Folks, the visit next week is more portentous than anyone can imagine. Please watch...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CACxZb-sXnc
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Yea. The usual paranoid anti-Catholic funnymentalist hate speech that cannot withstand scrutiny.
Malachi Martin, mentioned in the video, is a heretic,
Mayor Deblasio is an anti-Catholic bigot.
A one world system of government is not being promoted by the Pope, that is a lie.
BREAKING NEWS! Doing something about millions of starving people is not evil!!!
Here is the full text of Laudato Si, see it for yourself. Paragraph 175 is what all the fuss is about.:
“To manage the global economy; to revive economies hit by the crisis; to avoid any deterioration of the present crisis and the greater imbalances that would result; to bring about integral and timely disarmament, food security and peace; to guarantee the protection of the environment and to regulate migration: for all this, there is urgent need of a true world political authority, as my predecessor Blessed John XXIII indicated some years ago”.
What did Pope John XXIII indicate?
Connection Between the Common Good and Political Authority
136. Now, if one considers carefully the inner significance of the common good on the one hand, and the nature and function of public authority on the other, one cannot fail to see that there is an intrinsic connection between them. Public authority, as the means of promoting the common good in civil society, is a postulate of the moral order. But the moral order likewise requires that this authority be effective in attaining its end. Hence the civil institutions in which such authority resides, becomes operative and promotes its ends, are endowed with a certain kind of structure and efficacy: a structure and efficacy which make such institutions capable of realizing the common good by ways and means adequate to the changing historical conditions.
That is what the popes mean by a **true** world political authority. For example, societies need police departments otherwise there would be chaos. There is no advocating a police state. If people think Laudato Si is evil it's because they are evil, or they can't or won't read it for themselves.
The video is highly selective with quotes and twists metaphors like "mother" earth into something not meant in the encyclical.
Basically, its the same old anti-Catholic trash and bible twisting.
The upcoming U.S. visit by Pope Francis is bound to unleash the fury of anti-Catholic activists. Here is an example of what happened when his two predecessors visited America:
1995: Pope John Paul II’s visit to New York City, Newark, and Baltimore
The Lesbian and Gay Papal Visit Coalition and ACT UP led a “Stop the Pope” campaign that included demonstrations and advertisements with demeaning images of the pope.
Feminist Gloria Steinem and actress Olympia Dukakis led more than 1,000 Catholic dissidents, feminists and gay rights activists in a march protesting Church teachings on abortion, birth control, homosexuality, and other matters.
Six people were arrested after unfurling a banner reading “Condoms Save Lives” at Saks Fifth Avenue, overlooking St. Patrick’s Cathedral.
The cover of the LGNY Newspaper, published by “Lesbian & Gay New York,” featured a cartoon depiction of Cardinal O’Connor and Pope John Paul II kissing, with headlines like: “Revealed! REAL Reason for Papal Visit!”; “O’Connor & Pope’s Secret Gay Love!”; “Their Urgent Warning: ‘The Catholic League are False Prophets.'”
Tom Fox, editor of the National Catholic Reporter, told U.S. News that because Pope John Paul grew up under Nazi and Communist regimes, “he fears the freedoms we have in the West.”
2008: Pope Benedict XVI’s visit to Washington, DC and New York City
The National Coalition of American Nuns, a pro-abortion group, declared that the pope was not welcome, while the Women’s Ordination Conference had women dress up like priests to say Mass.
Dignity, a group which once appointed gay rapist Paul Shanley its chaplain, staged a protest of the pope’s visit.
New Ways Ministry held a press conference to promote gay sex.
Catholics for a Free Choice, a pro-abortion anti-Catholic front group, hawked condoms, urging that no one leave home without one.
SNAP (Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests), a group of professional victims who with their lawyers have exploited the Church, called for the United Nations to investigate the Vatican.
And Rainbow Sash, a gay group, promised to throw ashes at the pope instead of confetti.
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At least we know who the video is allied with.
Malachi Martin, mentioned in the video, is a heretic,
Mayor Deblasio is an anti-Catholic bigot.
A one world system of government is not being promoted by the Pope, that is a lie.
BREAKING NEWS! Doing something about millions of starving people is not evil!!!
Here is the full text of Laudato Si, see it for yourself. Paragraph 175 is what all the fuss is about.:
“To manage the global economy; to revive economies hit by the crisis; to avoid any deterioration of the present crisis and the greater imbalances that would result; to bring about integral and timely disarmament, food security and peace; to guarantee the protection of the environment and to regulate migration: for all this, there is urgent need of a true world political authority, as my predecessor Blessed John XXIII indicated some years ago”.
What did Pope John XXIII indicate?
Connection Between the Common Good and Political Authority
136. Now, if one considers carefully the inner significance of the common good on the one hand, and the nature and function of public authority on the other, one cannot fail to see that there is an intrinsic connection between them. Public authority, as the means of promoting the common good in civil society, is a postulate of the moral order. But the moral order likewise requires that this authority be effective in attaining its end. Hence the civil institutions in which such authority resides, becomes operative and promotes its ends, are endowed with a certain kind of structure and efficacy: a structure and efficacy which make such institutions capable of realizing the common good by ways and means adequate to the changing historical conditions.
That is what the popes mean by a **true** world political authority. For example, societies need police departments otherwise there would be chaos. There is no advocating a police state. If people think Laudato Si is evil it's because they are evil, or they can't or won't read it for themselves.
The video is highly selective with quotes and twists metaphors like "mother" earth into something not meant in the encyclical.
Basically, its the same old anti-Catholic trash and bible twisting.
The upcoming U.S. visit by Pope Francis is bound to unleash the fury of anti-Catholic activists. Here is an example of what happened when his two predecessors visited America:
1995: Pope John Paul II’s visit to New York City, Newark, and Baltimore
The Lesbian and Gay Papal Visit Coalition and ACT UP led a “Stop the Pope” campaign that included demonstrations and advertisements with demeaning images of the pope.
Feminist Gloria Steinem and actress Olympia Dukakis led more than 1,000 Catholic dissidents, feminists and gay rights activists in a march protesting Church teachings on abortion, birth control, homosexuality, and other matters.
Six people were arrested after unfurling a banner reading “Condoms Save Lives” at Saks Fifth Avenue, overlooking St. Patrick’s Cathedral.
The cover of the LGNY Newspaper, published by “Lesbian & Gay New York,” featured a cartoon depiction of Cardinal O’Connor and Pope John Paul II kissing, with headlines like: “Revealed! REAL Reason for Papal Visit!”; “O’Connor & Pope’s Secret Gay Love!”; “Their Urgent Warning: ‘The Catholic League are False Prophets.'”
Tom Fox, editor of the National Catholic Reporter, told U.S. News that because Pope John Paul grew up under Nazi and Communist regimes, “he fears the freedoms we have in the West.”
2008: Pope Benedict XVI’s visit to Washington, DC and New York City
The National Coalition of American Nuns, a pro-abortion group, declared that the pope was not welcome, while the Women’s Ordination Conference had women dress up like priests to say Mass.
Dignity, a group which once appointed gay rapist Paul Shanley its chaplain, staged a protest of the pope’s visit.
New Ways Ministry held a press conference to promote gay sex.
Catholics for a Free Choice, a pro-abortion anti-Catholic front group, hawked condoms, urging that no one leave home without one.
SNAP (Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests), a group of professional victims who with their lawyers have exploited the Church, called for the United Nations to investigate the Vatican.
And Rainbow Sash, a gay group, promised to throw ashes at the pope instead of confetti.
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At least we know who the video is allied with.
Bill Donohue comments on some appalling invitations to the pope’s White House visit:
It is so fitting that the least friendly administration to religion in history would invite a collection of pro-abortion nuns, Catholic gay activists, assorted dissidents and religious rebels to attend Pope Francis’ visit to the White House September 23.
These include gay Catholic blogger Aaron Ledesma; Catholic gay activist and Church critic Nicholas Coppola; and Sister Jeannine Gramick, co-founder of the Catholic dissident group New Ways Ministry, who in 1999 was barred by the Vatican from working in ministry to homosexuals. Coppola and Gramick were both invited by GLAAD, which says the White House invited it and LGBT leaders to attend.
Vivien Taylor, who identifies as transgender, not only scored an invite, but was told to bring some friends. He is—including members of Dignity, a Catholic dissident group, and other “transgender and intersex people.”
Also attending is Gene Robinson, the first openly gay Episcopal bishop, who left his wife of 14 years for his male partner, then last year “divorced” that partner.
Also on hand will be Sister Simone Campbell. She is the leader of the “Nuns on the Bus” who actively campaigned for Obamacare with its blatant pro-abortion provisions. We doubt an invitation is on the way to the Little Sisters of the Poor, the nuns being targeted by the administration for remaining true to their Catholic faith and refusing to comply with the pro-abortion mandate. We don’t expect to see them there.
Catholic-baiting is nothing new in Washington. Back in 1994, the Clinton administration’s own Ambassador to the Vatican, Ray Flynn, wrote that he was “embarrassed” by the “ugly anti-Catholic bias that is shown by prominent members of Congress and the administration.”
President Obama, however, has taken it to a new level. From inviting an aggressively anti-religious atheist organization to the White House; to trying to force Catholics, like the Little Sisters, to violate Catholic moral teaching; and now, to this attempt to exploit a papal visit to promote an agenda that is offensive to faithful Catholics, he has shown a religious intolerance that is mind-boggling.
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It is so fitting that the least friendly administration to religion in history would invite a collection of pro-abortion nuns, Catholic gay activists, assorted dissidents and religious rebels to attend Pope Francis’ visit to the White House September 23.
These include gay Catholic blogger Aaron Ledesma; Catholic gay activist and Church critic Nicholas Coppola; and Sister Jeannine Gramick, co-founder of the Catholic dissident group New Ways Ministry, who in 1999 was barred by the Vatican from working in ministry to homosexuals. Coppola and Gramick were both invited by GLAAD, which says the White House invited it and LGBT leaders to attend.
Vivien Taylor, who identifies as transgender, not only scored an invite, but was told to bring some friends. He is—including members of Dignity, a Catholic dissident group, and other “transgender and intersex people.”
Also attending is Gene Robinson, the first openly gay Episcopal bishop, who left his wife of 14 years for his male partner, then last year “divorced” that partner.
Also on hand will be Sister Simone Campbell. She is the leader of the “Nuns on the Bus” who actively campaigned for Obamacare with its blatant pro-abortion provisions. We doubt an invitation is on the way to the Little Sisters of the Poor, the nuns being targeted by the administration for remaining true to their Catholic faith and refusing to comply with the pro-abortion mandate. We don’t expect to see them there.
Catholic-baiting is nothing new in Washington. Back in 1994, the Clinton administration’s own Ambassador to the Vatican, Ray Flynn, wrote that he was “embarrassed” by the “ugly anti-Catholic bias that is shown by prominent members of Congress and the administration.”
President Obama, however, has taken it to a new level. From inviting an aggressively anti-religious atheist organization to the White House; to trying to force Catholics, like the Little Sisters, to violate Catholic moral teaching; and now, to this attempt to exploit a papal visit to promote an agenda that is offensive to faithful Catholics, he has shown a religious intolerance that is mind-boggling.
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The video of the OP is not a church, not an institution. It's produced by some guy who calls himself EvenAtTheDoors that can make impressive looking videos. He has a whopping google following of 39.
There is no such thing as Pope Francis I. There has to be a Pope Francis II, then then Pope Francis becomes Pope Francis I retrospectively. The same error is repeated so it's not a typo, it's typical ignorance.
Given the cultural, political and historical anti-Catholic bigotry in America, and the insult from the White House as described above, the Two Kingdoms is a laughable theory from a video man with an axe to grind.
What ever happened to all those predictions about the past Popes, most of whom are dead, being the anti-Christ?
The drum keeps on pounding, doesn't it?
There is no such thing as Pope Francis I. There has to be a Pope Francis II, then then Pope Francis becomes Pope Francis I retrospectively. The same error is repeated so it's not a typo, it's typical ignorance.
Given the cultural, political and historical anti-Catholic bigotry in America, and the insult from the White House as described above, the Two Kingdoms is a laughable theory from a video man with an axe to grind.
What ever happened to all those predictions about the past Popes, most of whom are dead, being the anti-Christ?
The drum keeps on pounding, doesn't it?
Pope Francis: Here to Preach the Gospel, Not Push Politics
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Read more here:
Excerpt:"...Still, she’d gotten the answer to that question already. As the Pope said himself, and as the panel addressing media said shortly after, the characterization of the Pope as a leftist makes no sense because his views on policy are derived from the Gospel and the social tradition of the Church, which transcend any political ideology..."
"...It was a needed reminder that while his address to Congress and the United Nations have garnered the most attention, it is actually the World Meeting of Families taking place in Philadelphia that brought the Pope to our shores in the first place.
And if the president, the most powerful political figure in the world, can recognize that Pope Francis is about far more than politics, hopefully Catholic citizens can do the same.
OMISSIONS IN PRESIDENT’S WHITE HOUSE WELCOME TO POPE
"The most significant thing about the pope’s first day in the United States was his unscheduled visit to the Little Sisters of the Poor. By embracing this order of nuns, Pope Francis laid down an unmistakable marker: He rejects efforts by the Obama administration to force Catholic nonprofit organizations to pay for, or even sanction, abortion-inducing drugs in their health care plans..."
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What gets me is this video floating around the forum charging the Pope with making secret deals with political powers. What a joke.
OK. You've gotta' admit, this is the perfect response to the most blatant display of hypocrisy seen in days in our nation's capital. Earlier today, President Obama hysterically pretended to support religious freedom while the pope sat just feet away. He said:
You remind us that people are only truly free when they can practice their faith freely. Here in the United States, we cherish religious liberty. Yet around the world at this very moment, children of God, including Christians, are targeted and even killed because of their faith. Believers are prevented from gathering at their places of worship. The faithful are imprisoned. Churches are destroyed. So we stand with you in defense of religious freedom and interfaith dialogue, knowing that people everywhere must be able to live out their faith free from fear and intimidation.
Irony was last seen scratching its head and mumbling incoherently while being chased off the White House lawn. Everyone knows that this administration is no friend to religious freedom.
But Pope Francis spoke quite clearly and honestly about this crucial issue, saying:
Mr. President, together with their fellow citizens, American Catholics are committed to building a society which is truly tolerant and inclusive, to safeguarding the rights of individuals and communities, and to rejecting every form of unjust discrimination. With countless other people of good will, they are likewise concerned that efforts to build a just and wisely ordered society respect their deepest concerns and their right to religious liberty. That freedom remains one of America’s most precious possessions. And, as my brothers, the United States Bishops, have reminded us, all are called to be vigilant, precisely as good citizens, to preserve and defend that freedom from everything that would threaten or compromise it.
Bam.
And here's the best part. Get this, Pope Francis, later that same day made an unscheduled stop to the convent of the Little Sisters of the Poor, who are suing the Obama administration for the right not to comply with the HHS Mandate.
Read more here:
About that video, The Pope does not make secret deals with anyone nor does he make blood oaths. And if church leaders are making secret deals how does the author of the video know about it?
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What gets me is this video floating around the forum charging the Pope with making secret deals with political powers. What a joke.
OK. You've gotta' admit, this is the perfect response to the most blatant display of hypocrisy seen in days in our nation's capital. Earlier today, President Obama hysterically pretended to support religious freedom while the pope sat just feet away. He said:
You remind us that people are only truly free when they can practice their faith freely. Here in the United States, we cherish religious liberty. Yet around the world at this very moment, children of God, including Christians, are targeted and even killed because of their faith. Believers are prevented from gathering at their places of worship. The faithful are imprisoned. Churches are destroyed. So we stand with you in defense of religious freedom and interfaith dialogue, knowing that people everywhere must be able to live out their faith free from fear and intimidation.
Irony was last seen scratching its head and mumbling incoherently while being chased off the White House lawn. Everyone knows that this administration is no friend to religious freedom.
But Pope Francis spoke quite clearly and honestly about this crucial issue, saying:
Mr. President, together with their fellow citizens, American Catholics are committed to building a society which is truly tolerant and inclusive, to safeguarding the rights of individuals and communities, and to rejecting every form of unjust discrimination. With countless other people of good will, they are likewise concerned that efforts to build a just and wisely ordered society respect their deepest concerns and their right to religious liberty. That freedom remains one of America’s most precious possessions. And, as my brothers, the United States Bishops, have reminded us, all are called to be vigilant, precisely as good citizens, to preserve and defend that freedom from everything that would threaten or compromise it.
Bam.
And here's the best part. Get this, Pope Francis, later that same day made an unscheduled stop to the convent of the Little Sisters of the Poor, who are suing the Obama administration for the right not to comply with the HHS Mandate.
Read more here:
About that video, The Pope does not make secret deals with anyone nor does he make blood oaths. And if church leaders are making secret deals how does the author of the video know about it?
Pope Francis' visit is not one where he is bringing concrete solutions to the world's problems. Speaking in generalizations and in a manner to encourage empathy, compassion, and love, while discoursing on a variety of problems that face society and promoting unity as the first step in overcoming any impending crisis, what he is accomplishing and succeeding at, is running an excellent election campaign among his constituents, they being the "kings of the earth", and the popes ambition being to "reign over the kings of the earth". Revel. 17:18. The scriptures clearly reveal that this will be the case. This papal visit, more than any other previously, and this pope, more than any of his predecessors, I see as the beginning of the final culmination of centuries held global ambitions for power, and an impending return to the tyranny of the dark ages.
Yeah, I know that the apparent nature of the speeches, the official encyclicals, the manner of the man, is in direct contradistinction to the above. After all, this pope seems so...soo...nice!
Well, of course he seems so nice. He is not going to win anyone over to his side by being a boof-head is he? But folks, folks, regardless of what is in the front of your eyes...regardless of what your senses and emotions tell you, please, our faiths and our understanding of spiritual truth must not be based on our emotions or senses. The Bible, and only the Bible, must always be our final authority. The Bible is clear. The woman, the apostate church we know as Babylon the Great, in the last days is seen in vision as riding upon the beast, the state power, being supported by the state power, that is the union of the kings of the earth, but having overall power and influence over those kings. Submission to this woman means two things.
One, it means agreement and surrender to her teachings. These teachings are described as the "wine of her fornication"...it is this "wine" that makes the people drunk...in other words, their minds are corrupted, their consciences distorted with lies and "abominations". They become deceived, they ultimately are happy to accept the mark, stamp, or seal of her authority, and are finally and irrevocably lost. This is the fate of the majority of not just the world's population as a whole, but even of the current church as well...as has been clearly evidenced by recent history with the reuniting of so many so-called Protestant leaders with the papacy, and also Orthodox, Jewish, and even Muslim leaders in historically unprecedented meetings with this current Pope.
The second significant consideration of what submission to this harlot's teachings means is the fact that submission in a spiritual sense is a form of worship. Hence Revelation's several declarations like the following and similar, that "all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.".
The only safety folks is in your relationship with Jesus: making certain that your relationship with Him is solid...founded on truth...founded on scripture...and bearing the fruits of righteousness and of the Spirit, and to "Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord." Hebrews 12:14
Revelation 13 is being played out before our very eyes. Sure, there is more to come, but the foundations have been laid, and it need take only a very short time, perhaps helped with the timely intervention of a major 'crisis', for the NWO to be fully implemented, with the Pope being seen as the only viable leader. And while the rulers of this world, both religious and secular, will believe they have finally found the solution to the world's problems, the following will be fulfilled...
1 Thess. 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
6 ¶ Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.
Yeah, I know that the apparent nature of the speeches, the official encyclicals, the manner of the man, is in direct contradistinction to the above. After all, this pope seems so...soo...nice!
Well, of course he seems so nice. He is not going to win anyone over to his side by being a boof-head is he? But folks, folks, regardless of what is in the front of your eyes...regardless of what your senses and emotions tell you, please, our faiths and our understanding of spiritual truth must not be based on our emotions or senses. The Bible, and only the Bible, must always be our final authority. The Bible is clear. The woman, the apostate church we know as Babylon the Great, in the last days is seen in vision as riding upon the beast, the state power, being supported by the state power, that is the union of the kings of the earth, but having overall power and influence over those kings. Submission to this woman means two things.
One, it means agreement and surrender to her teachings. These teachings are described as the "wine of her fornication"...it is this "wine" that makes the people drunk...in other words, their minds are corrupted, their consciences distorted with lies and "abominations". They become deceived, they ultimately are happy to accept the mark, stamp, or seal of her authority, and are finally and irrevocably lost. This is the fate of the majority of not just the world's population as a whole, but even of the current church as well...as has been clearly evidenced by recent history with the reuniting of so many so-called Protestant leaders with the papacy, and also Orthodox, Jewish, and even Muslim leaders in historically unprecedented meetings with this current Pope.
The second significant consideration of what submission to this harlot's teachings means is the fact that submission in a spiritual sense is a form of worship. Hence Revelation's several declarations like the following and similar, that "all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.".
The only safety folks is in your relationship with Jesus: making certain that your relationship with Him is solid...founded on truth...founded on scripture...and bearing the fruits of righteousness and of the Spirit, and to "Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord." Hebrews 12:14
Revelation 13 is being played out before our very eyes. Sure, there is more to come, but the foundations have been laid, and it need take only a very short time, perhaps helped with the timely intervention of a major 'crisis', for the NWO to be fully implemented, with the Pope being seen as the only viable leader. And while the rulers of this world, both religious and secular, will believe they have finally found the solution to the world's problems, the following will be fulfilled...
1 Thess. 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
6 ¶ Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.
Not everyone is dumb enough to buy your fear based bible twisting anti-Catholic hate speech.brakelite said:
I was expecting some gnat straining from somebody on what the Pope actually said. I submit you are afraid of the truths he teaches.
How the Pope used the environment to preach to the UN
Leave ideology behind and care for the human person, Pope tells UN
New York City, N.Y., Sep 25, 2015 / 08:45 am (CNA/EWTN News).- On Friday Pope Francis told members of the United Nations that there is no room for “ideological colonization” in their agenda, and stressed the need to go beyond policies to concrete solutions in caring for the poor and vulnerable, as well as the environment.
If you believe the Pope wants to "reign over the kings of the earth", it's because you are brainwashed by fundamentalist cults and cannot, or will not, think for yourself.
I am going by my Bible, and I am in good company for what I teach is not new, but the simple Spirit led understanding of all those who seek Truth and unafraid of declaring it. Fear filled bible twisting anti catholic hate speech? Mmmmmm. Thats what they said of Wycliffe...Tindale...VonTruchsees... Milicz....Malencthon..... Luther....Huss....Jerome.... Ridley....Knox....Cranmer... .Wesley....Calvin..... Mather....Williams.... Lee....
You don't "go by the Bible", you go by the opinions of Wycliffe...Tindale...VonTruchsees... Milicz....Malencthon..... Luther....Huss....Jerome.... Ridley....Knox....Cranmer... .Wesley....Calvin..... Mather....Williams.... Lee.... and whatever combination that suits you. Anything but the Church that gave you the Bible in the first place, whom one would think, would know what it means.brakelite said:
The Spirit is not the author of theological chaos resulting from such a variety of conflicting opinions.
A kingdom divided against itself cannot stand. (hmm...where have I seen that before?) You claim the Catholic Church is evil and is divided against itself. I see no difference between you and the pharisees who charged Jesus with working from the power of Satan. Jesus had some strong words for such thinking. Our humble Pope constantly advocates for the poor and the reality of his words does not fit your fantasies. That's why you avoid them.
May God heal you of your bigotry.
But the vast majority of those listed were Roman Catholics, some of them priests. They didn't want to reform your church without good reason. Sadly, the church didnt want reform, and decided to murder the messenger. Oh, and they may have differed on some stuff...after all, they were each receiving revelation concerning error and heresy in the church, and dealing with it as light dawned...today, we have a clearer picture of the depths of evil the RCC was willing to go to having their blood as a witness. And one thing they did agree on though...unanimously...the system of Catholicism was Antichrist.The system has removed Christ from His rightful place as high priest in the heavenly sanctuary and replaced Him with a counterfeit sanctuary...a counterfeit priesthood...a counterfeit mediator...a counterfeit sacrifice...a counterfeit way of salvation. A counterfeit Christ. An Antichrist.
You are following the man made traditions of men.
For the Protestant Reformers to rationalize breaking away from what was universally acknowledged in their culture as the Christian Church, it was necessary for them to deny the Catholic Church’s authority. To maintain their positions, they were forced to portray it as a kind of "anti-Church" that was unjustly claiming the prerogatives of Christ’s true (but invisible) Church.
Their chief target was, of course, the pope. To justify breaking away from the successor of Peter, they had to undercut the Petrine office itself. They were forced to deny the plain reading of Matthew 16:18—that Jesus made Peter the rock on which he would build his Church.
More recent Protestants have been able to back away from the position that early Protestants felt forced to make and have been able to admit that Peter is, indeed, the rock. It remains to be seen whether they will start drawing the necessary inferences from this fact.
For the Protestant Reformers to rationalize breaking away from what was universally acknowledged in their culture as the Christian Church, it was necessary for them to deny the Catholic Church’s authority. To maintain their positions, they were forced to portray it as a kind of "anti-Church" that was unjustly claiming the prerogatives of Christ’s true (but invisible) Church.
Their chief target was, of course, the pope. To justify breaking away from the successor of Peter, they had to undercut the Petrine office itself. They were forced to deny the plain reading of Matthew 16:18—that Jesus made Peter the rock on which he would build his Church.
More recent Protestants have been able to back away from the position that early Protestants felt forced to make and have been able to admit that Peter is, indeed, the rock. It remains to be seen whether they will start drawing the necessary inferences from this fact.
It is more than just doctrine that gives powerful reason to turn away with utter repugnance to any unity with the Roman church. Some may be wondering why I am so much against the Roman church. Bigotry? Misguided faith? Misinformed as to the character of the modern Roman church? I have no fear of your judgement in this matter. Apart from doctrinal differences which I am strongly against compromising, and apart from the clear prophetic indicators that identify the papacy as Antichrist, which indicators I have written of in many posts throughout the forum, the following information ought on its own be sufficient to make one spew blood at the very thought of any unity, under any circumstances, with the Vatican. What is exposed here is not in the public limelight. Why not? And what is more horrifying is not so much what it reveals, but the potential of evil that it hides. The information here described applies to just two or three generations. The papacy has been around for 1500 years.
There are many genuine Christians in the Catholic communion, living to the fullest according to what light they have. I have such a burden for those who are entrapped and deceived by this monstrous evil. God calls you out my Catholic friends and brothers who love Jesus. He says,
Re 18:4 .... Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
As horrific as the following may reveal, it is merely the very tip of the iceberg of abominations that can be justifiably laid at the feet of the Vatican. These investigations, which began many years ago, are continuing to this day.
http://beforeitsnews.com/crime-all-stars/2014/06/catholic-mass-grave-sites-of-350800-missing-children-found-in-ireland-spain-canada-2449824.html
There are many genuine Christians in the Catholic communion, living to the fullest according to what light they have. I have such a burden for those who are entrapped and deceived by this monstrous evil. God calls you out my Catholic friends and brothers who love Jesus. He says,
Re 18:4 .... Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
As horrific as the following may reveal, it is merely the very tip of the iceberg of abominations that can be justifiably laid at the feet of the Vatican. These investigations, which began many years ago, are continuing to this day.
http://beforeitsnews.com/crime-all-stars/2014/06/catholic-mass-grave-sites-of-350800-missing-children-found-in-ireland-spain-canada-2449824.html
There is truckloads of biblical and historical evidence to prove the papacy began with Peter, the evidence is there for anyone who wishes to see it. Arguing with a person who accepts revisionist history is a waste of time. I strongly recommend several trips to the library history section.brakelite said:
But I would like to thank you for the opportunity to expose the story in your link as A BIG FAT LIE.
Over the past month, (May-June, 2014) the public has been treated to a series of news stories alleging that Irish nuns threw almost 800 babies into a septic tank outside a home for “fallen women” and children in the 20th century. As it turns out, the “mass grave” story is a hoax.
To read Bill Donohue’s article, “Ireland’s ‘Mass Grave’ Hysteria,” click here. It is being widely distributed in Ireland, England, and the United States.
IRELAND’S “MASS GRAVE” HOAX; MEDIA SMEAR NUNS
Catalyst July/August Issue 2014, Front PageMass hysteria has gripped Ireland, England, and the United States over reports that nearly 800 bodies of children have been found in a mass grave outside a former home run by nuns in Tuam, near Galway. The Catholic Church has been hammered incessantly, and shrill cries of maltreatment abound. Fresh off the heels of horror stories about the Magdalene Laundries, and the torment of Philomena Lee (as recorded in the film, “Philomena”), the public is reeling from the latest report of abuse at the hands of cruel nuns.
None of this is true. There is no mass grave. Women were not abused by nuns in the Magdalene Laundries. And Philomena’s son was never taken from her and then sold to the highest bidder. The evidence that the public has been hosed is overwhelming. Truths, half-truths, and flat-out lies are driving all three stories. That’s a bad stew, the result of which is to whip up anti-Catholic sentiment. This is no accident.
Regarding the latest hoax, many reporters and pundits have charged that the “mass grave” story is “Ireland’s Holocaust.” The Nazi analogy belittles what happened to Jews under Hitler, and dishonors Irish nuns. The nuns never put kids into ovens; they did not starve them to death; and they did not torture anyone. Even if the most glaringly dishonest stories about children who died in Irish homes were true, they would not come close to approaching the monstrous atrocities that Jews endured under the Nazis. To make such a comparison is obscene.
It is true that 796 children died in the Tuam home between 1925 and 1961, and their whereabouts is uncertain. But that hardly merits the fantastic leap that wicked nuns dumped them in a septic tank, treating them as if they were raw sewage. There is not a scintilla of evidence to back up this scurrilous accusation. Yet in May and June, this propaganda was disseminated on both sides of the Atlantic, treated as if it were an accurate account.
What is perhaps most striking about this story is the extent to which much of the mainstream media has had to walk back its inflammatory stories. The Associated Press even apologized in June for distorting the record. But the damage has been done: once again, the Catholic Church in Ireland has been unfairly blamed for persecuting innocent women and children.
Anti-Catholicism in Ireland, England, and the United States is fueling the “mass grave” hysteria. It’s a sick appetite, and there is no shortage of irresponsible persons feeding it.
Get that, brakelite? It’s a sick appetite, and there is no shortage of irresponsible persons feeding it.
Hey brakelite, is this movie one of your favorites?
“PHILOMENA” SMEARS CATHOLICISM
Bill Donohue comments on a movie that has been nominated for four Oscars:
Owing to many false impressions about Catholicism that have been generated by the movie, “Philomena,” I decided to write an extensive review of the film, and the book upon which it is based.
The film and the book maintain that cruel Irish nuns stole Philomena’s baby in 1952 and sold him to “the highest bidder.” In reality, Philomena’s widowed father found the nuns—the only persons willing to accept the teenager’s out-of-wedlock baby—and they subsequently found a home for him in the United States; no fee was charged.
The film and the book also maintain that Philomena went to the United States to find her son, but this is patently untrue: she never set foot in America looking for him.
Copies of my analysis of the controversy surrounding “Philomena” are being sent to the bishops, many in the media (in the United States, England and Ireland), those in the entertainment business, various Irish organizations, and friends of the Catholic League.
To download a copy of it, click here.
“PHILOMENA” SMEARS CATHOLICISM
Bill Donohue comments on a movie that has been nominated for four Oscars:
Owing to many false impressions about Catholicism that have been generated by the movie, “Philomena,” I decided to write an extensive review of the film, and the book upon which it is based.
The film and the book maintain that cruel Irish nuns stole Philomena’s baby in 1952 and sold him to “the highest bidder.” In reality, Philomena’s widowed father found the nuns—the only persons willing to accept the teenager’s out-of-wedlock baby—and they subsequently found a home for him in the United States; no fee was charged.
The film and the book also maintain that Philomena went to the United States to find her son, but this is patently untrue: she never set foot in America looking for him.
Copies of my analysis of the controversy surrounding “Philomena” are being sent to the bishops, many in the media (in the United States, England and Ireland), those in the entertainment business, various Irish organizations, and friends of the Catholic League.
To download a copy of it, click here.
Kepha.
First.... if the account I posted of the mass grave in Ireland is untrue, then I unreservedly apologize to those nuns. However, there is still the reports from indigenous peoples of Canada and elsewhere of gross abuse and the stealing of children from their families by governments with the approval and participation of the church. There are continuing investigations into these and other matters such as the widespread pedophilia problem and recently there was even apologies offered from the Canadian government and official recognition that entire generations of children were removed and offered for adoption while being held against their will and against their parents will in church institutions. The aboriginal people of Australia are going through this very painful and pitiful process as we write.
Second.....I had never heard of Philomena until I read that article and take no notice of Hollywood and do not use them as a source of information.It doesn't surprise me that some embellishments and poetic license are strong contributors to strengthening the power of a film to tell its story...what surprises me is they were so in a story about the Catholic church...not normally a subject for arrows from Hollywood...my impression has been that the RCC is treated very favourably by the entertainment industry.
Third.....nowhere will you find in any of my posts throughout this entire forum any hint or suggestion that would lead anyone, except the most fanatical and desperate defenders of Catholicism, to believe I contend that the pope is the Antichrist.
First.... if the account I posted of the mass grave in Ireland is untrue, then I unreservedly apologize to those nuns. However, there is still the reports from indigenous peoples of Canada and elsewhere of gross abuse and the stealing of children from their families by governments with the approval and participation of the church. There are continuing investigations into these and other matters such as the widespread pedophilia problem and recently there was even apologies offered from the Canadian government and official recognition that entire generations of children were removed and offered for adoption while being held against their will and against their parents will in church institutions. The aboriginal people of Australia are going through this very painful and pitiful process as we write.
Second.....I had never heard of Philomena until I read that article and take no notice of Hollywood and do not use them as a source of information.It doesn't surprise me that some embellishments and poetic license are strong contributors to strengthening the power of a film to tell its story...what surprises me is they were so in a story about the Catholic church...not normally a subject for arrows from Hollywood...my impression has been that the RCC is treated very favourably by the entertainment industry.
Third.....nowhere will you find in any of my posts throughout this entire forum any hint or suggestion that would lead anyone, except the most fanatical and desperate defenders of Catholicism, to believe I contend that the pope is the Antichrist.
brakelite said:
residential schools in Canada
pedophilia
church abductions
aboriginal people of Australia
I don't reply to shot gun tactics. One at a time please.
Really?
"...especially as Disney owns ABC, the network that airs the anti-Catholic show “The View.” And under its Miramax label in the past, Disney has given us such anti-Catholic movies as “Priest,” “Dogma,” “Butcher Boy,” “40 Days and 40 Nights,” “The Magdalene Sisters” and “Black Christmas.” and more since this was published.
How refreshing. Do you know what a spiritual sadist is?
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