The Qualification for Holiness

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so how do you get FAITH? and how do you believe?
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"faith comes by HEARING, and Hearing by the word of God".

"How can they BELIEVE, unless they hear, unless someone who is sent, tells them"..

The word of God is a SEED< that is sown, as " by the foolishness of Preaching, God saves them who BELIEVE"

Is the "Preaching of the CROSS" that is what Faith is all about... that you respond to as the Holy Spirit draws you ....

So, like that, 101g.


Now here is what they never tell you... because most of them don't know..

Your Salvation is Completed by God and your Faith is completed by Jesus.

We come to God like this....> as the UNGODLY who are Justified. Romans 4:5
We give God our Faith, and He and Jesus take it from there..

1.) """""God who began salvation IN the Born Again,...will HIMSELF be Faithful to COMPLETE IT<"""""
2.) """""Jesus, the Author and FINISHER of your Faith.""""""

See those?
Thats your Salvation....Thats why you stay saved.
And when you are not taught this, which is about 99.9% of all the born again in the world today, then nearly all end up becoming a deceived victim regarding trying to perform to keep your salvation and please God.

If you can find a teacher or minister or similar who understands #1 an #2, and teaches this as God's Grace, then park yourself in that Church, and thank GOD that you found it.
 

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Now, our sister, Rahab, "Saint", or "Sinner"......... "Saint". Canaanite, or israelite ....... israelite. Gentile, or Jew ...... Jew.
there has bee a lot said about this woman, and 90% of it before, was incorrect. after many re-reading on this woman, and countless hours of research, I will categorize this woman in this classification, "A Child of God". I first notice from her, the devotion in God. Joshua 2:11 "And as soon as we had heard these things, our hearts did melt, neither did there remain any more courage in any man, because of you: for the LORD your God, he is God in heaven above, and in earth beneath." Joshua 2:12 "Now therefore, I pray you, swear unto me by the LORD, since I have shewed you kindness, that ye will also shew kindness unto my father's house, and give me a true token:"

a few takeways here. A. this woman declared, "for the LORD your God, he is God in heaven above, and in earth beneath."
B. She prayed, "Now therefore, I pray you,"

and here's the big takeaway, C. "since I have shewed you kindness, that ye will also shew kindness unto my father's house"
Kindness? yes, Kindness, which is the Hebrew word,
H2617 חֵסֵד checed (cheh'-sed) n-m.
1. kindness.
2. (by implication, towards God) piety.
3. (by opposition, rarely) reproof.
4. (subjectively) beauty.
[from H2616]
KJV: favour, good deed(-liness, -ness), kindly, (loving-)kindness, merciful (kindness), mercy, pity, reproach, wicked thing.
Root(s): H2616

MERCY? what did Micah 6:8 say, "He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?" BINGO. oh the treasure of God's holy word.

What did God by the prophet say, "He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee". MERCY.

I tell you, @amadeus, my friend, your Amen in the beginning, has open up this topic, for I'm finding more Jewels in the Lord's treasure chest of his Goodness. again I thank God for you.

may we all be blessed. I tell you, when you open your bible, you open God's treasure chest. more on this woman to come.

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Give God the glory my friend. What I noticed a long time ago was another one of those paradox/contradiction types because Rahab told an untruth, [a lie?] in order to save the two spies. Because of her lie, she saved them and was saved herself... yet in the NT Paul and John write strongly against liars. God has not changed. Again what is Word of God?
 

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Give God the glory my friend. What I noticed a long time ago was another one of those paradox/contradiction types because Rahab told an untruth, [a lie?] in order to save the two spies. Because of her lie, she saved them and was saved herself... yet in the NT Paul and John write strongly against liars. God has not changed. Again what is Word of God?
One could make the observation that Rahab did not lie by God's standards.
Proverbs 28:5 Those who forsake the law praise the wicked, but those who keep the law resist them. 5Evil men do not understand justice, but those who seek the LORD comprehend fully.6Better a poor man who walks with integrity than a rich man whose ways are perverse.…
 
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Rahab wasn't the only one that lied. Jesus also lied. Maybe there's a translation error in "there" . . . somewhere (and perhaps the same with Rahab).

John 7:3-10 NLT - ". . . and Jesus' brothers said to him, "Leave here and go to Judea, where your followers can see your miracles! 4 You can't become famous if you hide like this! If you can do such wonderful things, show yourself to the world!" 5 For even his brothers didn't believe in him. 6 Jesus replied, "Now is not the right time for me to go, but you can go anytime. 7 The world can't hate you, but it does hate me because I accuse it of doing evil. 8 You go on. I'm not going to this festival, because my time has not yet come." 9 After saying these things, Jesus remained in Galilee. 10 But after his brothers left for the festival, Jesus also went, though secretly, staying out of public view."
 

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Rahab wasn't the only one that lied. Jesus also lied. Maybe there's a translation error in "there" . . . somewhere (and perhaps the same with Rahab).

John 7:3-10 NLT - ". . . and Jesus' brothers said to him, "Leave here and go to Judea, where your followers can see your miracles! 4 You can't become famous if you hide like this! If you can do such wonderful things, show yourself to the world!" 5 For even his brothers didn't believe in him. 6 Jesus replied, "Now is not the right time for me to go, but you can go anytime. 7 The world can't hate you, but it does hate me because I accuse it of doing evil. 8 You go on. I'm not going to this festival, because my time has not yet come." 9 After saying these things, Jesus remained in Galilee. 10 But after his brothers left for the festival, Jesus also went, though secretly, staying out of public view."
Jesus says, his time, for crucifixion, has not yet come. If you read the full chapter you realize why he would not attend the festival in Galilee with his brothers, the Apostles. Because the authorities were looking for Jesus. Who would be with his brothers/Apostles.
If the authorities had happened to ask any of his brothers of his whereabouts, his brothers would not lie in saying he was not at the festival with them.

All things in God's good timing.

Bible Gateway passage: John 7 - New English Translation
 

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I admit I have not read every post...just the first page.

My search for Holiness was complete when I met my Saviour face to face.
He IS Holiness ...we will never find Holiness outside of Him.
Our own works are as filthy rags ...self works ...

He IS our only hope.

We may not be mature yet or complete in Him , yet.
Like a little green apple on a tree...it is not yet ripe, not yet ready to be plucked, not yet all it is going to be...but that little green apple is perfectly formed , and drinking in the wind, rain , and sunshine to come to maturity.

IMHO
 
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One could make the observation that Rahab did not lie by God's standards.
Proverbs 28:5 Those who forsake the law praise the wicked, but those who keep the law resist them. 5Evil men do not understand justice, but those who seek the LORD comprehend fully.6Better a poor man who walks with integrity than a rich man whose ways are perverse.…
Aye, we are in agreement generally but there is also what I said about the Word of God.
 
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We may not be mature yet or complete in Him , yet.

Sure you are! Wouldn't it be nice if our pastors and teachers would have given us the Truth?! :)

Colossians 2:10-15 KJV - "And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: 11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: 12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with [him] through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15 [And] having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it."
 
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I admit I have not read every post...just the first page.

My search for Holiness was complete when I met my Saviour face to face.
He IS Holiness ...we will never find Holiness outside of Him.
Our own works are as filthy rags ...self works ...

He IS our only hope.

We may not be mature yet or complete in Him , yet.
Like a little green apple on a tree...it is not yet ripe, not yet ready to be plucked, not yet all it is going to be...but that little green apple is perfectly formed , and drinking in the wind, rain , and sunshine to come to maturity.

IMHO
If not overly personal, and I am new so if you have shared this previously please forgive my question, would you care to share how you came to meet our Savior face to face?
 

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If not overly personal, and I am new so if you have shared this previously please forgive my question, would you care to share how you came to meet our Savior face to face?

That is my way of saying- "The day I met the Lord in a little Mission Hall 1964, and night became light in my soul". :)
 

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"faith comes by HEARING, and Hearing by the word of God".

"How can they BELIEVE, unless they hear, unless someone who is sent, tells them"..

The word of God is a SEED< that is sown, as " by the foolishness of Preaching, God saves them who BELIEVE"

Is the "Preaching of the CROSS" that is what Faith is all about... that you respond to as the Holy Spirit draws you ....

So, like that, 101g.


Now here is what they never tell you... because most of them don't know..

Your Salvation is Completed by God and your Faith is completed by Jesus.

We come to God like this....> as the UNGODLY who are Justified. Romans 4:5
We give God our Faith, and He and Jesus take it from there..

1.) """""God who began salvation IN the Born Again,...will HIMSELF be Faithful to COMPLETE IT<"""""
2.) """""Jesus, the Author and FINISHER of your Faith.""""""

See those?
Thats your Salvation....Thats why you stay saved.
And when you are not taught this, which is about 99.9% of all the born again in the world today, then nearly all end up becoming a deceived victim regarding trying to perform to keep your salvation and please God.

If you can find a teacher or minister or similar who understands #1 an #2, and teaches this as God's Grace, then park yourself in that Church, and thank GOD that you found it.
GINOLJC, to all.
first thanks for your reply, but Faith come from God, and everybody got it. now it's what one do with it. supportive scripture, Romans 12:3 "For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith."

notice "EVERYONE" has Faith, yes the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly. everyone has FAITH, if anyone, christian or not sits in a chair, they have Faith that the chair will sustain their weight. so, get the notion out of your head that FAITH is only Religious.

also every man have the... and not a measure of FAITH, so starting out eceryone have the same amount. as said, it's what one do with it. in a sinner case... meaning all of us is to answer the call of God. just as when someone preach the gospel to you. as in Romans 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." THE HEARING ACTIVATE YOUR FAITH. it move one to answer the call. (but that's another whole topic),

Then you said, "Your Salvation is Completed by God and your Faith is completed by Jesus". if you didn't know, I guess not, JESUS IS GOD.

You said, 1.) """""God who began salvation IN the Born Again,...will HIMSELF be Faithful to COMPLETE IT<"""""
God's salvation began the natural day that you was born, from your mother's womb. 2 Timothy 1:5 "When I call to remembrance the unfeigned faith that is in thee, which dwelt first in thy grandmother Lois, and thy mother Eunice; and I am persuaded that in thee also."
2 Timothy 1:6 "Wherefore I put thee in remembrance that thou stir up the gift of God, which is in thee by the putting on of my hands." and "SALVATION" is a gift, and it's FREE.

You said, "And when you are not taught this, which is about 99.9% of all the born again in the world today, then nearly all end up becoming a deceived victim regarding trying to perform to keep your salvation and please God."
everyone knows, because as said, someone is going to tell you. supportive scripture, Jeremiah 31:34 "And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."

Now if the LORD said that they are going to KNOW, then I agree with God.

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Foundation Scriptures:
NT: 1 Peter 1:14 "As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:"
1 Peter 1:15 "But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;"
1 Peter 1:16 "Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy."

OT: Leviticus 19:2 "Speak unto all the congregation of the children of Israel, and say unto them, Ye shall be holy: for I the LORD your God am holy."
Leviticus 11:44 "For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

Teaching Scripture: Micah 6:8 "He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?"

if any Christian out there, that is still looking for a formula to obtain Holiness, well look no further. I want to thank my Lord and God for allowing me to place this in the BIBLE STUDY section, so that we all may examine this for ourselves. and that it might hjelp someone in their search of Holiness. also I would Like to thank my God for my Friend @amadeus who with his AMEN on Micah 6:8 nudge me into bring this out. I now see the reason he, the Lord Jesus, God almighty constantly brought me back to this scripture. many of lay christian seem Holiness is unattainable in their lifetime.

Micah 6:8 give us the basic ingredients in perfection, “Holiness”. so what is Holiness? it is a dedication or consecration to God or a religious purpose, sacred, or set apart. which all member of the church are … set apart. to set apart is to separate oneself from this world. 2 Corinthians 6:17 "Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you," 2 Corinthians 6:18 "And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty."

so in sanctification, or the setting apart, the very first step toward Holiness is baptism. YES BAPTISM, look it up, another word, or a word that is synonyms with sanctification is … yes, BAPTISM. (and some teach you don’t have to have it). in this used as a noun, (A person's initiation into a particular activity or role, typically one perceived as difficult), hence the reason the baptism of water it is in obedience to God command, not just a sign or symbol. Sanctification is God's transformation of a believer's whole being, that is the mind, will, behaviors, and affections through the work of the Holy Spirit. meaning it’s a “PROCESS”, see (Hebrews 12:2).

so the first step in the process of Holiness is Baptism. Justification is God's declaration that a sinner is righteous through the work of Jesus Christ. Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" Romans 3:24 "Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:"

(this Grace is a call of, (“to come out”), a separating of one’s self from the world. then one set their mind solely on God… to be “dedicated” which is to be devoted to a task or purpose, having single-minded loyalty or integrity. can we place that definition in a word found in the bible? how about the term, “devout”, or God fearing men and women.

the purpose of this post in the “BIBLE STUDY” section is for the reader who can find any men and or women in the bible who meet the qualification of “Holiness”, and examine their own lives and learn from them. I have quite a few at the top of my head. sometimes looking at actual ordinary people in the bible, in their will/dedication, and behaviour/Living to please God. we ourselves can learn for these men and women in the OT and NT in our walk with God. based on at least one of these qualification found in in Micah 6:8. who do you believe qualified. a. do justly. b. love mercy. and c. walk humbly with thy God.

one of my picks, the widow woman of Zarephath. and our brother Joseph, husband of Mary.

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Overall, I would agree with you on what you have posted. But it does present us with a huge problem, a roadblock we find ourselves unable to get around. You mentioned that holiness is, at its essence, wholly consecrating yourself to God... absolute surrender. And this is true.

So what is the hold-up? It is that we cannot do so as long as there is a tug of war inside us between our old nature and our new one. If we still find ourselves battling it out in Romans 7 for supremacy, the result will invariably be us doing the things we long to avoid, and not doing those things we truly desire to do. And if this be the case, we cannot see the holiness of God manifested through us, because of our inability to fully consecrate ourselves to God, for a traitor still lives within us. We will be attempting to fly to God with the anchor of our old nature, our flesh, tied around our leg. And that anchor, our old man, our carnal nature, can never yield to God and will always resist God's pull. There is but one hope of being holy. The old us must die.

But how?? How does one get control over an uncontrollable fleshly nature that seeks its own first? Is there an answer to this terrible dilemma? Absolutely, for if there is not, then we are all doomed to just "doing the best we can, because after all we are only human." You mentioned baptism as the first step. An unusual answer to be sure, but indeed very true, for here is hidden the answer we need.

Baptism in our minds is an act, a ceremony, that we are called to do in obedience to our God. But what we have really missed is what this act actually signifies. And what is that? It signifies the truths Paul states to us in Romans 6.

1) When Christ died, so did we. Our old carnal nature died with Him.

2) When Christ rose from the dead, so did we. We were given brand new natures.

And we all a knowledge these as truths. The only problem is, we are acknowledging them with our heads, but our hearts remain unmoved, not walking in agreement. LOL. These two earth-shattering truths must move from head knowledge to heart knowledge in order for the benefits to be manifested in our walks.

And how is this to be accomplished? There is but one way. God asks us to come into agreement with what He has declared and to accept these truths as OUR truths, OUR possession, right this very moment. And when we do, we discover the protection our shield of faith offers us, the shield that keeps the enemy totally at bay in our lives. God asks us to believe, despite what we feel or how we look, that Paul is not lying when tells us in Romans 8 that we are no longer in the flesh, but in the spirit, and that we owe the flesh NOTHING. Glory!

And when we come to the place we can admit that even after many years or even decades, we really are not walking in true holiness, though we long to, and we seek our God for the answer that has eluded us, we have our eyes opened to what God wants from us.... faith to believe that our old nature we constantly battle is a mirage, a lie from satan, empowered by our unbelief. And when we do.... and we will.... then to our amazement and great joy, we discover that we can be holy right now, this very minute. Amazing God!

When we declare with an audacious faith, based upon nothing but that God said it, that the old us IS dead, not needing to die, the hurdle blocking our way into the Holy of Holies is removed and destroyed. It is in this way we make our tree good, and pave the way for God to begin growing His fruits in our lives.

It is then that we can finally yield ourselves to God as those who are alive from the dead. It is this truth, this arming ourselves with our testimony as to who we are and who we are not, finally coming into agreement with God, that allows that holy seed, that pure nature deep inside us to begin to GROW.

Does this mean we will be perfect and without flaws immediately? Not at all. Our unbelief up til now has empowered our old nature to exert influence over us and has left scars of our walking without our shields of faith raised. Do not be confused by what you see and your lack of fruits. Praise God, it is not our job to change ourselves, it is the job of our master potter. And as we continue in the truth that we are new creatures, we will find our God fashioning us into His image, from glory to glory. What amazing news to those 'weary because of the way'!

This reckoning God asks of us is what allows us to begin the progressive part of our being sanctified wholly, body, soul and spirit. But until we are fully set on the potters wheel as new creatures, He cannot do His work for our unbelief limits the working of His hands. He wants one thing of us.... faith that He is not a man that He might lie. He wants us to believe in spite of, rather than because of.

He does not need to change us from old man to new man. It has already occurred. Nor do we somehow need to kill our old nature. It is already dead, praise God, and all God asks is that we appropriate it by reckoning ourselves dead to sin and alive to Him.

What prevents us from taking this amazingly easy step? Nothing. And as individual believers awaken to the truths Paul shares with us in Romans 6, and by reckoning it so, they light their lamps, they will see God move in ways we simply did not think even possible. Do we long for a revival that will turn the world, as well as our own hearts, upside down? It is coming, and there is not a reason one that today cannot be your day to walk fully consecrated.... holy.... before your God.

blessings,

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our sister Hannah, what Faith she had and she humble herself before the Lord. she was Married, but without children.

1 Samuel 1:9 "So Hannah rose up after they had eaten in Shiloh, and after they had drunk. Now Eli the priest sat upon a seat by a post of the temple of the LORD."
1 Samuel 1:10 "And she was in bitterness of soul, and prayed unto the LORD, and wept sore."
1 Samuel 1:11 "And she vowed a vow, and said, O LORD of hosts, if thou wilt indeed look on the affliction of thine handmaid, and remember me, and not forget thine handmaid, but wilt give unto thine handmaid a man child, then I will give him unto the LORD all the days of his life, and there shall no razor come upon his head."
1 Samuel 1:12 "And it came to pass, as she continued praying before the LORD, that Eli marked her mouth."
1 Samuel 1:13 "Now Hannah, she spake in her heart; only her lips moved, but her voice was not heard: therefore Eli thought she had been drunken."

the silent prayer, the torpedo in the water. salvation under the radar. this woman called upon the Name of the Lord to deliever here from her shame. (no children). but what's so interesting is the words she used, "remember me". it brought me right back to captian Cornelius. scripture, Acts 10:1 "There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band," Acts 10:2 "A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway." Acts 10:3 "He saw in a vision evidently about the ninth hour of the day an angel of God coming in to him, and saying unto him, Cornelius." Acts 10:4 "And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God."
this term "memorial" is the Greek word,
G3422 μνημόσυνον mnemosunon (mnee-mo-sï '-non) n.
a reminder (memorandum), i.e. record.
[from G3421]
KJV: memorial
Root(s): G3421

it is the same word in the Hebrew found in Malachi 3:16 "Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name."
here the Hebrew word "remembrance" is
H2146 זִכרוֹן zikrown (zik-rone') n-m.
a memento (or memorable thing, day or writing).
[from H2142]
KJV: memorial, record.
Root(s): H2142

BINGO, both means the same things. God remember his own. Just as with the thief on the cross, was he saved? lets see, Luke 23:42 "And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom." Luke 23:43 "And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise." so deliverance/salvation was secure of the thief. for neither the theif, nor the Lord Jesus that DAY went to paradise. for our Lord wnt into hell to preached to the spirit there. so this wod, "remember" me is the PROMISE MADE.

and our sister Hanna got the PROMISE. so not only was she Just, but walk with her God. and God had mercy on her, and was Just with her. as he was with the thief on the cross. "remember", one should read this in Malachi 3:16-18 it is the promise of SALVATION to all who call upon his name.

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So what is the hold-up? It is that we cannot do so as long as there is a tug of war inside us between our old nature and our new one. If we still find ourselves battling it out in Romans 7 for supremacy, the result will invariably be us doing the things we long to avoid, and not doing those things we truly desire to do. And if this be the case, we cannot see the holiness of God manifested through us, because of our inability to fully consecrate ourselves to God, for a traitor still lives within us. We will be attempting to fly to God with the anchor of our old nature, our flesh, tied around our leg. And that anchor, our old man, our carnal nature, can never yield to God and will always resist God's pull. There is but one hope of being holy. The old us must die.

But how?? How does one get control over an uncontrollable fleshly nature that seeks its own first? Is there an answer to this terrible dilemma? Absolutely, for if there is not, then we are all doomed to just "doing the best we can, because after all we are only human." You mentioned baptism as the first step. An unusual answer to be sure, but indeed very true, for here is hidden the answer we need.
first thanks for the reply, second, this is why we have a "HELPER", meaning a "COMFORTER" in these trying times. God will sustain us.

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also every man has the... and not a measure of FAITH, so starting out everyone has the same amount. as said, it's what one does with it. in a sinner case... meaning all of us is to answer the call of God.

I've never heard this before. How does one who was created for destruction, answer the call of God? How does one who is from Below, answer that call, while only those from Above can and will? And those chosen before the creation of the world . . . what about those who were not chosen? And do not the Heavenly Scrolls determine who will be saved and who is not? Are those Scrolls over-writable by mere humans, or be Evil spirits, somehow? Is it not God Himself who chooses His Children? Isn't it He that Grants His Grace, Compassion, and Mercy to those whom He chooses? And certainly those from the Seven Nations, those who were called to be destroyed by God Himself . . . surely, those abominations were not intended to have Faith. I could go on and on, but it's barely 7 am and my eyes are still squinted because of the overhead light! :)
 

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I've never heard this before. How does one who was created for destruction, answer the call of God?
Everyone has Faith, even the devil, and he's very Faithful in what he dose. see, just because the devil is EVIL, he's not SIN.

now as for those who are or are NOT, ask God for that answer... ok. for I don't know who is fitted for what degree of destruction.

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Everyone has Faith, even the devil

Good sir, if you are indeed a sir . . . Faith is the result of a Circumcised Heart, hence, Abraham is the Father of those who have a right Heart with God. Spiritual Circumcision is the lifting of the Curse of Adam and Eve. And this right Heart is the Work of the Spirit. Therefore, it is impossible that Satan was, is, or will be the recipient of Circumcision, the requirement for Salvation.

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I've never heard this before. How does one who was created for destruction, answer the call of God? How does one who is from Below, answer that call, while only those from Above can and will? And those chosen before the creation of the world . . . what about those who were not chosen? And do not the Heavenly Scrolls determine who will be saved and who is not? Are those Scrolls over-writable by mere humans, or be Evil spirits, somehow? Is it not God Himself who chooses His Children? Isn't it He that Grants His Grace, Compassion, and Mercy to those whom He chooses? And certainly those from the Seven Nations, those who were called to be destroyed by God Himself . . . surely, those abominations were not intended to have Faith. I could go on and on, but it's barely 7 am and my eyes are still squinted because of the overhead light! :)
In the beginning of our course as a man, a tiny infant born to its natural mother, there is a Light:

"That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world." John 1:9 This is Not speaking of a person born again. It is rather what we see that draws us [the Father draws us] so that we may realize the need to be born again from above. That glimmer of Light gives us direction, if we will move toward it...

"I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus." Phil 3:14

"Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life" John 8:12
 
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