The Vilifying Of Church Leadership

[Hidden In Him]

Another prophecy is now on its way to fulfillment. Numerous utterances by the Spirit of God went forth a few decades ago about a time when Christian ministry as a whole would come under severe attack for sexual indiscretions. They saw a partial fulfillment in the Catholic priest scandals of early 2000s, but as was also specifically stated, this coming attack would NOT be limited to what was going on within Catholicism but would eventually become blanket accusations made against the entire landscape of Christian leadership, i.e. across all major denominations.

As John Paul Jackson prophesied in 2007, "Hidden sexual perversion in church leadership will be exposed, and I am not talking about in the Catholic Church. I'm talking about elsewhere, and the numbers will be shocking to those remaining in the church." (25:34 - 25:47).

So is it on its way to fulfillment now? It would appear so. The Southern Baptist Convention, one of the most conservative denominations within Protestantism, is now coming under attack for a long list of sins of sexual indiscretion, and ones they purportedly have been deliberately covering up "for decades." Again, this appears to be an across the board accusation rather than one leveled at just a few men here or there.

Keep in mind, we should view these accusations as highly suspect. All the usual anti-Christian players in the mainstream media are involved in reporting on this, including MSNBC, CNBC, NPR and others, which should not come as a surprise. As will also be provided below, the prophecies stated that it would be a deliberate smear campaign designed to vilify church leadership, and that much of it would not actually be true, but the effect will be the same as if it were.

Here is how the issue is being "reported" across virtually all MSM outlets, without exception.

The following case is one that may actually be true, and an example of one that will be used to bolster the case that all of it is:

IS it all actually true? The following was prophesied over 40 years ago, and predicted specifically that this coming "expose" would in reality be a deliberate attack by the god of this world - the enemy of mankind - as an attempt to circumvent the coming harvest prophesied in scripture. It will be an attempt to dissuade the masses away from Christianity before the end-time harvest is set to begin.

Before the great ingathering Christianity will experience a great humiliation… The "accuser of the brethren" will go forth with unprecedented rage against the Body of Christ. The "revelations" of immoral and unethical behavior by hundreds of highly visible ministries will bring about a loathing of Christianity throughout the world, for a time. These "revelations" will include child molesting, rape, and the most vile forms of perversion. Some of these will be true, but most will not be true... After an atmosphere of revulsion has been created, the enemy will then move against even the most respected Evangelical, Pentecostal, Protestant, Charismatic and Catholic leaders with charges of the most base forms of perversion and ethical failures. In conjunction with this, hoards of cults and satanic worshippers will begin attacking congregations and meetings. They will enter services en masse, spitting on people, urinating and performing lewd acts in order to humiliate the church. This practice will be publicized until it becomes a fad among the cults. What begins as a few isolated incidents will soon become common throughout the world… This humiliation will ultimately reduce many congregations and movements in the church to a figurative Gideon's three hundred. Like Gideon's little band, who could no longer stand the humiliation of Israel at the hands of Midian, these will be pushed to the limit of what they can tolerate. They will take their little lights and trumpets (messages) and attack the entire camp of the enemy, beginning the rout. After this, many of those who have departed out of fear and confusion will return helping to complete the victory to bring in a great harvest. (The Harvest, P.139-142)

I will add more to this thread as warranted.

God bless,
Hidden In Him

 

[GEN2REV]

Sadly, physical churches have been a wasteland where True faith, and knowledge of Scripture, is concerned for many decades now.

The Protestant churches, all over the world, have been heavily influenced by the Catholic church, and Rome, since roughly the mid-1900's, and much earlier in some regards.

Much of what they hold as tradition today came straight from the Catholic church. The Protestant Reformation has long been defeated and overcome in the mainstream faith.

Therefore, what is happening in churches everywhere today is a long-coming result of the infiltration of unBiblical protocols and beliefs that were injected close to a century ago.

Those who have eyes to see should not be shocked by what is taking place in mainstream Christian churchianity today. It has been led by, and infiltrated with, faithless wolves for a long time now. And all of the Christian Forums reflect that development.

The only True faith and religion left upon the earth is that of a personal relationship with the Lord and diligent Bible study; the only True Christians left are the Bible-believing Christians who walk after Christ's example of obedience and a commitment to God's Ways in spirit and in truth.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Another prophecy is now on its way to fulfillment.

Interesting! I've kind of set prophecy aside since Trump lost the election. I sort of lost faith in what I had been hearing from the prophets. Jackson was one of the few I had listened to with great interest. I had lost faith in David Wilkerson.

I heard some rationalize that Kim Clement had prophesied Trump to win *2 terms* as president, and they argued that even if he lost the last election he may win the succeeding election. Sounded like pure rationalization to me, though it was a valid point.

So yesterday, after a *long time,* I went back and replayed Jackson's "The Perfect Storm" video--I think 2008? Anyway, it rekindled a spark of interest, though with reservations. And then I played Kim Clement again, and it gave me goosebumps, and made me emotional--how could this stuff be wrong?

Anyway, now I hear you speak about what Jackson foretold, and I'm seeing the same thing in the news. I'm a bit of a news junkie. I watch Fox news a lot, but I have a liberal webpage on my PC--MSN's opening page. So I see all the news every day, and it is purely anti-Republican, anti-Conservative, and as you indicate, anti-Christian. The anti-Christian part just seems to be beginning, because I think the perverted liberals couldn't bring charges against Christians when they were doing the same things themselves!

But the fact is, the anti-Christian movement is growing in tandem with the progressive attack on conservatism. As the Left was able to take over the Democrat Party and do virtually anything they wanted without consequence, now anti-Christians feel emboldened to go after Christianity in the US. It's probably happening elsewhere, as well. I believe it's been happening in Canada?

Thanks for sharing!

 

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In conjunction with this, hoards of cults and satanic worshippers will begin attacking congregations and meetings. They will enter services en masse, spitting on people, urinating and performing lewd acts in order to humiliate the church. This practice will be publicized until it becomes a fad among the cults. What begins as a few isolated incidents will soon become common throughout the world…

That will be pretty hard to miss!

Just like the prophecy of nude dancing becoming the practice in Christian churches, no mistaking that one either!

Much love!

 

[Randy Kluth]

Sadly, physical churches have been a wasteland where True faith, and knowledge of Scripture, is concerned for many decades now.

The Protestant churches, all over the world, have been heavily influenced by the Catholic church, and Rome, since roughly the mid-1900's, and much earlier in some regards.

Much of what they hold as tradition today came straight from the Catholic church. The Protestant Reformation has long been defeated and overcome in the mainstream faith.

Therefore, what is happening in churches everywhere today is a long-coming result of the infiltration of unBiblical protocols and beliefs that were injected close to a century ago.

Those who have eyes to see should not be shocked by what is taking place in mainstream Christian churchianity today. It has been led by, and infiltrated with, faithless wolves for a long time now. And all of the Christian Forums reflect that development.

The only True faith and religion left upon the earth is that of a personal relationship with the Lord and diligent Bible study; the only True Christians left are the Bible-believing Christians who walk after Christ's example of obedience and a commitment to God's Ways in spirit and in truth.

A lot of truth in that--I don't know how much, due to my limited experience and perspective. I came out of Mainline Christianity, ie Lutheranism, many years ago in my late teens. There was faith inside the church, but it was suffocated. I recall that when I met up with my pastor and told him I'd joined in with the Jesus People movement and with the Charismatic Movement he tried to give me a book on tolerance called "Faith, Hope, Love." He defined "love" as "not making waves." He was a nice fellow, but not really nice to the Holy Spirit!

I shared on how the Holy Spirit is mentioned over and over in the book of Acts, and openly questioned why within our Lutheran Church there is little to no emphasis on the Holy Spirit or on spiritual gifts? Incredibly, he answered by saying that he once had a sermon in which he thinks the Holy Spirit manifested Himself. Did you get that? Just *once* did he ever note that the Holy Spirit played a role in his sermons!

Within a year or so I was gone from the Lutheran Church altogether--don't care which denomination. I came to value some of the holiness churches, like the Nazarene Church, Baptist Churches, and Pentecostal Churches. My favorite reading material at that time came from Watchman Nee, who founded 300 non-denominational churches in China. It sort of became its own denomination, the "Little Flock" movement. But Nee hated denominational divisions and was criticized by his fellow church leaders for reaching out to other denominations.

Now, after about 50 years, I can see that you're right. Christian Civilization has fallen on hard times, just like Israel did of old. There have been reform and revival movements to keep the fire burning. But we've steadily seen a decline in a mass movement in Christianity. From a national Christianity to movements either allied with state churches or separate from state churches the true Christians have steadily been reduced in size to movements apart from the State.

At the same time, the secularized State has turned against the Church. It has been more lenient, I suppose, with dead State Churches. But ultimately, the secularized state hates Christianity, because it is its natural competitor.

"Come out of her, my People," is the cry I'm hearing. We don't stop witnessing to dead Christians, but we don't fellowship with them any longer. They don't share our spiritual life and experience. We shouldn't engage them in a fellowship which pours cold water on our experience in the Lord.

 

[Randy Kluth]

That will be pretty hard to miss!

Just like the prophecy of nude dancing becoming the practice in Christian churches, no mistaking that one either!

Much love!

I remember Wilkerson prophesying that one. In The Vision Wilkerson sort of declared a vision that worked in light of what was already visible in the news, if one looked carefully. For example, he foretold Killer Bees, but that already existed just South of the US border. He wasn't declaring himself a Prophet, but more, a Seer or Visionary. He looked around him, announced what he saw, and declared that it was a rising judgment from the Lord.

I still think the Vision seemed fairly accurate--I just don't know whether to classify it as prophecy or not? Some things he foretold have never come to pass, but that doesn't mean it won't.

Later on, Wilkerson seemed to prophesy that Russia would attack the US with nukes. That kind of put me off--not so much because I thought it was impossible or undesirable, but only because it seemed more a "prediction" than a "vision." I still don't know about that one?

I classify the Nude Dancing thing in the category of things that were already beginning to happen after the Loose 60s. Anything Goes! I do believe some more rare forms of Christianity did this. And I don't think he ever predicted it would become the norm! It was just a suggestion that inroads by libertinism were making their way into the Church.

And I do remember Wilkerson opening up about the commercialism that was gaining ground in the Church. His warning seemed to put a stop to that--I won't name names.

Jackson, like Wilkerson, had amazing prophecies come true--just like Wilkerson's "Vision." He seemed as much a prophet as a visionary, although he did dream dreams as well as prophesy. He clearly foretold the Russian invasion of Ukraine, the complex assortment of hyper-inflation, deflation, stagflation, etc. He also predicted a serious epidemic--perhaps the coronavirus pandemic?

In sum, Jackson's dreams and visions still seem real. However, there are other things, like a volcano going off in the US, a dirty bomb going off in Israel, precipitating an attack on Iran, etc. that leaves me wondering: are these genuine gifts of the Spirit to the Church? Frankly, I hope they are, because although we don't need horoscopes, we do need guidance.

 

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In The Vision Wilkerson sort of declared a vision that worked in light of what was already visible in the news, if one looked carefully.

This seems to be extremely common among prophets I've heard.

I don't think I have any uncertainty but that Wilkerson declared his vision as prophecy. He gave a length and detailed prophetic narrative complete with time frame and end game.

Much love!

 

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Frankly, I hope they are, because although we don't need horoscopes, we do need guidance.

I'm finding a different sort of guidance, that rests in faith in Christ without too much concern for the daily current events. I find the signposts pretty will defined, and I feel no need to try to fit anything into anything.

That's my complaint with so many modern prophecies, that to find some kind of fulfillment you need to bend and stretch and ignore parts, with the Bible you only need wait for the key events to occur and you know what's happening. When Gog/Magog are on the mountains of Israel, there will be no mistaking that, for instance.

Much love!

 

[Randy Kluth]

I'm finding a different sort of guidance, that rests in faith in Christ without too much concern for the daily current events. I find the signposts pretty will defined, and I feel no need to try to fit anything into anything.

That's my complaint with so many modern prophecies, that to find some kind of fulfillment you need to bend and stretch and ignore parts, with the Bible you only need wait for the key events to occur and you know what's happening. When Gog/Magog are on the mountains of Israel, there will be no mistaking that, for instance.

Much love!

Early in my Charismatic experience, I was so zealous, and I often said off the cuff things that just happened to mean something to people I was speaking to. I mean, wouldn't it be cool if you met up with someone and just happened to mention how sad it is losing loved ones, and unbeknownst to you, the person you're speaking to had just lost a loved one?

Well, some things like that really happened to me! I really don't mean to hype up the experience, but things did seem a bit more mystical and more intimate many years ago in my experience with the Lord. Maybe they're happening all the time, and I just don't know it? Maybe God doesn't want us to look to "miracles," but more to just wanting to be in fellowship with Him? I think God doesn't want us to draw attention so much to ourselves as to direct others to Him?

 

[Randy Kluth]

This seems to be extremely common among prophets I've heard.

I don't think I have any uncertainty but that Wilkerson declared his vision as prophecy. He gave a length and detailed prophetic narrative complete with time frame and end game.

Much love!

Yea, I know. But Wilkerson was very clear in denying he was a prophet--he said he had visions. He wasn't speaking for God--just relaying visions he saw.

At other times I think he was just sharing what he thought the Bible taught on prophecy. I know I wrote him, rejecting his seeming claim that the U.S. was "Harlot Babylon." He wrote back--honestly--and said he wasn't declaring the U.S. the literal "Harlot Babylon" of Revelation 17--only seeing the U.S. as a *kind* of Harlot Babylon, like Rev 17.

I think he tried to keep his own thoughts close to himself, but didn't want to refrain from sharing what he thought the Bible taught. Some of it I think was genuinely prophetic--my problem is, I don't know what parts?

 

[GEN2REV]

A lot of truth in that--I don't know how much, due to my limited experience and perspective. I came out of Mainline Christianity, ie Lutheranism, many years ago in my late teens. There was faith inside the church, but it was suffocated. I recall that when I met up with my pastor and told him I'd joined in with the Jesus People movement and with the Charismatic Movement he tried to give me a book on tolerance called "Faith, Hope, Love." He defined "love" as "not making waves." He was a nice fellow, but not really nice to the Holy Spirit!

I shared on how the Holy Spirit is mentioned over and over in the book of Acts, and openly questioned why within our Lutheran Church there is little to no emphasis on the Holy Spirit or on spiritual gifts? Incredibly, he answered by saying that he once had a sermon in which he thinks the Holy Spirit manifested Himself. Did you get that? Just *once* did he ever note that the Holy Spirit played a role in his sermons!

Within a year or so I was gone from the Lutheran Church altogether--don't care which denomination. I came to value some of the holiness churches, like the Nazarene Church, Baptist Churches, and Pentecostal Churches. My favorite reading material at that time came from Watchman Nee, who founded 300 non-denominational churches in China. It sort of became its own denomination, the "Little Flock" movement. But Nee hated denominational divisions and was criticized by his fellow church leaders for reaching out to other denominations.

Now, after about 50 years, I can see that you're right. Christian Civilization has fallen on hard times, just like Israel did of old. There have been reform and revival movements to keep the fire burning. But we've steadily seen a decline in a mass movement in Christianity. From a national Christianity to movements either allied with state churches or separate from state churches the true Christians have steadily been reduced in size to movements apart from the State.

At the same time, the secularized State has turned against the Church. It has been more lenient, I suppose, with dead State Churches. But ultimately, the secularized state hates Christianity, because it is its natural competitor.

"Come out of her, my People," is the cry I'm hearing. We don't stop witnessing to dead Christians, but we don't fellowship with them any longer. They don't share our spiritual life and experience. We shouldn't engage them in a fellowship which pours cold water on our experience in the Lord.

One of the biggest reasons the church became what it is today is because it became a business.

What did Jesus have to say about His House becoming a place of business? He was none too happy - to say the least.

He differentiated between serving God and serving Mammon as two inherently mutually exclusive affairs - as they, in themselves, are as contradictory as light and darkness, literally.

The church that began as a place to serve God is now owned, and run by, Mammon. It can't possibly maintain an air of any level of sincere service/worship; not to God Almighty anyway.

What once was a very exclusive institution is now open to, and inviting, everybody of all beliefs, temperaments and walks of life; sinners to boot - come one, come all.

As long as it makes the church money, it is allowed; and the majority of the most important doctrines of Scripture are not crowd-friendly teachings. So all of those gotta go. Out with the old and in with the new, out with the sacred and in with the profane.

The church of today IS the World that the Bible refers to in the lowest regard.

 

[Randy Kluth]

One of the biggest reasons the church became what it is today is because it became a business.

What did Jesus have to say about His House becoming a place of business? He was none too happy - to say the least.

He differentiated between serving God and serving Mammon as two inherently mutually exclusive affairs - as they, in themselves, are as contradictory as light and darkness, literally.

The church that began as a place to serve God is now owned, and run by, Mammon. It can't possibly maintain an air of any level of sincere service/worship; not to God Almighty anyway.

What once was a very exclusive institution is now open to, and inviting, everybody of all beliefs, temperaments and walks of life; sinners to boot - come one, come all.

As long as it makes the church money, it is allowed; and the majority of the most important doctrines of Scripture are not crowd-friendly teachings. So all of those gotta go. Out with the old and in with the new, out with the sacred and in with the profane.

The church of today IS the World that the Bible refers to in the lowest regard.

I hear ya. The Bible speaks against "professional preachers," or "ministers for profit." They are "false shepherds," who expect to make a good living off of doing something they love. But what they love is telling people what they want to hear, to make people feel good, and to grow crowds, and appear "respectable."

So yes, "shepherds for hire" are not preaching the Gospel. And the Gospel is really "dying to ourselves, to our own way, to things we covet and lust after"--not popular in this age of decadence and greed.

I try to treat Christians who are enmeshed in the world with some respect, because they may be like I was--completely ignorant. It does no good to fire people up with anger by attacking them directly. It's best to approach people gradually, be honest, and yet respect the process. Plant the seed and pray. Speak the word and let God convict, right?

 

[GEN2REV]

I try to treat Christians who are enmeshed in the world with some respect, because they may be like I was--completely ignorant. It does no good to fire people up with anger by attacking them directly. It's best to approach people gradually, be honest, and yet respect the process. Plant the seed and pray. Speak the word and let God convict, right?

To sum up my take on this, I would have to say that I treat Christians, that I may meet in person, much, much different than the "Christians" that I meet online.

The mediums within which the confrontations take place are night and day different (and probably literally, in a spiritual sense). Most professed Christians online are not Christians at all. Some are, but the majority that I have interacted with for a decade or so are enemies, and well aware of it.

So, in the world of technology we live in today, it is like trying to evangelize your enemy on the battlefield. Yes, Jesus said "Love your enemies...", but He also gave the Pharisees, Jews, Sadducees and scribes zero slack when they attempted to corner, and gang-up, on Him.

He showed them no mercy verbally in His public humiliation of them. Contrary to what it may seem like in my Forum conduct, my priority is to present Truth to any and all who may be reading, but I don't show a lot of mercy if the other person is being disrespectful in subtle ways by purposely ignoring valid points and outright lying about certain conclusions met, etc.

Treating people online like innocent, sincere Christians who are eager to learn doesn't get you very far - unless you come across one of the few who actually is sincere. They are few and far between.

 

[Randy Kluth]

To sum up my take on this, I would have to say that I treat Christians, that I may meet in person, much, much different than the "Christians" that I meet online.

Yes, I know what you mean!

The mediums within which the confrontations take place are night and day different (and probably literally, in a spiritual sense). Most professed Christians online are not Christians at all. Some are, but the majority that I have interacted with for a decade or so are enemies, and well aware of it.

So, in the world of technology we live in today, it is like trying to evangelize your enemy on the battlefield. Yes, Jesus said "Love your enemies...", but He also gave the Pharisees, Jews, Sadducees and scribes zero slack when they attempted to corner, and gang-up, on Him.

He showed them no mercy verbally in His public humiliation of them. Contrary to what it may seem like in my Forum conduct, my priority is to present Truth to any and all who may be reading, but I don't show a lot of mercy if the other person is being disrespectful in subtle ways by purposely ignoring valid points and outright lying about certain conclusions met, etc.

Treating people online like innocent, sincere Christians who are eager to learn doesn't get you very far - unless you come across one of the few who actually is sincere. They are few and far between.

Yes, all good points, and I agree. I certainly wasn't pointing the finger at your conduct. I don't believe I even know you? I've lost two of my main forums over the past 20 years, and have been trying out several now. One that I seemed to be in continuity with where I was before turned out to be sort of like you're describing. They were an odd assortment of Christians, united in opposition to anything that goes against a Christian brand of progressive thinking.

I'm serious. The forum "dictator" constantly threatened me with temporary bans because I took certain positions. And when he challenged me, they *all* challenged me. I was ganged up on simply because I didn't take the group position.

In the end, I discovered the gang leader was a man in transition to a woman, or something like that. I'm not bad-mouthing him--these were his own words! And *all* of the Christians on that forum took a position of sympathy towards him and anger towards me for being "judgmental!" Ultimately, I was temporarily banned, and I've not gone back. In fact, I've not looked back!

God certainly cut me off from them because I wasn't able to reach them. Maybe they were too resistant to being reached? At any rate, Jesus said go where you're welcomed, and where there is openness to the message. I can take the persecution if some good is being done.

Thanks for your comments.

 

[GEN2REV]

Yes, all good points, and I agree. I certainly wasn't pointing the finger at your conduct.

Sorry, I meant to state that I didn't take that you were. I just got off on a tangent.

All good.

 

[GEN2REV]

I've lost two of my main forums over the past 20 years, and have been trying out several now. One that I seemed to be in continuity with where I was before turned out to be sort of like you're describing. They were an odd assortment of Christians, united in opposition to anything that goes against a Christian brand of progressive thinking.

I'm serious. The forum "dictator" constantly threatened me with temporary bans because I took certain positions. And when he challenged me, they *all* challenged me. I was ganged up on simply because I didn't take the group position.

In the end, I discovered the gang leader was a man in transition to a woman, or something like that. I'm not bad-mouthing him--these were his own words! And *all* of the Christians on that forum took a position of sympathy towards him and anger towards me for being "judgmental!"

I believe you know this, but the ganging up is actually an illusion to reinforce the position of those who actually run the Forum. It's actually just one, maybe a few at most, using multiple User Names to create the illusion of a crowd of opposition when, in reality, it is only one, or very few, who are actually disagreeing with you.

For all reading this, just know that nothing is what it seems on Christian Forums.

EVER.

 

[Randy Kluth]

I believe you know this, but the ganging up is actually an illusion to reinforce the position of those who actually run the Forum. It's actually just one, maybe a few at most, using multiple User Names to create the illusion of a crowd of opposition when, in reality, it is only one, or very few, who are actually disagreeing with you.

For all reading this, just know that nothing is what it seems on Christian Forums.

EVER.

Yes, I've done forums for 20 years, starting out with Usenet on an unmoderated forum discussing issues dividing Jews and Christians. A guy named "Rob Strom" was a Reform Jew who stepped in to create the forum to get Christians to stop trying to evangelize Jews on exclusively Jewish forums.

Relatively few Jews ever went there, but I did have 10 years of discussions with Rob and Co. Made some friends there--mostly not. Not all the same people, but the accusation was constantly thrown out as such. You could make out the typical male and female issues, black and white issues, intellectual and emotional issues, conservative and liberal issues.

This last forum I just left is *not* just one person--I can tell. It was a regrouping of the previous forum which had gone away. They had distinct beliefs, and sometimes disagreed with one another.

One was a Democrat-voting Christian from San Francisco. He hated anything I said that was Republican or Conservative--that's who I am. Another was well-known on the previous forum, and more of a genuine conservative, up until it meant he would have to side against the leader of the group. Then he caved and rationalized everything.

The lead guy was very smart, and showed genuine scars of having been raised up in a Christian home, with "issues" dogging him. I've seen this in my own family.

So no, these aren't all the same people. The guy who started the group was a pastor-type with typical evangelical beliefs. Why he turned it over to the "smart guy" in the group, I don't know--maybe it was his computer skills?

But this is how I see it. Some came in with JW written all over them, and these smart guys caught it and dismissed them quickly--so they weren't all false Christians or spiritually bankrupt.

The important thing is, I couldn't help them. Shake the dust off, and move on to the next town...

I will watch out for what you say, though. As I get older I may get more susceptible to deception!

 

[Truth7t7]

As John Paul Jackson prophesied in 2007, "Hidden sexual perversion in church leadership will be exposed, and I am not talking about in the Catholic Church. I'm talking about elsewhere, and the numbers will be shocking to those remaining in the church." (25:34 - 25:47).

So is it on its way to fulfillment now? It would appear so. The Southern Baptist Convention, one of the most conservative denominations within Protestantism, is now coming under attack for a long list of sins of sexual indiscretion, and ones they purportedly have been deliberately covering up "for decades." Again, this appears to be an across the board accusation rather than one leveled at just a few men here or there.

Keep in mind, we should view these accusations as highly suspect. All the usual anti-Christian players in the mainstream media are involved in reporting on this, including MSNBC, CNBC, NPR and others, which should not come as a surprise. As will also be provided below, the prophecies stated that it would be a deliberate smear campaign designed to vilify church leadership, and that much of it would not actually be true, but the effect will be the same as if it were.

Here is how the issue is being "reported" across virtually all MSM outlets, without exception.

The following case is one that may actually be true, and an example of one that will be used to bolster the case that all of it is:

IS it all actually true? The following was prophesied over 40 years ago, and predicted specifically that this coming "expose" would in reality be a deliberate attack by the god of this world - the enemy of mankind - as an attempt to circumvent the coming harvest prophesied in scripture. It will be an attempt to dissuade the masses away from Christianity before the end-time harvest is set to begin.

Before the great ingathering Christianity will experience a great humiliation… The "accuser of the brethren" will go forth with unprecedented rage against the Body of Christ. The "revelations" of immoral and unethical behavior by hundreds of highly visible ministries will bring about a loathing of Christianity throughout the world, for a time. These "revelations" will include child molesting, rape, and the most vile forms of perversion. Some of these will be true, but most will not be true... After an atmosphere of revulsion has been created, the enemy will then move against even the most respected Evangelical, Pentecostal, Protestant, Charismatic and Catholic leaders with charges of the most base forms of perversion and ethical failures. In conjunction with this, hoards of cults and satanic worshippers will begin attacking congregations and meetings. They will enter services en masse, spitting on people, urinating and performing lewd acts in order to humiliate the church. This practice will be publicized until it becomes a fad among the cults. What begins as a few isolated incidents will soon become common throughout the world… This humiliation will ultimately reduce many congregations and movements in the church to a figurative Gideon's three hundred. Like Gideon's little band, who could no longer stand the humiliation of Israel at the hands of Midian, these will be pushed to the limit of what they can tolerate. They will take their little lights and trumpets (messages) and attack the entire camp of the enemy, beginning the rout. After this, many of those who have departed out of fear and confusion will return helping to complete the victory to bring in a great harvest. (The Harvest, P.139-142)

I will add more to this thread as warranted.

God bless,
Hidden In Him

Wikipedia: John Paul Jackson (July 30, 1950 - February 18, 2015) was an American author, teacher, conference speaker and founder of Streams Ministries International. Jackson often focused on supernatural topics like dreams, visions, and dream interpretation as found in the Bible.[1] He developed a number of prophetic training courses. He was the host of Dreams & Mysteries with John Paul Jackson found on Daystar. He was also a recurring guest on many shows that include The 700 Club, Sid Roth's It's Supernatural, Benny Hinn's This Is Your Day program, and Joni Lamb's Table Talk among others. At one time he was a member of the controversial Kansas City Prophets, whose practice and doctrine came under fire in the 1980s and '90s.[2] He was the founder of Streams Ministries International, a Christian group that deals especially with the practice known as prophecy. Jackson's career spanned more than 20 years. He served as the senior pastor of two churches, and he also served on the pastoral staff at the Vineyard Movement's Christian Fellowship in Anaheim, California (with John Wimber) and at the former Metro Christian Fellowship in Kansas City, Missouri (with Mike Bickle).

John Paul Jackson, Author, Speaker, Founder of Streams Ministries International
In 1997, Jackson launched The Streams Institute for Spiritual Development, a training program for mentoring those who claim to have revelatory gifts.[3] By 2003, more than 12,000 students had enrolled in his courses, which have been held in Canada, Scotland, Poland, England, Switzerland, and Ukraine. In the summer of 2001, Jackson moved his headquarters to the Lake Sunapee region of New Hampshire. In 2008, Jackson relocated the ministry headquarters to the Dallas–Fort Worth metropolitan area.

Declining health
Jackson was diagnosed with cancer in May 2014. Doctors found a huge cancerous growth in his leg. Surgery removed a 12-lb tumour and the operation required 175 stitches.[17]

Death
Jackson died on February 18, 2015 following post-cancer treatment complications which left him with pneumonia, pleurisy and secondary tumours on his lungs.[18] He was 64.

 

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Wikipedia: John Paul Jackson (July 30, 1950 - February 18, 2015) was an American author, teacher, conference speaker and founder of Streams Ministries International. Jackson often focused on supernatural topics like dreams, visions, and dream interpretation as found in the Bible.[1] He developed a number of prophetic training courses. He was the host of Dreams & Mysteries with John Paul Jackson found on Daystar. He was also a recurring guest on many shows that include The 700 Club, Sid Roth's It's Supernatural, Benny Hinn's This Is Your Day program, and Joni Lamb's Table Talk among others. At one time he was a member of the controversial Kansas City Prophets, whose practice and doctrine came under fire in the 1980s and '90s.[2] He was the founder of Streams Ministries International, a Christian group that deals especially with the practice known as prophecy. Jackson's career spanned more than 20 years. He served as the senior pastor of two churches, and he also served on the pastoral staff at the Vineyard Movement's Christian Fellowship in Anaheim, California (with John Wimber) and at the former Metro Christian Fellowship in Kansas City, Missouri (with Mike Bickle).

John Paul Jackson, Author, Speaker, Founder of Streams Ministries International
In 1997, Jackson launched The Streams Institute for Spiritual Development, a training program for mentoring those who claim to have revelatory gifts.[3] By 2003, more than 12,000 students had enrolled in his courses, which have been held in Canada, Scotland, Poland, England, Switzerland, and Ukraine. In the summer of 2001, Jackson moved his headquarters to the Lake Sunapee region of New Hampshire. In 2008, Jackson relocated the ministry headquarters to the Dallas–Fort Worth metropolitan area.

Declining health
Jackson was diagnosed with cancer in May 2014. Doctors found a huge cancerous growth in his leg. Surgery removed a 12-lb tumour and the operation required 175 stitches.[17]

Death
Jackson died on February 18, 2015 following post-cancer treatment complications which left him with pneumonia, pleurisy and secondary tumours on his lungs.[18] He was 64.

Hi Truth.

Are you making a case against John Jackson or just presenting follow up information?

I didn't understand the significance of the information and have no opinion either way.

 

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The "revelations" of immoral and unethical behavior by hundreds of highly visible ministries will bring about a loathing of Christianity throughout the world, for a time. These "revelations" will include child molesting, rape, and the most vile forms of perversion...

Just found one such case, which they will likely bring a lot of attention to now:

Daughter of Pastor sues Southern Baptist Convention, Louisville Seminary after alleged abuse

By Josh Ninke
Published: May. 20, 2022 at 9:52 PM CDT

LOUISVILLE, Ky. (WAVE) - Hannah Kate Williams filed a lawsuit Friday, alleging the Southern Baptist Convention and its seminary failed to protect her and other children from the abuse of her father, who was also employed by the organization as a pastor.

“Imagine being told that the more the sexual abuse hurts, the more pleased God is,” Williams said. “And so it’s very extensive, torturous type of abuse that not only I but my siblings experienced as well.” She said the physical abuse started when she was four, and the sexual abuse started when she was eight. “My father, my abuser, would baptize me, and that baptism would also work as a type of waterboarding,” Williams said.

When she turned to church leaders for help, she said instead of stepping in, they praised her father’s behavior. “To come out of the abuse and to expect freedom to look a certain way, to expect it to be joyous and to expect the church to embrace you for doing the right thing for telling the truth,” Williams said, “only to be harassed and to be threatened and to be told you are an enemy of God and you are destroying the domination that you’ve only ever known.”

Here is the complete release from Williams’ lawyers describing the complaint...

The Complaint alleges years of sexual and physical abuse that started when Ms. Williams was just four or five years old, beginning with Defendant holding Ms. Williams underwater in the bathtub for extended periods of time to “baptize” Plaintiff for her “sins.” The Complaint alleges that Defendant used this form of physically and psychologically abusive “punishment” on some or all his other children. The Complaint further alleges that when Ms. Williams was eight years old, James Ray Williams began sexually abusing her. Ms. Williams reported the abuse to Defendant’s employer at an SBTS-run day camp; the report was spurred by Ms. Williams experiencing extreme fear of water while other children were playing in the camp pool...
Daughter of pastor sues Southern Baptist Convention, Louisville seminary after alleged abuse