The Second Coming of Christ...

[marks]

Marks, if I held onto all of what has been directed at me, then I would be a mess. I try and keep a short list of the wrongs against me, and forgive the person and deal with the accusation as to whether I need to repent because of their words. I often have to deal with my pride as well.

If we are writing, lead by the Holy Spirit, then the outcome is not ours to dictate. It is God mandate to use what we write and post such that His message get through to the other parties.

I might add . . .

Ephesians 4:1-3 KJV
1) I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
2) With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
3) Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

Ephesians 4:29 KJV
Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

Let's all aspire to attain to these things. I think pride is a battle we all share! Being determined to only speak what will serve grace to others is the part we can do, bringing that grace through us God does. Or that is my hope!

Much love!

 

[BroRando]

Obviously the Bible is full of that sir, hence the number of faiths, it is called interpretation.

Scriptures to consider in reference to SEEING him.

Look! He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will SEE him, and those who pierced him; and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief because of him. Yes, Amen. (Rev 1:7)

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Now compare the words of Jesus Christ to (Rev 1:7)

At his illegal trial before his soon to follow execution, Jesus answers the Sanhedrin, specifically the High Priest question, “I put you under oath by the living God to tell us whether you are the Christ, the Son of God! (Matthew 26:63)

Jesus said to him: “You yourself said it. But I say to you: From now on you will SEE the Son of man sitting at the right hand of power and coming on the clouds of heaven.” (Matthew 26:64)

I SEE says the Blind Man! I SEE!

 

[Ezra]

I SEE says the Blind Man! I SEE!

what exactly is it you see?

 

[BroRando]

what exactly is it you see?

Jesus said to him: “You yourself said it. But I say to you: From now on you will SEE the Son of man sitting at the right hand of power and coming on the clouds of heaven.” (Matthew 26:64)

How long are the Days of Christ? Isn't the third day of Christ 1,000 years? For almost two thousand years, faithful followers of Jesus Christ have been in anticipation of his Second Coming. We are living at extremely exciting times as our Preaching Work comes to its end! According to Bible Prophecy, an allotment of two days of 2,000 years would need to lapse before the Second Coming is revealed to unbelievers. (Hosea 6:2, 2 Peter 3:8)

Oh!! If only the ungodly would stop being stubborn, pay attention, listen, and gain the wisdom of understanding to keep on living into Christ's Millennial Reign... "Do not think I came to bring peace to the earth; I came to bring, not peace, but a sword." (Matthew 10:34) Read more...

 

[Brakelite]

Genesis 6:1-4 KJV
1) And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2) That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3) And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4) There were giants (nephilim) in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Numbers 13:33 KJV
33) And there we saw the giants (nephilim), the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

I'm curious . . . is this sufficient to change your mind on this? That there were nephilim after the flood?

Much love!

I believe Goliath was descended from those.

 

[Ezra]

Jesus said to him: “You yourself said it. But I say to you: From now on you will SEE the Son of man sitting at the right hand of power and coming on the clouds of heaven.” (Matthew 26:64)

How long are the Days of Christ? Isn't the third day of Christ 1,000 years? For almost two thousand years, faithful followers of Jesus Christ have been in anticipation of his Second Coming. We are living at extremely exciting times as our Preaching Work comes to its end! According to Bible Prophecy, an allotment of two days of 2,000 years would need to lapse before the Second Coming is revealed to unbelievers. (Hosea 6:2, 2 Peter 3:8)

Oh!! If only the ungodly would stop being stubborn, pay attention, listen, and gain the wisdom of understanding to keep on living into Christ's Millennial Reign... "Do not think I came to bring peace to the earth; I came to bring, not peace, but a sword." (Matthew 10:34) Read more...

what does this have to do with not seeing Jesus

 

[Robert Gwin]

I don't understand your response here really.

My complaint is that there are so many people who present their "interpretation" of the Bible, but when you follow it through, it comes down to this. People fail to hold to the simple truth of what is said, and end up saying things like, Yes, it SAYS that, but what it REALLY means is, and they will go on to spin their "interpretation".

I don't consider someone's idea to change God's Word to be a very good foundation for doctrine.

Much love!

I fully agree. I might even state it a tad bit more strongly.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Scriptures to consider in reference to SEEING him.

Look! He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will SEE him, and those who pierced him; and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief because of him. Yes, Amen. (Rev 1:7)

==============================================================================

Now compare the words of Jesus Christ to (Rev 1:7)

At his illegal trial before his soon to follow execution, Jesus answers the Sanhedrin, specifically the High Priest question, “I put you under oath by the living God to tell us whether you are the Christ, the Son of God! (Matthew 26:63)

Jesus said to him: “You yourself said it. But I say to you: From now on you will SEE the Son of man sitting at the right hand of power and coming on the clouds of heaven.” (Matthew 26:64)

I SEE says the Blind Man! I SEE!

I fully agree with those verses Bro Rondo, but fail to understand how it applies to the conversation that Marks and I were having. What was your point sir?

 

[marks]

I believe Goliath was descended from those.

I think that's most likely!

I think that fallen angels seeded themselves into humanity both before and after the flood, afterward, to stop Israel from receiving their promised land.

Much love!

 

[Brakelite]

I think that's most likely!

I think that fallen angels seeded themselves into humanity both before and after the flood, afterward, to stop Israel from receiving their promised land.

Much love!

That I disagree with. There is no evidence in scripture that angels can cohabitate with one another, let alone with humans.
The generations of mankind for many centuries were greatly larger than are men today. Their form at creation was perfect and without anything that would affect and reduce manual capacity,health, strength, and size. Hence the ability of our forbears to make structures and engineering feats that today we still do not understand. Sin, a less ideal diet with they inclusion of flesh meats, saw a slow but sure decline in the human body, both physical and mental. Goliath I believe was one of a small remnant descended from those that when Israel entered Canaan, populated the land.
There have been archeological discoveries confirming human skeletons over 20 feet tall. Obviously in the current climate of evolution, this is not a well publicized piece of information in the scientific world. But the theory that angels impregnated women... No, just no.

 

[marks]

Jesus said to him: “You yourself said it. But I say to you: From now on you will SEE the Son of man sitting at the right hand of power and coming on the clouds of heaven.” (Matthew 26:64)

I SEE says the Blind Man! I SEE!

Where are you getting this translation? It's not a translation.

The grammar isn't right, and words have been changed. This doesn't say "from now on", and that wouldn't even match with "you will see", as it would have to be, "you will be seeing", or something like that.

What translation are you quoting from? Personally, I like the KJV as it seems to most closely match the Greek in word use and order. It's what I consider a "simple" translation, not being very interpretive.

Much love!

 

[marks]

That I disagree with. There is no evidence in scripture that angels can cohabitate with one another, let alone with humans.
The generations of mankind for many centuries were greatly larger than are men today. Their form at creation was perfect and without anything that would affect and reduce manual capacity,health, strength, and size. Hence the ability of our forbears to make structures and engineering feats that today we still do not understand. Sin, a less ideal diet with they inclusion of flesh meats, saw a slow but sure decline in the human body, both physical and mental. Goliath I believe was one of a small remnant descended from those that when Israel entered Canaan, populated the land.
There have been archeological discoveries confirming human skeletons over 20 feet tall. Obviously in the current climate of evolution, this is not a well publicized piece of information in the scientific world. But the theory that angels impregnated women... No, just no.

There are some fascinating finds out there! Yes, giant skeletons, pre-flood artifact, I think the Great Pyramid is pre-flood, myself.

There's an interesting word used only two times in the Bible, oikoterion,

2 Corinthians 5:1 KJV
For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.


Jude 1:6 KJV
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Much love!

 

[Brakelite]

There are some fascinating finds out there! Yes, giant skeletons, pre-flood artifact, I think the Great Pyramid is pre-flood, myself.

There's an interesting word used only two times in the Bible, oikoterion,

2 Corinthians 5:1 KJV
For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.


Jude 1:6 KJV
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Much love!

In both verses above, the house is in heaven. The first a promise that we would occupy that which was left empty in the second. I'm not sure why you quoted them though. Care to elucidate for this dumb kiwi?

 

[marks]

In both verses above, the house is in heaven. The first a promise that we would occupy that which was left empty in the second. I'm not sure why you quoted them though. Care to elucidate for this dumb kiwi?

There are natural bodies and spiritual bodies, earthly, heavenly. "Soma" is used of the earthly body, "oiketerion" is used of the heavenly body.

We have received heavenly bodies - we exist in the celestial realm - seated together in the heavenlies in Christ - our oiketerion.

For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

There were angels which left their heavenly body. I don't know how, only that they did.

Jude 1:6-7 KJV
6) And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
7) Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

They left their heavenly bodies to do what Sodom and Gomorrha did "in like manner", fornicating with "strange flesh", that is, "hetero", flesh of a different kind.

Much love!

 

[Brakelite]

There are natural bodies and spiritual bodies, earthly, heavenly. "Soma" is used of the earthly body, "oiketerion" is used of the heavenly body.

We have received heavenly bodies - we exist in the celestial realm - seated together in the heavenlies in Christ - our oiketerion.

For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

There were angels which left their heavenly body. I don't know how, only that they did.

Jude 1:6-7 KJV
6) And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
7) Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

They left their heavenly bodies to do what Sodom and Gomorrha did "in like manner", fornicating with "strange flesh", that is, "hetero", flesh of a different kind.

Much love!

I'm not so sure that the "house" mentioned refers to their bodies, nor our future ones, but rather our dwelling place.
Not convinced.

 

[marks]

I'm not so sure that the "house" mentioned refers to their bodies, nor our future ones, but rather our dwelling place.
Not convinced.

This is the context in 2 Corinthians.

2 Corinthians 5:1-8 KJV
1) For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2) For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
3) If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
4) For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
5) Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.
6) Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
7) (For we walk by faith, not by sight)
8) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

My understanding is that he's saying, If we stop living in our earthly body, we have a heavenly body. And we want to be "clothed upon" with that! So when we no longer have this body, we won't be disembodied, we have that body.

We want it that way because that's how God made us. And He also gave His Spirit a down payment.

Many people take these verses to be saying something less substantial then their plain meaning, "we are seated together in the heavenlies in Christ Jesus", "Hid with Christ in God", I don't. I believe that being born from God is to be born a spirit being, someone other than the original me, yet still me. And this spirit being has a real existance in the spirit realm. This new spirit being - me - inhabits the body of the man born from Adam - the flesh.

And in the same way that the body of flesh is the matrix for the soul, the Holy Spirit is the "matrix" if you will for the spirit. I was someone who lived in flesh, deriving life through that flesh. Now I am someone who lives in spirit, and derives that life from the Holy Spirit.

Much love!

 

[BroRando]

Where are you getting this translation? It's not a translation.

The grammar isn't right, and words have been changed. This doesn't say "from now on", and that wouldn't even match with "you will see", as it would have to be, "you will be seeing", or something like that.

What translation are you quoting from? Personally, I like the KJV as it seems to most closely match the Greek in word use and order. It's what I consider a "simple" translation, not being very interpretive.

Much love!

Read the Greek. It reads "From Now You Will See the Son of Man"
Here's the linear that pieced the scripture together.

 

[marks]

Read the Greek. It reads "From Now You Will See the Son of Man"
Here's the linear that pieced the scripture together.

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Again, I'm wondering, what translation did you quote from?

I'm aware of the Greek, that's why I raised my objection.

Your translation is adding a word, and changing the meaning of a word.

Apo, "away from", "arti", now.



Your translation is to say, starting now, and ongoing, you shall be seeing. "From now on." But that's not the wording, which is simply "away from now", you will be seeing Him both sitting at the right hand, and coming in clouds.

Much love!

 

[BroRando]

Again, I'm wondering, what translation did you quote from?

I'm aware of the Greek, that's why I raised my objection.

Your translation is adding a word, and changing the meaning of a word.

Apo, "away from", "arti", now.

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Your translation is to say, starting now, and ongoing, you shall be seeing. "From now on." But that's not the wording, which is simply "away from now", you will be seeing Him both sitting at the right hand, and coming in clouds.

Much love!

If you were aware of the Greek then you would know the KJV is in error using the word (Hereafter). That's not in the Greek at all. The word the KJV deleted and exchanged with (Hereafter) was Now. What does Now mean to you?? Arti' means Now. Also you just made the arguement that arti' can also mean (at present).

Strong's Concordance
arti: just now
Original Word: ἄρτι
Part of Speech: Adverb
Transliteration: arti
Phonetic Spelling: (ar'-tee)
Definition: just now
Usage: now, just now, at this moment.
HELPS Word-studies
737 árti (an adverb) – now (this instant); here-and-now; exactly now, in the immediate present.

 

[marks]

@BroRando

I'm curious . . . why are you avoiding telling me your Bible translation?

Much love!