guide.

 

[BlessedPeace]

Doctrine does not save. What saves is the doing and the dying of Jesus. If you want to be saved you will have to trust in him alone for your salvation, plus nothing.

As I said,your doctrine does not save.

Excise parts of Jesus teachings as you like. You are not following the Gospel.

 

[Robert Pate]

As I said,your doctrine does not save.

Excise parts of Jesus teachings as you like. You are not following the Gospel.

Doctrine does not save anyone. The savior is Jesus Christ. Jesus saves and he saves to the uttermost, Hebrews 7:25.

 

[Robert Pate]

The typical counting of laws in the Law of Moses is 613. Those many Jews who stay in bed on the Sabbath obviously do not know the Law very well. You should't use them as a guide.

No, the Jews selected 613 for the Torah, the ones that they liked, but there are more like 2,000 laws and rules in the Old Testament. The Jews do know the law, this is why they stay in bed on the Sabbath.

 

[JBO]

No, the Jews selected 613 for the Torah, the ones that they liked, but there are more like 2,000 laws and rules in the Old Testament. The Jews do know the law, this is why they stay in bed on the Sabbath.

Obviously, you do not think the Torah is a Holy Spirit inspired revelation from God.

 

[Robert Pate]

Obviously, you do not think the Torah is a Holy Spirit inspired revelation from God.

The Torah is not of God. Jesus was not pleased when the Jews created the Torah. The Torah contains selected laws and rules.

The Torah and the law have been abolished, Ephesians 2:15. Jesus nailed it to his cross, Colossians 2:14. If you are still following laws and rules you are under the curse, Galatians 3:10. Worse yet, the law provokes God's wrath, Romans 4:15. The reason that the law provokes God's wrath is because, "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believes" Romans 10:4. Christians are called to live by faith and not by rules, laws and religion. Paul said, "The just shall live by faith" Romans 1:17. They live by faith in Christ and his Gospel. In the Gospel Jesus justifies the ungodly and reconciles them unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19.

 

[rwb]

The Torah is not of God. Jesus was not pleased when the Jews created the Torah. The Torah contains selected laws and rules.

The Torah and the law have been abolished, Ephesians 2:15. Jesus nailed it to his cross, Colossians 2:14. If you are still following laws and rules you are under the curse, Galatians 3:10. Worse yet, the law provokes God's wrath, Romans 4:15. The reason that the law provokes God's wrath is because, "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believes" Romans 10:4. Christians are called to live by faith and not by rules, laws and religion. Paul said, "The just shall live by faith" Romans 1:17. They live by faith in Christ and his Gospel. In the Gospel Jesus justifies the ungodly and reconciles them unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19.

I think an example of laws Jesus was not pleased with came by Moses because of the hardness of their hearts. Through this law a bill of divorce was written for whatever excuse served them. But from the beginning God said that when two were joined together in marriage they became one flesh, and what God hath joined together could not be separated except through death. How can the two becoming one flesh in marriage become separated, except through adultery or death? Because what was written in the Law was not the way of the LORD, but because of hard heartedness, Christ explained the only cause for divorce is fornication/committing adultery.

Matthew 19:8-9 (KJV) He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

Matthew 19:4-6 (KJV) And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

 

[Robert Pate]

I think an example of laws Jesus was not pleased with came by Moses because of the hardness of their hearts. Through this law a bill of divorce was written for whatever excuse served them. But from the beginning God said that when two were joined together in marriage they became one flesh, and what God hath joined together could not be separated except through death. How can the two becoming one flesh in marriage become separated, except through adultery or death? Because what was written in the Law was not the way of the LORD, but because of hard heartedness, Christ explained the only cause for divorce is fornication/committing adultery.

Matthew 19:8-9 (KJV) He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

Matthew 19:4-6 (KJV) And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

The law is spiritual, it searches the desires and the intent of the heart, Hebrews 4:12.

This means that in order to keep the law all of your thoughts would have to be without sin. Jesus said, "But I say unto you, that whosoever looks at a woman and lusts after her has committed adultery already in his heart" Matthew 5:28.

 

[JBO]

The Torah is not of God. Jesus was not pleased when the Jews created the Torah. The Torah contains selected laws and rules.

How much of the rest of the Bible do you think is not of God? My suspicions on that? Everything that you don't agree with. But whether or not that is the case, it is clear that you and I have nothing more to discuss, since you have no acceptable authority to base your opinions on. In rejecting part of the Scriptures, you have made null the whole of the Scriptures.