You are simply mixing up two separate things. God imputes righteousness to the one who repents and believes on the Lord Jesus Christ. This is spiritual and internal. But believers are a relatively small minority of earth. At the same time the apostle John tells us that "the whole world lieth in wickedness". So how can there be everlasting righteousness on earth when we are surrounded by sin and evil? And we ain't seen nothin' yet.
THE TRUTH OF DANIEL'S SEVENTY WEEKS PROPHECY
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jeffweeder
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Absolutely. My thoughts EXACTLY.
May all see it and eagerly await it.
jeffweeder
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Jesus is already our righteous through his cross...forever.
No other way this can be established.
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Spiritual Israelite
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It appears that you are missing the point. If you read Daniel 9:24, you can see it lists six things that would be fulfilled WITHIN the 70 weeks. One of those things is what we are talking about here, which is bringing in everlasting righteousness. According to the prophecy, everlasting righteousness needed to be brought in some time DURING or WITHIN the 70 weeks. But, you don't have "genuine and literal everlasting righteousness" being brought in until 1,000+ years AFTER the 70th week has ended (in your view). Can you see the problem there?
In your view you have everlasting righteousness not being brought in within the time frame given in the prophecy. That would make it a false prophecy. Let me know if I'm not being clear here and I will elaborate further. If you understand what I'm saying, then please let me know how you can reconcile your view with that prophecy in Daniel 9:24.
jeffweeder
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If they repent and believe what Jesus did then they would already possess it. The whole world would possess it if only they believed.
Instead a deluding influence awaits those who do not believe so that Thay may be judged...,
2Thess 2
9 The coming of the [Antichrist, the lawless] one is through the activity of Satan, [attended] with great power [all kinds of counterfeit miracles] and [deceptive] signs and false wonders [all of them lies], 10 and by unlimited seduction to evil and with all the deception of wickedness for those who are perishing, because they did not welcome the love of the truth [of the gospel] so as to be saved [they were spiritually blind, and rejected the truth that would have saved them].
11 Because of this God will send upon them a misleading influence, [an activity of error and deception] so they will believe the lie, 12 in order that all may be judged and condemned who did not believe the truth [about their sin, and the need for salvation through Christ], but instead took pleasure in unrighteousness.
Spiritual Israelite
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You are the one who is mixed up. Daniel 9:24 is all about Jesus and what He came to accomplish. And He did not fail. He made an end of sin by way of sacrificing Himself to take away our sins. He brought in everlasting righteousness by way of taking our place through His death so that "grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.".
Romans 5:18 Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people. 19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous. 20 The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more, 21 so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Spiritual Israelite
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Exactly. Everlasting righteousness has already been brought in by Jesus long ago. People just have to accept it. That prophecy in Daniel 9:24 has nothing to do with there being literally no sin in the world, but rather has everything to do with Jesus making the way for people to have their sins forgiven and to receive an everlasting life of righteousness.
jeffweeder
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Yes of course.
If there was no sin in this world at his coming, we wouldn't need a millennium. The millennium is all about repentance and forgiveness to wash away sin, and that time is now. Those ready at his coming willl.....
Rev 22
12 “Behold, I (Jesus) am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to each one according to the merit of his deeds (earthly works, faithfulness). 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End [the Eternal One].”
14 Blessed (happy, prosperous, to be admired) are those who wash their robes [in the blood of Christ by believing and trusting in Him—the righteous who do His commandments], so that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city.
= Post millennium coming of the Lord.
May the penny drop.
There are not "two separate things." There is only one righteousness which Christ brought in at Calvary, one righteousness of which the NT writers wrote which was already present in every true believer in Christ, one righteousness which has never ended since Calvary, and one righteousness which is thus one everlasting righteousness.
Not "two separate things."
Just one everlasting righteousness.
You need to get your eyes off of "the whole world", and redirect them to "Christ in you, the hope of glory". Colossians 1:27
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Randy Kluth
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Thank you for your testimony. It does appear that the Lord has spoken to your wife Julie, and that you, to some degree, are also hearing from the Lord. Just because you learn spiritual truth from Christian ministers, however, does not mean that their teaching is completely sound. Take from them what is real, and judge the rest critically, to make sure it's biblical and real.
I don't know anything about Ray Smith, but I've run into Oneness advocates through the years. My experience has been that some of them are legalistic and sectarian. It has a cultic element to it, I think. So does Pentecostal Theology, although I've been a Pentecostal/Charismatic since the early 70s.
I believe in the gifts of the Spirit, but I also believe that much prophecy and much tongues-speaking is imitated. The person with the "real thing" should have no problem questioning their gift. It should come naturally.
I'm very happy that you and your wife have not only entered into a deeper spiritual experience with the Lord, but are also determined to follow His word to your heart, to maintain His love as a testimony to this world. You should, however, be able to learn from obedient Christians in several denominations, and not get caught up in a sectarian spirit. It is destructive to the attitude of love we are to have towards all true Christians.
Davy
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Jesus did not... fulfill that automatically, His Righteousness is ONLY for those who believe on Him. So that omits how many peoples today that reject Him?
Randy Kluth
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Let me just add this, with respect to being "baptized in the name of Jesus only." Such a formula is hardly necessary for God to move in someone's life, or to experience the benefits of baptism.
What is the benefit of water baptism? It is a testimony to the world that you're committing your life in service to Christ. It is a public testimony, not designed for a special spiritual experience that has *already been experienced.* It is rather a means of self-confirmation and testimony on behalf of others.
Spirituality comes when we begin to commit our lives completely to Christ, to follow his word in our hearts. In committing in obedience to his word we receive the Spirit to enable us to complete that word and to testify to others. We are empowered and gifted to give back to God in the way He chooses for us as individuals.
Getting caught up in a formula misses this point. Attacking the doctrine of the Trinity is bound to create division among Christians, since from the beginning Christians have believed that Jesus is the Son of God, that he enabled us to receive God's Spirit without limit, and that the Father is more than a mere man.
However you express it, it is in fact a Trinity. To oppose it is to enter into a marginalized group that has a very weak and temporal history. The doctrine the Church Fathers sought to found the Church upon required belief in the Trinity in order to distinguish between the various roles each Person plays in the one God. You can never just have God as Jesus. He will always be above man even while He reveals Himself in Christ.
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Eternally Grateful
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what a joke man.
We are not discussing scripture. We are discussing your false claim that no one here believes God is done with Israel. or that they will nto be restored after the return of Christ when they repent.
Dear Randy Kluth,
I learned that the Doctrines of Hell and Free Will were false, and to some degree about the apostasy of church, from Ray Smith.
Ray Smith came out of the orthodox churches just as my wife and I did. We had a brief fellowship with Ray but he died a short time later. I do believe his website "bible-truths.com" is still up for viewing. I strongly recommend reading his open letter to Pastor John Hagee.
As for the many other truths which the Lord as shown me, I learned them from my own personal study over the past 15 years or so.
This scripture below certainly applies to what I experienced in learning the truth of Christ:
Prov 2:1 My son, if you receive my words and treasure up my commandments with you, 2 making your ear attentive to wisdom and inclining your heart to understanding; 3 yes, if you call out for insight and raise your voice for understanding, 4 if you seek it like silver and search for it as for hidden treasures, 5 then you will understand the fear of the Lord and find the knowledge of God.
This verse is speaking to converted Elect believers ("my son"). Even with "eyes that can see" it is only with great effort and prayer that the Lord will reveal His treasure to them. The milk of the Word is learned quickly at conversion but "strong meat" takes years of dedicated study.
As for the spiritual gifts in the church, they have been quieted by the apostasy. A very large percentage of the gifts are not real. For my wife, she was given her gift for only 4 or 5 years. I looked back now and see that it was given to her for the purpose of our conversion and for the establishment of our faith in Christ. She has not received any "words" since 2008. I believe this verse applies:
1Cor 13:8 Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away. 11 When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.
This scripture is talking about conversion. "When that which is perfect is come" is speaking about the second coming of Christ when He pours out the Latter Rain on one of His Elect. It is at that point that Christ comes out from behind the cloud and appears to the believer. This is when an Elect believer is "born again" and sees Christ "face to face" because the truth of scripture has opened up to them. After this event occurs, some of the spiritual gifts will no longer be necessary. As a result, they cease. About three years after my wife and I were converted, my wife's gift of prophecy ceased.
Though I am not sure, this prophecy quoted below may have been the last one she received.
"I am with you. I hear your prayers. You will know my Word when you are able to receive it. I am preparing you for my work. You have much to learn about yourself. You will show others my way. I will prepare you for the work I give you. I am doing my work in you. I am the Lord."
My calling is to the unconverted Elect and to make the the pathway straight for the Lord to come to them. This scripture applies:
Jam 5:17 Elijah was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months. 18 And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth her fruit. 19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; 20 Let him know, that he which converts the sinner from the error of his way shall save their soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
Ray Smith served as my "Elijah". I now serve other unconverted Elect in the same way.
The Pathway to Salvation is basically the same pathway the Jewish Elect traveled. However, their time under the Old Covenant was only a "type" which the church will follow.
Since the church will follow the "type" the Nation of Israel presented, the church must likewise fall away and become children of the Devil. Because the Elect must travel that pathway, too, they must likewise fall away and be made 'worse than the first (Mat 12:43-45). And like with the Nation of Israel, the Lord will send a person to them in the spirit of Elijah to make the call of repentance.
After an unconverted Elect believer responds to the call of Elijah, the pathway for the Lord to come to them will be made straight. When the Lord comes, He will pour out the Latter Rain of the Spirit upon them. After Christ gives the believer the gift of the Spirit, Christ will appear to them and the Day of the Lord (the Elect's believer's judgment) will commence.
The call of Elijah to the Gentile Elect was also presented in Revelation since the Elect must "keep the sayings of the prophecy":
Rev 22:7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
An Elect believer must keep the "sayings" of the book of Revelation. The book teaches the Pathway to Salvation and it has applied in the lives of each of Christ's Elect since that time. It is not a book about outward world events which come at the end of this literal age. The book teaches about the spiritual events which occur to the Elect as they travel the Pathway to Salvation.
If Christ does not "come again" to called out believer before they die, they are not going to be a First Fruit of His harvest. It is for this reason that Christ comes "quickly" to each of His the Elect. Their days as a Man of Sin are shortened so that the ends of the ages come upon them now (1Cor 10:11).
And since Christ must come to each of His Elect before they die, it means that His coming is a reoccurring event.
Rev 1:4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne...
Christ came the first time to the 120 Jewish Elect on the Day of Pentecost and He has continued to come to each of His Elect since that time.
I have more to say to you but I am out of time for the moment. I will try (as the Lord wills) to make another post later this morning.
Joe
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Dear Randy Kluth,
Being baptized in the name of Jesus is the scripturally correct method. And as you say, that baptism is "hardly necessary for God to move in someone's life". Water baptism is a symbol for what Christ will do spiritually to the believer.
Also, I was spiritually blind and unconverted when I went to be baptized in the name of Jesus. However, Christ put it in my heart to go to that church and be baptized there. Not because the water baptism could save me (because it didn't) but because Christ wanted me to go to that church to complete my "fallen away" spiritual condition. Only after an Elect believer is fully fallen away will Christ come to them a second time. The Elect believer must not only be dwelling in darkness but he must be dwelling at "midnight" (Parable of the Ten Virgins). Midnight represents the darkest part of being spiritually blind and under Satan's influence.
Christ completed Satan's darkness within me at that church.
Also, you keep referring to "history" and the teachings of the church fathers. You have to understand that the church fathers (other than the NT writers and converted Elect of that time) are "wolves" who entered the church after Paul departed. The spirit of anti-Christ and the apostasy came and did not spare any of the flock. The church quickly fell away from the truth that the Apostles taught them. Nothing has changed in the church since that time.
Consider this verse:
Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
The "many" make up the Nation of Israel and the "called out" church. From that group of many, only a few are chosen to be First Fruits.
I can tell you with certainty that being a part of the "many" is not where you want to be.
As for discussing the Trinity Doctrine, I believe it is against forum policy. Correct me if I am wrong.
I will say this though. All the bread the church consumes has leaven secretly hidden in it.
Mat 13:33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.
This scripture teaches the same spiritual message:
Mat 13:31 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: 32 Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.
The field is an individual Elect believer. The seed is the Early Rain of the Spirit. The seed will produce a new child of God within the believer. The phrase "birds of the air" represents the same unclean spirits mentioned in Mat 12:43-45.
The message of the parable: the birds will bring the deceptions and false teachings of Satan to the new child of God and deceive him.
There are no doctrines in the church which are true. Some have elements of truth mixed into them but their overall teaching is still false.
Paul said this to the Thessalonian church concerning when Christ would come and gather them to together.
2Thes 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there comes a falling away first, and that MAN OF SIN be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
This is the same event presented by Christ in Mat 24:29-31. Christ will not come to one of His Elect until they have become a Man of Sin. Before Christ comes and gathers an Elect believer to dwell in heaven (represents a new spiritual state of being), the Man of Sin will be revealed to them. This is a result of the believer having their spiritual blindness healed from receiving the Latter Rain. With their new "eyes that can see", the Man of Sin will be revealed to the believer. They will then understand that they are this Man of Sin. This is also the time when the believer will see the Abomination of Desolation (Mat 24:15). After the Elect believer sees who they have become, the brightness of Christ's appearance will destroy this worsened spiritual state from within them.
2Thes 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
Christ's judgment upon the Man of Sin comes from His "Sword" (God's Word). When its truth is given to the believer, that truth is what does the judging and slaying of the Man of Sin. Spiritually speaking, the Man of Sin (represented by the Beast + False Prophet) is "taken" and cast into the Lake of Fire where he is destroyed (Rev 19:20).
Christ said it this way, too:
Mat 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Here is what these two verses spiritually teach (my comments are in blue):
Mat 24:40 Then shall two (one Elect believer) be in the field (the world, place of "works"); the one shall be taken (the Man of Sin), and the other left (the child of God). 41 Two women (the spiritual nature of the believer) shall be grinding at the mill (place where the woman makes the leavened loaf); the one shall be taken (the Great Harlot, worsen carnal nature), and the other left (the new nature of the Holy Spirit).
These above verses are teaching on the conversion of an Elect believer.
The Parable of the Wheat and the Tares also teaches a similar message:
In the parable, the field represents an unconverted Elect believer dwelling in the world. As the Elect believer travels the Pathway to Salvation, both the seed of Christ (the Early Rain of the Holy Spirit) and the seed of Satan (spirit of anti-Christ) are planted within the believer. After the tares have matured within the believer, the believer becomes a Man of Sin. The Man of Sin will then be removed and burned (judged, Lake of Fire) when Christ gives the believer the Latter Rain of the Spirit. This salvation event occurs at the time of the harvest/ends of the ages (1Cor 10:11). After this judgment is complete, the new child of God (the wheat) is harvested into the barn (the Kingdom of Heaven).
I have one other item to present to you which I will do in another post.
Joe
Dear Randy Kluth,
As you are probably aware, Christ is the spiritual fulfillment of the physical Word of God which was written on tablets of stone and scrolls of paper. Since Christ is the spiritual fulfillment of the Word of God, He is the Word of God. As such, Christ not only teaches us through what He said but also by the events which are recorded in scripture.
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Mat 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:
1Cor 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
For most people, it is easy to understand that the parables contain hidden spiritual messages. But since Christ is the Word of God, all of His teachings, either by word or deed, are also spiritual messages to those who have been blessed and have had their spiritual blindness healed (Mat 20:34).
Because Christ’s words are spirit, we must learn the spiritual language of Christ in order to understand God’s Word. I can’t stress this point enough.
I’ll demonstrate how to understand Christ’s spiritual language with this simple example:
Mat 26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
Does Christ really mean that if you use a sword to kill others, then you must likewise be killed with a sword? Literally, that is what He is saying. However, if we understand this verse literally, that statement can easily be proven to be false. There are countless examples of people who have used violence to kill others but then do not die from that same type of violence - it almost goes without saying.
Is Christ mistaken or is His message something else?
The spiritual language of the Word of God utilizes the Hebrew and Greek languages. However, Christ assigns meanings to the Hebrew and Greek words which are different from how they are commonly defined:
1Cor 2:13 These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
In Matt 26:52, Christ is using the word SWORD to teach us a spiritual message. To understand what this spiritual symbol represents, we must look at how it is used elsewhere in scripture. In other words, we must compare spiritual things with spiritual.
Eph 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
From the verse presented above, it is easy to understand that the spiritual word SWORD represents the Word of God who is Christ.
Christ’s hidden spiritual point He is making in Matt 26:52 is that all who take up the Sword (those who are “called out”), must perish (death of the carnal nature) by the Sword. This death is a necessary part of the conversion process which happens when the Word of God (Christ, the Sword) comes to a person and gives them the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and the Baptism of Fire (judgment of the carnal nature):
Mat 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Spirit, and with Fire.
This conversion event is what the Apostles experienced on the Day of Pentecost:
Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of FIRE, and it sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the HOLY SPIRIT, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
In the spiritual language of Christ, the Apostles took up the Sword and then died by the SWORD.
Spiritual understanding of scripture is further explained and expanded by Isa 28:10-12:
Isa 28: 9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. 10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: 11 For with stammering lips and another language will he speak to this people. 12 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.
Psa 119:160 The sum of your word is truth, and every one of your righteous rules endures forever.
Before a believer has their spiritual blindness healed, they will not be able to understand the spiritual teachings of the Word of God. This lack of understanding will cause them to “fall backward and be broken”.
This is the same message Christ presented in Mat 12-43-45.
Paul also discusses this same subject below:
Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, 2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and age-enduring judgment. 3 And this will we do, if God permit. 4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come 6 if they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance: seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
In short, to “fall away” means to leave Grace through Faith and attempt to be acceptable to Christ by “works”. When a believer makes this attempt, they cannot be renewed by repentance. It is at that point that they have committed the sin that leads to death and have lost their salvation (1John 5:16). Losing one’s salvation is the same as to “fall backward and be broken”.
The truth of Christ is also presented to us “here a little, and there a little”. Because of such, we must assemble the pieces of truth before the whole truth of a matter can be understood. Once assembled, each piece of truth must then be added to the other pieces “line upon line and precept upon precept” so that the knowledge of God can be found. When found, it is like finding hidden treasure:
Mat 13:44 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.
Summary: To understand God’s Word, Christ must first give us a love for the truth, so much so that we are willing to give up all our carnal beliefs so that we can obtain the truth of Christ. We also need to realize that scripture is written in Christ’s spiritual language. His language utilizes the Hebrew and Greek languages, however, many of those words carry meanings which are different from what “man’s wisdom teaches”. Christ’s words are spirit and we are told to understand their spiritual meaning by comparing them with the same spiritual words used elsewhere in scripture. We are NOT to look out into the world for their meanings as so many people do. We are to also keep in mind that the truth of Christ in scripture is given “here a little and there a little”. Each piece must be assembled and stacked “line upon line” and “precept upon precept”. Then, with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, the hidden treasure of Christ will be revealed.
For those who have been given eyes that can see and ears that can hear, Christ is appearing to them and revealing Himself. They are finding great treasure!
I will now make a post which shows how Christ teaches us his truth with through an actual event of scripture.
Joe
Dear Randy Kluth,
Here is the true meaning of the story of the woman taken in adultery:
John 8:3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, 4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. 5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? 6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. 7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. 8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. 9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. 10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
In this story of the “Woman taken in Adultery”, the woman represents the Elect who will become the Bride of Christ as presented in the marriage analogy used in scripture.
This scripture applies:
Isa 54:5 For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called. 6 For the LORD hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God. 7 For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.
Adam is the “wife of youth” and is a type for the Elect.
In the scripture above, the phrase “called thee as a woman forsaken” is speaking of the time when the woman (who has been forsaken since being cast out of the Garden of Eden) is given the Early Rain of the Spirit and is called out from the world.
The phrase “wife of youth when thou was refused” is referring to the time when the woman (Adam) lost her marriage relationship with Christ in the Garden of Eden. The marriage ended when the woman (Adam) committed adultery with Satan (believing Satan over Christ).
Ever since that time, Christ has been preparing for the day when He will restore His marriage relationship with His forsaken wife. As verse 7 says, He will do so with “great mercies”. These “great mercies” are manifested in the New Covenant of Grace through Faith.
At the time of the Early Rain of the Spirit, the woman will be made into a chaste virgin and will become espoused to Christ.
2Cor 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
After the engagement takes place, Christ (the Bridegroom) will leave to “prepare a place” for his chaste virgin.
John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
To be a chaste virgin, the woman must come to Christ by faith alone. However, shortly after receiving the Early Rain of the Spirit, Satan will come to the woman masquerading as Christ and he will feed her his leavened bread (Mat 13:33). Since the leaven is hidden in the bread, she will not be aware that the bread contains the lies of Satan. Satan is able to deceive the woman because her spiritually blindness remained after she received the Early Rain of the Spirit.
Because the woman is now following the ways of Satan instead of the ways of Christ, she will fall away from faith. She is guilty of mixing in Satan’s doctrine of works (religion, Old Covenant of Law) into the New Covenant of Grace through Faith. When the woman commits this sin of adding “works” to faith, she is fornicating with Satan. This is the sin that leads to death and is the same sin that ended the original marriage in the Garden of Eden. As a result, the woman is no longer a chaste virgin. She will remain under the Law of Sin and Death.
To correct the woman’s fallen away spiritual condition, it is necessary for Christ to come to her a second time and give her the Latter Rain of the Spirit. With the Latter Rain of the Spirit, her spiritual blindness will be healed and she will come out from under Satan’s deceptions. When she does, she will be made into a chaste virgin again and will be ready for the marriage ceremony.
After the marriage ceremony takes place, she will be gathered together with Christ in the Kingdom of Heaven; the home of her Husband.
This verse applies:
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Now, let’s apply the truths I presented above from the marriage analogy to the story of the “Woman taken in Adultery”.
John 8:3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, 4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. 5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
In the first three verses of the story, a woman is said to have been caught in the act of adultery. This event typed when Adam was caught in the act of adultery in the Garden of Eden.
The woman was then delivered to the Pharisees who were responsible for the administration of the Law. The Law says that the penalty for her adultery is death. When Adam committed adultery in the Garden of Eden, he too, was judged by the Law and he was given the penalty of death (both spiritual and physical).
However, since Christ is now ready to restore his marriage relationship with the woman, he will gather her with “great mercies”:
John 8:6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
Christ’s act of writing in the ground represents Him pouring out the Early Rain of the Spirit on the woman. By doing this, He is writing His Law of the Spirit in her heart.
This verse applies:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
The verse above is referring to the New Covenant of Grace through Faith which is Christ’s spiritual covenant. Under the New Covenant, Christ will perform all the necessary “works” to restore the woman to himself. And since it is a spiritual covenant, He will write his Law of the Spirit in the heart of the woman.
John 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. 8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
After Christ first writes in the earth, the Pharisees continue to accuse the woman. They do this because the woman still remains under the Law after having received the Early Rain of the Spirit. She remains under the Law because the Early Rain is not sufficient to stop her from committing adultery with Satan. In other words, she does not have the ability to approach Christ strictly by faith alone yet. She is still compelled by her carnal nature and the deceptions of Satan to mix in her own “works” with faith. She tries to serve two masters, both Satan and Christ (Mat 6:24).
By continuing in her adultery, she falls away from faith and remains under the Law. For this reason, the Pharisees do not drop their stones but continue to accuse her.
John 8: 8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. 9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. 10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
In verse 8, Christ stoops down a second time and writes His Law of the Spirit in the heart of the woman again. This act represents the Latter Rain of the Spirit.
It is at this point that Christ heals the woman’s spiritual blindness and she comes out from Satan’s deceptions. At this time, she begins to walk by faith alone and as a result, the Law can no longer accuse her. After this change from the Old Covenant of Law to the New Covenant of Grace through Faith, the Pharisees drop their stones and leave.
The woman (the Elect) has now been made into a Chaste Virgin again and is ready for the wedding to take place. After the wedding takes place, the woman’s marriage relationship with Christ is restored.
Joe
Of course His Righteousness is ONLY for those who believe on Him. Why would you think that those who disbelieve and reject Him should experience His Righteousness? Those who disbelieve and reject Him do not want His Righteousness.
But no one is prevented or excluded from believing on Him. Whosoever WILL may come.
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Dear ScottA,
Thanks for your response. I have posted quite a bit to Randy Kluth is morning. Those posts can serve has my response to you. They are "very wordy' though, so you may not have any interest in reading them - sorry about that.
Joe
It is nothing less than astounding that when the Holy Spirit tells us of the better New Covenant established upon better promises (Hebrews 8:6), premil instead insists that God will break His word if He does not fulfill the old, decayed, vanished promises of an old, decayed, vanished covenant (Hebrews 8:13).
It reveals the extent to which naturalized carnalized perspectives have penetrated and permeated premil thinking.
One can't help but be reminded of Proverbs 26:11.
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