The Rapture and the Tribulation - Short

[The Light]

Nope nope nope.

You just took 3.5 years out of the 70th week by inserting it. I would think SI will applaud those historicist "discoveries"
There is ZERO of tge 70th week transpired.
THAT IS THE MYSTERY.
WE are in the "pause"
If you are gonna remove 3.5 years out of Jacob's trouble, then what about the other 2000 years?
What do you do with that?

I know this is not what you have been taught or understand, I'm talking about what the scripture says.

There are only 3.5 years left in the 70th week of Daniel.

Scripture is very clear. From the time of the decree to rebuild Jerusalem to Messiah the prince there are 69 weeks. After 69 weeks the Messiah is cut off. That is when He is crucified. That is 3.5 years after the 69 weeks.

I don't care what everyone has been taught. I don't care if every prophecy expert in the world disagrees, All I care about is what the scripture says.

There is a final week that will begin when a covenant with many is made. The AC will set up the AOD in the midst of the week.

Daniel 9
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The Church will be on earth when the covenant with many is made as Noah was not sealed in ark 7 days before the flood. The first day was spent loading the animals and we don't know what day the Lord shut the door on the ark.

What we also know is that the Church will be raptured before the final 3.5 years as the 70th week of Daniel is about the people of Daniel. God will turn His attention to the people of Daniel after the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.

The 70th week BEGINS WITH JACOBS TROUBLE.

The 70th week began when Messiah the prince showed up 69 weeks after the decree to rebuild Jerusalem.

After 69 weeks the Messiah is cut off............3.5 years later.

The 70th week begins at the rapture

Absolutely not. There is no scripture that says this. The 70th week of Daniel began when Messiah the prince showed up 69 weeks after the decree to rebuild Jerusalem. When Messiah was cut off, so was the 70th week.

Daniel 9
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The 70th week begins at the white horse rider.

There is only 3.5 year remaining in the 70th week. Those 3.5 years will year will begin when the AOD is set up.

The Church will be raptured after the covenant with many is made. When exactly we don't know. After the rapture the first seal is opened beginning with the rider on the white horse. Then the seals for the other three riders are opened in order. The fifth seal is the great tribulation. That is when the AOD is set up. At the 6th seal, Jesus returns for the second harvest as the great tribulation is over. Then the 7th seal is opened and the wrath of God begins.

7 yr trib.

There is no 7 yr tribulation.

You are simply getting clever with all your additives.

I go by what the scripture says, not by what has been taught that is wrong.

 

[The Light]

The ac WITH a BOW.
THE AC IS YOUR "COVENANT WITH MANY "
GOD said I will hang my bow in the sky.
Bow is covenant.

The rainbow in the sky has nothing to do with Antichrist that carries a bow. He carries a bow because he is the false savior. It is the religion out of Babylon that has fooled the world. You should probably understand that Shintoism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Zoroastrianism, etc., etc., etc., etc., are all based on the religion of Babylon. All are looking for their false savior.

That false savior that has a bow in his hand will be the 7th king..........who will cause the world to worship the eighth king, Nimrod.

 

[Douggg]

Scripture is very clear. From the time of the decree to rebuild Jerusalem to Messiah the prince there are 69 weeks. After 69 weeks the Messiah is cut off. That is when He is crucified. That is 3.5 years after the 69 weeks.

The scripture does not say that the messiah would be cutoff at 69 1/2 weeks.

Here is what the scriptures say...

verse 25 - 7 weeks + 62 weeks unto messiah.
verse 26 -after the 62 weeks, the messiah would be cutoff. Not 1/2 week after 62 weeks.

For the passover week that Jesus would be crucified (John 11:55, John 12:12), Jesus arrived in Jerusalem, riding a donkey, hailed as the king of Israel that comes in the name of the Lord. John 12:12-15. Four days later Jesus was crucified - cutoff - as God's passover Lamb.

So Jesus arrived at 7weeks +62 weeks. And was cutoff essentially the same time he arrived. 4 days difference between his arrival and his being cutoff. The 70th week is still future.

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

 

[WitnessX]

Strong's Greek: 1238. διάδημα (diadéma) -- Diadem, Crown diadéma crown worn Rev 12:3, 13:1, 19:12

Strong's Greek: 4735. στέφανος (stephanos) -- Crown stephanos found 18 times, all referring to the crown of life.

In 1 Corinthians 9:25, Paul uses the imagery of a στέφανος to describe the imperishable crown that believers strive for, contrasting it with the perishable wreaths awarded in athletic games: "Everyone who competes in the games trains with strict discipline. They do it for a crown that is perishable, but we do it for a crown that is imperishable."

you’re simply wrong or purposefully trying to mislead others.

Revelation 6:2 - The First Seal: The White Horse you need to look at those cross references.

specifically the lack of mention in that text about arrows or a quiver and its connection to Isaiah 49:2

Isaiah 49:2
He made My mouth like a sharp sword; He hid Me in the shadow of His hand. He made Me like a polished arrow; He hid Me in His quiver.

 

[Douggg]

Strong's Greek: 1238. διάδημα (diadéma) -- Diadem, Crown diadéma crown worn Rev 12:3, 13:1, 19:12

The word is for crowns (plural).

 

[WitnessX]

The word is for crowns (plural).

Cleary they are different types of crowns. Rev 6:2 isn’t the antichrist, he is the forerunner to Jesus Christs second coming, making the way straight, just as John the Baptist was there to make the way straight. In the spirit of Elijah. Nothing new under the sun, the Bible repeats itself both in typologies and events.

40 days flood, supposed to be 40 days in the wilderness, but turned into 40 years because the Israelites couldn’t leave Egypt behind. Jonah 3 days in the belly, Jesus 3 days in the heart of the earth. Jonah, preceding Peter in bringing the message to the heathens, both going through Joppa etc.

White is never associated with evil or the antichrist(s). It is a foreshadowing of Jesus Christs return on a white horse, with a sword. The rider on the whitehorse with a bow will will straighten the way.

now who is the arrow. Isaiah 49 tells us.

keep watch, don’t fall asleep, Jesus Christ warned us in the Garden….three times.

 

[Douggg]

Cleary they are different types of crowns. Rev 6:2 isn’t the antichrist, he is the forerunner to Jesus Christs second coming, making the way straight, just as John the Baptist was there to make the way straight. In the spirit of Elijah. Nothing new under the sun, the Bible repeats itself both in typologies and events.

Revelation 6:2, the rider on the white horse is a messianic figure (white horse). The rider is the Antichrist person who the Jews will mistakenly think is their long awaited king of Israel messiah.

The crown that the person will be given is that of being the king of Israel.

He will be anointed the king of Israel by the false prophet, who the Jews will initially will think is Elijah. The Jews (Judaism) have a custom of setting a plate at their Passover meal to symbolize their expectation of Elijah to come and be a part of the beginning of the messianic age.

 

[WitnessX]

Revelation 6:2, the rider on the white horse is a messianic figure (white horse). The rider is the Antichrist person who the Jews will mistakenly think is the long awaited king of Israel messiah.

The crown that the person will be given is that of being the king of Israel.

He will be anointed the king of Israel by the false prophet, who the Jews will initially will think is Elijah. The Jews (Judaism) have a custom of setting a plate at their Passover meal to symbolize their expectation of Elijah to come and be a part of the beginning of the messianic age.



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I agree to disagree, God Bless.

 

[Douggg]

I agree to disagree, God Bless.

Okay. God Bless.

 

[The Light]

The scripture does not say that the messiah would be cutoff at 69 1/2 weeks.

Here is what the scriptures say...

verse 25 - 7 weeks + 62 weeks unto messiah.
verse 26 -after the 62 weeks, the messiah would be cutoff. Not 1/2 week after 62 weeks.

For the passover week that Jesus would be crucified (John 11:55, John 12:12), Jesus arrived in Jerusalem, riding a donkey, hailed as the king of Israel that comes in the name of the Lord. John 12:12-15. Four days later Jesus was crucified - cutoff - as God's passover Lamb.

So Jesus arrived at 7weeks +62 weeks. And was cutoff essentially the same time he arrived. 4 days difference between his arrival and his being cutoff. The 70th week is still future.

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

I believe the calculation you are using has Jesus dying in the year 33AD. However, Jesus did not die in the year 33AD, He died in 30AD.

Jesus is baptized by John the Baptist in the year 27AD and is identified as the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. He is cut off in the year 30AD.

 

[WitnessX]

I believe the calculation you are using has Jesus dying in the year 33AD. However, Jesus did not die in the year 33AD, He died in 30AD.

Jesus is baptized by John the Baptist in the year 27AD and is identified as the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. He is cut off in the year 30AD.

False, Dead Sea scroll records precisely point to 28/29AD as John’s baptismal of Jesus Christ. As does Luke 3:1. Your math and understanding is plain false Or deliberate.

John the Baptist knew Jesus was coming, he wasn’t just baptizing in the Jordan river for no reason. He was from Qumran/Damascus (not Syria either), ate locusts and honey. Your history is flawed.

 

[Douggg]

I believe the calculation you are using has Jesus dying in the year 33AD. However, Jesus did not die in the year 33AD, He died in 30AD.

Jesus is baptized by John the Baptist in the year 27AD and is identified as the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. He is cut off in the year 30AD.

No, I did not base anything in my post on calendar years.

Jesus was cutoff 4 days after arriving in Jerusalem, riding a donkey, hailed as the king of Israel who comes in the name of the Lord in John 12:9-15.

One of the reasons so many people believed him to be the king of Israel messiah was that Jesus had resurrected Lazarus. They came to Jerusalem not only to see Jesus, but to see for themself that Lazarus had indeed been raised from being dead.

The feast in verse 12 is referring to the Passover week. Also, in John 11:55.

9 Much people of the Jews therefore knew that he was there: and they came not for Jesus' sake only, but that they might see Lazarus also, whom he had raised from the dead.

10 But the chief priests consulted that they might put Lazarus also to death;

11 Because that by reason of him many of the Jews went away, and believed on Jesus.

12 On the next day much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem,

13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.

14 And Jesus, when he had found a young ass, sat thereon; as it is written,

15 Fear not, daughter of Sion: behold, thy King cometh, sitting on an ass's colt.

If you would read through John 11 again, you will see that the religious leaders started plotting Jesus death because he had brought Lazarus back to life from the grave. Read John 11:45-55.

The arrival of the messiah in Daniel 9 and his being cutoff is packed into the Passover week.

 

[The Light]

False, Dead Sea scroll records precisely point to 29AD as John’s baptismal of Jesus Christ. As does Luke 3:1. Your math and understanding is plain false Or deliberate.

I've been on the other side of this argument and made the same accusation to someone. Needless to say, I found out I was wrong.

I don't know anything about the dead sea scrolls.

So what year did Herod the Great die?

 

[The Light]

No, I did not base anything in my post on calendar years.

Jesus was cutoff 4 days after arriving in Jerusalem, riding a donkey, hailed as the king of Israel who comes in the name of the Lord in John 12:9-15.

One of the reasons so many people believed him to be the king of Israel messiah was that Jesus had resurrected Lazarus. They came to Jerusalem not only to see Jesus, but to see for themself that Lazarus had indeed been raised from being dead.

The feast in verse 12 is referring to the Passover week. Also, in John 11:55.

9 Much people of the Jews therefore knew that he was there: and they came not for Jesus' sake only, but that they might see Lazarus also, whom he had raised from the dead.

10 But the chief priests consulted that they might put Lazarus also to death;

11 Because that by reason of him many of the Jews went away, and believed on Jesus.

12 On the next day much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem,

13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.

14 And Jesus, when he had found a young ass, sat thereon; as it is written,

15 Fear not, daughter of Sion: behold, thy King cometh, sitting on an ass's colt.

If you would read through John 11 again, you will see that the religious leaders started plotting Jesus death because he had brought Lazarus back to life from the grave. Read John 11:45-55.

The arrival of the messiah in Daniel 9 and his being cutoff is packed into the Passover week.

As I said, that calculation has Jesus arriving and dying in the year 33AD.

 

[rebuilder 454]

This is old news. It's been around for year. And don't forget about the bow without arrows nonsense.

Bow equals covenant is not nonsense.

God... "I will put my bow in the sky"
You..."what nonsense"

 

[rebuilder 454]

Hmmm. Jesus arrives as John hails Him as the Lamb of God at His baptism 69 weeks from the proclamation to rebuild Jerusalem. 3.5 years later He is cut off by His crucifixion.

That 3.5 years is the 1st half of the 70th week of Daniel.


The AC confirms a covenant with many. FACT. The AC carrying a bow should tell you he is the false Christ Tammuz of the Babylonian religion, which is Horus to the Egyptians, Apollo to the Greeks, etc., etc., etc. Most of the false religions of the world are tied to the false trinity of the sun, moon and star.


Oh, there it is, the bow without arrows. Totally and completely bad logic. The failure to mention a quiver of arrows does not mean he has no arrows.

Yeah judge, that man was carrying and pointing a gun.

Case dismissed. No one mentioned bullets.


Uhhh. No. Here is the stephanos crown that is given to the Antichrist.

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The fact is that everyone thinks the Church will be raptured before the 70th week of Daniel. I thought the exact same thing for many years.

But Noah is not in the ark 7 days before the flood. The first day of the 7 days he loads the animals. In fact, we do not know the day that the ark door is shut by God. All we can conclude is that Noah is not in the ark 7 days before the flood.

All we can really conclude is that the Church will be raptured before the AOD is set up as the 70th week of Daniel is about the people of Daniel..........and there is only 3.5 years left in the 70th week of Daniel.......FACT.


The fact that the rider on the white horse, the 7th king, is given the stephanos crown, means he will be head of the United Nations whose symbol is the stephans crown.

There is no scripture that says the AC carries a bow without arrows. Claiming he has no arrows because they are not mentioned is BAD LOGIC. He will confirm a covenant with many for one week.....7 years.

Almost every word is made up by you.
From the UN antichrist ,to your mocking of a BOW representing covenant.

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"All we can really conclude is that the Church will be raptured before the AOD is set up as the 70th week of Daniel is about the people of Daniel..........and there is only 3.5 years left in the 70th week of Daniel.......FACT."

No
the "Fact", that you made up in your head , is incredibly shaky.
If the bow in Antichrist hand is pointing to a covenant, then you're entire deal is toast and just completely made up by yourself.

You know...the bow covenant by God you need to dissappear.

 

[rebuilder 454]

The rainbow in the sky has nothing to do with Antichrist that carries a bow. He carries a bow because he is the false savior. It is the religion out of Babylon that has fooled the world. You should probably understand that Shintoism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Zoroastrianism, etc., etc., etc., etc., are all based on the religion of Babylon. All are looking for their false savior.

That false savior that has a bow in his hand will be the 7th king..........who will cause the world to worship the eighth king, Nimrod.

That is plain stupid.
I Never believed the rainbow in the sky is directly connected to the antichrist.
Look at your ridiculous assertion.
" he carries a bow because he is a false savior"
Just plain mega grand canyon leap.
Sky grab .
You LITERALLY MADE IT UP.

YOU ARE so late to the subject you are on damage control big time.
So much of your material is just plain made up by you or someone you are following.

Let's get real.
Show me ANYBODY with your SAME conclusions.
Website, YouTube, member here.

When I saw that many men of God had ALREADY made the connection of the bow and covenant, it all is good, because AGREEMENT WITH TRUTH is 100% protection in the body of christ.

You can come up with all sorts of conjecture in your end times models, ( which you seem to champion), but most won't stand the light of day.

Look at your mocking of a bow God used in covenant, as well as the crown of the antichrist being ONLY CONNECTED to some Olympic game winner.

I touched some nerve in you with the crown and bow components.

Psssst......Jesus crown he wore on the cross was not the REQUIRED burger King crown you think of for it to have the ACTUAL SIGNIFICANCE it is pointing to.

So many many things you have totally wrong.
So many things you simply made up, then erroneously put them in play with authority.

( like the 3.5 years you magically erase from the last week of Daniel's 70th week.)

Your starting place is totally messed up

 

[The Light]

Bow equals covenant is not nonsense.

Bow equal's rainbow. It's in the clouds. The rainbow is a reminder of the covenant that the earth will not be destroyed with a flood again.

Genesis 9
11 And I will establish my covenant with you, neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.

Genesis 9
16 And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth.

God... "I will put my bow in the sky"
You..."what nonsense"

The rainbow is a reminder that there is a covenant that the earth will not be destroyed with a flood.

 

[The Light]

Almost every word is made up by you.
From the UN antichrist ,to your mocking of a BOW representing covenant.

Oh boy. The Antichrist has a rainbow in his hand to remind the world that God will not destroy the earth with a flood. Oh, this makes sense.

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"All we can really conclude is that the Church will be raptured before the AOD is set up as the 70th week of Daniel is about the people of Daniel..........and there is only 3.5 years left in the 70th week of Daniel.......FACT."

No
the "Fact", that you made up in your head , is incredibly shaky.
If the bow in Antichrist hand is pointing to a covenant, then you're entire deal is toast and just completely made up by yourself.

You know...the bow covenant by God you need to dissappear.

Pffft. The bow in the AC hand is a bow for shooting arrows. That is what the false savior.....Tammuz, Horus, Apollo carries.

 

[The Light]

That is plain stupid.
I Never believed the rainbow in the sky is directly connected to the antichrist.
Look at your ridiculous assertion.
" he carries a bow because he is a false savior"
Just plain mega grand canyon leap.
Sky grab .
You LITERALLY MADE IT UP.

You really have no clue what is going on. The false religions of the world are based on the Babylonian religion. All of them are looking for the false savior as Satan set up his religion to fool the world.

When the Gospel was preached to the world, that Jesus was Gods son and the savior of the world, the world already heard that story. Whether it was Nimrod, or Osiris, or Odin or Zeus or Jupiter, etc., etc., etc., having a son that will save the world the story was already in place.

YOU ARE so late to the subject you are on damage control big time.

I heard this nonsense 30 years ago. Talk about late to the party, you are just getting to it.

So much of your material is just plain made up by you or someone you are following.
Let's get real.
Show me ANYBODY with your SAME conclusions.
Website, YouTube, member here.

My conclusions are based on scripture. I don't run around making things up. When God says the 144,000 are virgin males from twelve tribes that are first fruits and are redeemed from the earth............that's exactly what they are. How many websites say the 144,000 are the Church.

How many websites can you find that claims that there are two raptures?.............one for the Gentiles and one for the Jews. Are all the websites that claim that there is not a rapture or just one rapture, correct?

I don't give a rats BOW Hiney what anyone concludes. If their conclusion does not agree with the written word of God what good is it. The books have been sealed until the time of the end which is now.

When I saw that many men of God had ALREADY made the connection of the bow and covenant, it all is good, because AGREEMENT WITH TRUTH is 100% protection in the body of christ.

When you saw how many men are Amillennialists did it bring comfort to you? When you see how many believe that there is not a rapture did it help you?

If you are going to base your beliefs on what the other sheep understand, you will truly walk without understanding

You can come up with all sorts of conjecture in your end times models, ( which you seem to champion), but most won't stand the light of day.

Please feel free to challenge anything I say. You will find yourself arguing with what the scripture says. A perfect example is when the Word says that the tribulation is over at the 6th seal. You can argue against it all you want but the Word is clear. The great tribulation is not the wrath of God. I don't care how many websites or TV preachers claim it is.

Look at your mocking of a bow God used in covenant, as well as the crown of the antichrist being ONLY CONNECTED to some Olympic game winner.

I touched some nerve in you with the crown and bow components.

Yeah. I remember. You claimed that I heard it from you first. No one knew but you. Now you want to claim how many people believe this, so it is proof that I am wrong. Please.

Look. If you want to believe that the Antichrist is carrying a rainbow in His hand proclaiming that God will not destroy the earth again with a flood, that's up to you. I'll continue to believe that the bow identifies the rider on the white horse as the false Christ that most religions of the world are looking for. And their Messiah carries a bow that shoots arrows

What do you think that pyramid with the eye of Horus on the back of the dollar bill is all about? It that meaningless?

So many many things you have totally wrong.

Please feel free to use scripture to prove this.

Opinions mean nothing.

So many things you simply made up, then erroneously put them in play with authority.

( like the 3.5 years you magically erase from the last week of Daniel's 70th week.)

So I made up the fact that there are 69 weeks from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem unto Messiah the prince. I don't think so.

Daniel 9
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

So I made up the fact that 3.5 years later, which is in the 70th week, that Jesus was cut off when He was crucified. I don't think so.

Daniel 9
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

You think the Church will be raptured before the 70th week begins. I thought the same for many years. But Noah was not shut in the ark by God 7 days before the flood.

Your starting place is totally messed up

Honestly, your starting place is messed up.

You should start by understanding that the coming of Jesus in power and glory for a harvest occurs at the 6th seal based on the signs of the sun, moon and stars. You want to put that coming when Jesus sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth as the Armageddon event in Revelation 19.

You start off in the wrong direction.

But you believe there are two raptures. You got that right. What website did you find that on?