Is there even a disagreement then? You gave the impression that you were questioning some or all of what I said in post #235.
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Is there even a disagreement then? You gave the impression that you were questioning some or all of what I said in post #235.
In your mind, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, you only see A4E being a type for the man of sin. While I OTOH see Judas being a type for the man of sin. Think about it for a minute. A4E defiled a literal temple, except 2 Thessalonians 2:4 is not involving a literal temple. How can there possibly be a connection? But when Judas allowed satan to posssess him he defiled his body, he defiled the temple of God(1 Corinthians 3:16-17)
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David in NJ
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No, i was only seeking to encourage and/or agree with you that there is going to be a great evil unleashed INSIDE mankind that will bring about the unforgivable sin.
I think that Judas betrayed Jesus in his agreement to lead the armed men (of the chief priests and Pharisees) to the garden of Gethsemane to arrest Jesus when crowds were not around - because Satan had put those thoughts to do so into Judas.
I don't think that Satan literally possessed Judas at the time to do so. There are different points of view about that though. One is that Satan literally possessed Judas. The other is that Satan whispered thoughts into Judas's mind.
Allowed or however we might want to take it to mean, the text says satan entered Judas, thus, in my mind, equals possessed him during the ordeal. After all, how does a spirit being enter someone without it involving possessing them?
Luke 22:3 Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.
John 13:27 And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.
What I would argue is this, where I feel this argument can't be trumped. To apply verse 11 and 12 to the days of A4E is to then violate verse 4. It is not reasonable that all the words in ch 12 are shut up and sealed until the time of the end except for verse 11 and 12.
Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Which has to include verse 11 and 12.
Zao is life
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I agree with what you say above.
I'm not sure what Matthew 24:18 is telling us, but if we look at it this way then possibly it sheds more light on what Jesus is saying:
Therefore when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, let him which is in the field not return back to take his clothes.
Return back to where?
Therefore when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house.
The housetop of which house?
The word for "return" is also used for converted in some verses.
G1994
ἐπιστρέφω
ejpistrevfw epistrepho {ep-ee-stref'-o}
from 1909 and 4762; to revert (literally, figuratively or morally):--come (go) again, convert, (re-)turn (about, again).
Luke 1:16-17:
And many of the children of Israel shall he turn [epistrepho] to the Lord their God. And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn [epistrepho] the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.
Matthew 13:15:
For this people’s heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted [epistrepho], and I should heal them.
Matthew 22:11-14:
And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. For many are called, but few are chosen.
The field:
The one in the field (G68): ἀγρός ajgrovs agros {ag-ros'}
from 71; a field (as a drive for cattle); genitive case, the country; specially, a farm, i.e. hamlet:--country, farm, piece of ground, land.
The one in the field is not present in the sheepfold, nor in the church.
Therefore when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, let him which is in the field not return back to take his clothes.
Neither let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house.
If this is talking about the holy place that now has the abomination of desolation in it, then what is the 'clothing' and what are the things in it that we would find valuable enough to want to take with us?
I'm pretty sure that the 'clothing' and 'the things in the house' are a metaphor for something, but I don't know what.
Zao is life
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IMHO What you say is trumped by two things:
(a) The fact that there are no chapter or verse separations in the original version of Daniel; and
(b) The fact that (though you seem to be flatly ignoring this and therefore failing to understand it), Markan Sandwiches are employed by almost all the prophets and Psalmists as part of their style of writing. Markan Sandwiches are an integral part of some prophecies.
You don't deny that Daniel is talking about different subjects in the book of Daniel, and prophesying about different things. So why do you deny and ignore the fact that Daniel is employing Markan Sandwiches, like all the prophets did?
PS: Another example of a Markan Sandwich used by Daniel is the closing statement about the activities of the king of the north (Daniel 11:45). MANY don't get this, and wind up interpreting that closing statement about the king of the north to mean that he planted the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain at the time that he came to his end.
So only IF you bear the above facts in mind while you read Daniel 12 will you then realize that Daniel is still speaking about different subjects in Daniel 12 - and one of them is still talking about the same thing that Daniel began to prophesy about in a previous chapter
- and the reason why God inspired him to do this is because the one subject compares with the same sort of thing that will occur again in the latter days.
This subject:
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
is the closing statement of the AoD of A4E, and it has nothing to do with the following subject, save the fact that the former became the type of the latter, which is written about here:
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.
There are also things about both the former subject (the AoD of A4E) that it has in common with the AoD of the latter days:
There shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time was true until the time of A4E's AoD - and it will be true of the time of the AoD of the son of perdition, which means that Matthew 24:21-22 will be even greater than the former, which had been the case till then (notice that Daniel 12:1 does not add "nor ever shall be" the way Matthew 24:21 does).
The Maccabees and the remnant who remained faithful to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and the form of worship He gave them will also be among those of the time of the Lord's return who were wise, and shone as the brightness of the firmament; and turned many to righteousness, and will shine as the stars for ever and ever.
The faithful remnant of the time of the Lord's return will have to share their glory with many otrhers who came before them, and whoever does not like that idea is probably not part of the faithful remnant.
Daniel 12:11-12 is the closing statement regarding a different subject to the rest of Daniel 12 - because it is closing the subject of the idol in the physical temple that was placed by A4E in the literal holy place of that physical temple
- and that AoD is the type of the final AoD of 2 Thess 2:4 and Mat 24:15.
(a) The fact that there are no chapter or verse separations in the original version of Daniel; and
(b) The fact that (though you seem to be flatly ignoring this and therefore failing to understand it), Markan Sandwiches are employed by almost all the prophets and Psalmists as part of their style of writing. Markan Sandwiches are an integral part of some prophecies.
You don't deny that Daniel is talking about different subjects in the book of Daniel, and prophesying about different things. So why do you deny and ignore the fact that Daniel is employing Markan Sandwiches, like all the prophets did?
PS: Another example of a Markan Sandwich used by Daniel is the closing statement about the activities of the king of the north (Daniel 11:45). MANY don't get this, and wind up interpreting that closing statement about the king of the north to mean that he planted the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain at the time that he came to his end.
So only IF you bear the above facts in mind while you read Daniel 12 will you then realize that Daniel is still speaking about different subjects in Daniel 12 - and one of them is still talking about the same thing that Daniel began to prophesy about in a previous chapter
- and the reason why God inspired him to do this is because the one subject compares with the same sort of thing that will occur again in the latter days.
This subject:
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
is the closing statement of the AoD of A4E, and it has nothing to do with the following subject, save the fact that the former became the type of the latter, which is written about here:
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.
There are also things about both the former subject (the AoD of A4E) that it has in common with the AoD of the latter days:
There shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time was true until the time of A4E's AoD - and it will be true of the time of the AoD of the son of perdition, which means that Matthew 24:21-22 will be even greater than the former, which had been the case till then (notice that Daniel 12:1 does not add "nor ever shall be" the way Matthew 24:21 does).
The Maccabees and the remnant who remained faithful to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and the form of worship He gave them will also be among those of the time of the Lord's return who were wise, and shone as the brightness of the firmament; and turned many to righteousness, and will shine as the stars for ever and ever.
The faithful remnant of the time of the Lord's return will have to share their glory with many otrhers who came before them, and whoever does not like that idea is probably not part of the faithful remnant.
Daniel 12:11-12 is the closing statement regarding a different subject to the rest of Daniel 12 - because it is closing the subject of the idol in the physical temple that was placed by A4E in the literal holy place of that physical temple
- and that AoD is the type of the final AoD of 2 Thess 2:4 and Mat 24:15.
Both are biblical types of the man of sin. Judas Iscariot had no political authority and did not cause his brethren to apostatize by causing them to worship God in a way not handed down to them.
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Hi Zao is life,
I don't think that the clothing and the things in the house are metaphors.
Also, back then and still so, I think the houses had flat roofs with maybe a parapet around the roof, that occupants of the houses would use their house top instead of yards, as there were no yards as the streets came right up to the front doors, in the tightly packed dwellings.
I think what Jesus was stressing is don't delay to flee to the mountains when they see the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place (on the temple mount). i.e. don't spend hours packing up clothes and things of value like jewelry, money, and other things such a eating utensils, cups - i.e. things that a person might take on a trip.
The reason for not delay fleeing is that the authorities are going to quickly block off the escape routes of them fleeing out of Jerusalem to the mountains.
The persons who will have their escape routes blocked are the remnant in Revelation 12:17. The persons who flee right away are the ones in Revelation 12:14-16.
Zao is life
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Hi Dougg
When was Christ caught up to God and to His throne?
"And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days." (Revelation 12:5-6).
When was the dragon cast down to earth? (because that's when he persecuted the woman):
"When the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child." (Revelation 12:13).
Is "the woman" literal, or does she symbolize something? How about the wings of a great eagle that she was given? Did the woman literally go flying away with the wings of a great eagle? What was the woman nourished with?
"And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent." (Revelation 12:13-14).
What was the flood? And what is the earth swallowing up the flood symbolizing? Are they literal? Or are they metaphors that symbolize something?
"And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth." (Revelation 12:15-16).
Who are "the remnant of her (the woman's) seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ"?
"And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." (Revelation 12:17).
IMO verses 12-16 are talking about things that took place in the first century AD, and verses 17 is talking about what has been taking place since then, and will culminate in the beast's war with the remnant of her seed (Revelation 13:7).
Spiritual Israelite
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He answers multiple questions and was not obligated to answer them in any certain chronological order.
Spiritual Israelite
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My takeaway from this post is that you think your "Markan sandwich" is edible and mine is not. Whatever. Also, I can't ever be convinced that Luke 21:20-24 is not a parallel passage to Matthew 24:15-22. Some translations of Daniel 9:27 only mention a singular abomination rather than abominations (plural), so I am fully convinced that Jesus had Daniel 9:26-27 in mind when referring to a prophecy from Daniel in relation to the abomination of desolation. Especially since what He was talking about was in relation to the destruction of the temple and Daniel 9:26-27 also refers to that. We've been over all of this several times and we still disagree. That tells me that it is very unlikely that we ever agree on this. So, we'll have to agree to disagree.
Spiritual Israelite
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That guy spiritualizes almost everything. Why would you think you can trust anything he says? There is no indication at all that Jesus was not being literal there.
Matthew 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Luke 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
What Jesus was saying when He said "Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes." means the same thing as Luke's paraphrase of what He said in Luke 21:21. He was saying that no one in Judea should spend any time gathering their belongings and they should instead start heading to the mountains. And He said no one outside of Judea should enter into it to gather their belongings because by spending time doing that they might get caught up in the coming tribulation when the Roman armies were going to destroy Jerusalem and make it desolate, which they did.
You are trying to relate unrelated verses. In Luke 17 there is no reference to anyone needing to flee to the mountains. Are you forgetting that Matthew 24:17 was said in relation to the need to flee to the mountains? When Jesus comes, no one will be able to flee to the mountains because of the suddenness of everything that will happen once He comes. That is not the context of Matthew 24:15-17 which is in relation to people needing to flee from the coming tribulation. No one knows the day or hour of Christ's future coming so there will be no warnings like an abomation of desolation standing in the holy place and armies surrounding Jerusalem that tells Jewish believers that they need to flee to the mountains. You are missing that the context of Matthew 24:15-17 is completely different from the context of Luke 17:31-32. One relates to a local tribulation in Judea (Matt 24:15-17) and one relates to the global future coming of Christ (Luke 17:31-32).
But, in terms of great tribulation occurring before Christ's future return, why would it be particularly troublesome for pregnant women and nursing mothers in relation to that? It's very easy to see why it would be particularly troublesome for them to flee to the mountains before the destruction of 70 AD, but I don't see how that could relate to tribulation before Christ's return. What is your explanation for that?
Matthew 24:19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.
What would Jesus saying "How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers" illustrate in relation to great distress/tribulation before His future second coming?
What would Jesus saying "Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath" illustrate in relation to great distress/tribulation before His future second coming, keeping in mind that their "flight" is in relation to fleeing to the mountains? What does His reference to those in Judea fleeing to the mountains metaphorically illustrate in relation to His future second coming?
When Peter is called Satan, Jesus states "You have your mind on the things of man, not of God."
While Satan was alive and still around, you can also see the Zionist Jews, perhaps, and some others, which were used by Satan, and they mainly had their mind on the things of man, as well.
They wanted a physical messiah, a physical king. Jesus said "My kingdom is not of this world, otherwise my servants would fight." They would have set up a rebellion, to take over the kingdom which was in that day of Israel in the state it was.
Some mention there was a division between Israel and Judah, while true, that did not mean that the 12 tribes didn't still show up to the temple, (those who wanted to), in their annual goings.
However, Judas, had his mind set on making a little money, then he sold out Yeshua, then regretted it.
I think there is a lesson within this story of Judas, and also a perspective when looking at Peter, of how the people around at that time, had their mind set on the things of man.
Just some thoughts.
While Satan was alive and still around, you can also see the Zionist Jews, perhaps, and some others, which were used by Satan, and they mainly had their mind on the things of man, as well.
They wanted a physical messiah, a physical king. Jesus said "My kingdom is not of this world, otherwise my servants would fight." They would have set up a rebellion, to take over the kingdom which was in that day of Israel in the state it was.
Some mention there was a division between Israel and Judah, while true, that did not mean that the 12 tribes didn't still show up to the temple, (those who wanted to), in their annual goings.
However, Judas, had his mind set on making a little money, then he sold out Yeshua, then regretted it.
I think there is a lesson within this story of Judas, and also a perspective when looking at Peter, of how the people around at that time, had their mind set on the things of man.
Just some thoughts.
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Hello Zao, I am not sure if you have missed reading my post that explains more about housetop and what the meaning of not return back to take his clothes is, which you can find here.
The "clothing" represents the righteousness of Christ, which we receive when we are born again. This spiritual garment is given by Christ, and we are called to keep it—to remain clothed in His righteousness and not lose it. This is why Christ warns us in Revelation 16:
Rev 16:13-16
(13) And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
(14) For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
(15) Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
(16) And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
Armageddon is not just a physical battle—it's a spiritual war that takes place within God’s rebellious house, which is now spiritually called Sodom, Revelation 11:8. God is judging His unfaithful congregation. He allows false prophets and false christs—symbolized by locusts, frogs, lice, and other plagues—to enter and bring destruction upon the house just like we saw in Exdous as an example - a type.
That’s why we must guard our spiritual clothing (Christ’s righteousness) and not return to the rebellious house that is now under judgment. That house no longer has the garments, the truth, or the presence of God. Avoid churches where you could clearly "SEE" the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place. Stay separate and remain clothed in Christ and waits upon the return of the King when the hour of judgment of the Whore is complete.
The "clothing" represents the righteousness of Christ, which we receive when we are born again. This spiritual garment is given by Christ, and we are called to keep it—to remain clothed in His righteousness and not lose it. This is why Christ warns us in Revelation 16:
Rev 16:13-16
(13) And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
(14) For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
(15) Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
(16) And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
Armageddon is not just a physical battle—it's a spiritual war that takes place within God’s rebellious house, which is now spiritually called Sodom, Revelation 11:8. God is judging His unfaithful congregation. He allows false prophets and false christs—symbolized by locusts, frogs, lice, and other plagues—to enter and bring destruction upon the house just like we saw in Exdous as an example - a type.
That’s why we must guard our spiritual clothing (Christ’s righteousness) and not return to the rebellious house that is now under judgment. That house no longer has the garments, the truth, or the presence of God. Avoid churches where you could clearly "SEE" the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place. Stay separate and remain clothed in Christ and waits upon the return of the King when the hour of judgment of the Whore is complete.
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Concerning "Rapture view", consider founded this.
Luke 17:31 On that day a person out on the deck of a roof must not go down into the house to pack. A person out in the field must not return home.
I don't believe people in this day are really hanging out on their roof like they did in that day in age.
Especially in America, our roofs have points on them, there is rarely ever seen a top deck you can just hang around.
This day, that is being spoken about by Yeshua, would be the day of the great and dreadful day of the LORD.
Luke 17:31 On that day a person out on the deck of a roof must not go down into the house to pack. A person out in the field must not return home.
I don't believe people in this day are really hanging out on their roof like they did in that day in age.
Especially in America, our roofs have points on them, there is rarely ever seen a top deck you can just hang around.
This day, that is being spoken about by Yeshua, would be the day of the great and dreadful day of the LORD.
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And of course this does not mean man cannot live free from sin as in not knowingly or willingly doing things that are sinful.
Those led by the Holy Spirit do not do sinful things, but they may occasionally make mistakes such as forgetting to do something, dropping something on the floor, etc of which are falling short of God's absolute perfection which are automatically cleansed as we see in 1 John 1:7
1 John 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanseth us from ALL sin.
What 1 John 1:7 does NOT automatically cleanse us from is when we knowingly or willingly doing things that are sinful or if we do things God says in His Word are sinful and we claim we don't think it's sinful.
So it is quite possible to live sin free before the Lord and experience the Lord treating you as though you are sin free if we are being led by the Holy Spirit based on what God has said in His Word which IS Truth.
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Hi Zao is life,
Yes, Revelation 12 has symbolism and metaphors in it.
Revelation 12:1-5 is about Jesus being born to Israel, and Satan's attempt to kill Jesus at birth. Which failed as Jesus was born, destined to rule the nations, and is now in heaven, sitting at the right hand of God.
Revelation 12:6, the 1260 days, is the first half of the forthcoming 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27, which is also the 1260 days of the two witnesses of Revelation 11:3 that the two witnesses will feed Israel (the woman) the Word of God.
Revelation 12:7-9 is at the middle of the 7 years, of a war that Satan and his angels will be cast down to earth from the (second) heaven, the cosmos. As the time of Satan's power nears an end.
Revelation 12:10 is a proclamation in heaven, that the Jews will have turned to Jesus and the gospel of salvation. And Satan, who now accuses them of their unbelief, cast down to earth for his final days.
Revelation 12:11 iterates that the newly converted Jews will overcome all of Satan's accusations against them, by their being covered by the blood of the Lamb, loyal to Jesus even unto death.
Revelation 12:12 is the reaction of the inhabitants of heaven rejoicing over the action by God to end Satan's power. But woe to the inhabitants of the earth because Satan will be full of wrath, knowing that his time is short.
Revelation 12:13, Satan, in his wrath, will begin to persecute Israel.
Revelation 12:14-16 is the inhabitants of Israel who will flee to the mountains when the abomination of desolation statue image is set up on the temple mount. Where they will be protected by God's power from any attempts by Satan to destroy them.
The time, times, half times is the second half of the 7 years.
Revelation 12:17, the remnant of the woman, i.e. them who did not flee without delay to the mountains, will be persecuted by Satan, until Jesus returns to rescue them.
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