Who else fulfils Genesis 48:17-19 and Exodus 33:13-17 ....the myriads of Ephraim and the multitude of Manasseh?
Obviously not the Jews.
Keraz, I must say you have a terrible way of presenting your arguments - just quoting a section of Scripture and making a blanket statement puts you in a very poor light!
Just quietly - someone sold you a
Now lets look at the section you quoted:
17 When Joseph saw his father placing his right hand on Ephraim’s head he was displeased; so he took hold of his father’s hand to move it from Ephraim’s head to Manasseh’s head. 18 Joseph said to him, “No, my father, this one is the firstborn; put your right hand on his head.”
19 But his father refused and said, “I know, my son, I know. He too will become a people, and he too will become great. Nevertheless, his younger brother will be greater than he,
and his descendants will become a group (fulness or mulititude) of nations.”
Melo =
fulness, that which fills
In this chapter the word "multitude" occurs 3 times (See verses. 4,16,19 PLEASE DO! ), but on each occasion, a different Hebrew word is used. Here it is the word
melo signifying fulness. The phrase
fulness of nations suggests that Ephraim would not only represent a tribe, but also a nation made up of other tribes or nations. This was fulfilled later when all the northern tribes were classified under the general term of Ephraim. The remarkable language of this blessing therefore anticipated the division that ultimately took place between Ephraim in the north and Judah in the south.
How could you ever think Israel could become a Gentile Nation is beyond me, though it does show me the level of deception (and spell) you are under. Whoever taught you this, NEVER go to them for instruction again!
What is Prophesied there, will happen before Jesus Returns. Proved by how His people, the faithful Christians will know the Lord by His actions - not by His Presence. Ezekiel 38L23,,,,,then you will know I am the Lord.
As it is today, but the difference is: then, we Christians from every tribe, race, nation and language, will all be living in the holy Land. John sees us there; Revelation 7_9
Yes; you are displaying your bias and lack of knowledge about who are the real Israelites of God.
Others see it and know it is a waste of time to argue with people; you and I, who have very strong beliefs of what God has planned for His people and for Judah.
I'm thankful you gave the questions a go (said sincerley)
I will highlight the areas you need to focus on:
14 “Return, faithless people,” declares the Lord, “for I am your husband. I will choose you—one from a town and two from a clan—and bring you to Zion.
So here God is indicating a purging of His people through the Nations, whereby only a remnenet will return to the Land.
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Then I will give you shepherds after my own heart, who will lead you with knowledge and understanding.
Clearly not natural Jews, as they cannot teach the Gospe.l therefore we must have
Christians after Gods own heart who know the truth and can assit in writing the New Covenant on their hearts.
16 In those days, when your numbers have increased greatly in the land,” declares the Lord,
“people will no longer say, ‘The ark of the covenant of the Lord.’ It will never enter their minds or be remembered; it will not be missed, nor will another one be made.
The reason the Ark of Covenant will no longer remembered is due to them having the
Living Ark being in their midst! - no need to long for a wooden box, when they have the Lord Jesus Christ, their King in their midst!
17 At that time they will call Jerusalem The Throne of the Lord, and all nations will gather in Jerusalem to honor the name of the Lord. No longer will they follow the stubbornness of their evil hearts. 18 In those days the people of Judah will join the people of Israel, and together they will come from a northern land to the land I gave your ancestors as an inheritance.
Isaiah teaches exactly the same prophecy of a time when the Nations will bring offerings to Jerusalem - where the Kingdom of Israel and its King will be centred. The prophecy of the two sticks now in the hand of Jesus unifying them together.
It's the story of Jacob watching the bringing together of Judah & Joseph in Egypt but on a national scale! The weeping that will take place with Christ reveals the scar in his hands and the piercing in his side will cause them and the world to weep as though they have lost an only son.
Every single word in that prophecy is for the Jews except for the ministers of God's choosing who will lead them in knowledge and understanding.
You need to forget what you think you know and heed to Word of God as its been preserved firstly for its first audience and secondly that we might gain instruction and understanding for these end times.
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