This really grabbed me today!

[face2face]

No, I can’t see the issue.
In his earthly life he was born into King David’s family line. But He was not of the seed of a man.

 

[face2face]

19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

If you cannot see by what you read that all the fullness of God dwelt in Him before He was crucified, I can’t help you.

No that's not what I asked you - Is Colossians 2:9 speaking of the resurrected Lord?

 

[Heart2Soul]

What we need to understand about God is that which since before the earth was created had been maligned and slandered. That being His character. We need to get that right. And there are several lovingly held doctrines in Christianity, cherished by many, that utterly blaspheme, malign, and abuse the character of God. That we need to understand. That we need to fall on our knees and repent of and be forgiven for believing the lies of Satan over the revelations graciously given us in God's word.

Yes but I hope you aren't saying this in anger....I know He rules...He is in control...He is guarding over His sheep as a Good Shepherd would...He is our source and the only one to turn to....He is our Father!.
Who has yet to surrender, to fall on their knees and repent? I can't judge that...all I can do is keep loving as He loved...to live as He lived as much as possible, to share with others what He has done for me and by doing so brings hope to them and Glory to God.
We serve a Mighty God!
Hallelujah!!!

 

[face2face]

It's essential to believe that, otherwise He couldn't know what it was like to be truly tempted, and help is on our need.

You certainly don't fit the mould Brakelite!

1. God sends a god-man with a dual nature to declare His righteousness
2. God raises up a man in the line of sins flesh to declare His righteousness Romans 3:25

Number 1 is an unacceptable sacrifice because he is nothing like those he came to represent or save
Number 2 is the acceptable sacrifice

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Well, you said Jesus didn't have your nature.

"didn’t have a fallen, sin nature as we do"

Explain what you mean by fallen sin nature?

This is the written account of Adam's line. When God created man, he made him in the likeness of God.
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He created them male and female and blessed them. And when they were created, he called them "man. [1] "

Then came the fall. Sin entered.
Then,
When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth.

 

[face2face]

This is the written account of Adam's line. When God created man, he made him in the likeness of God.
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He created them male and female and blessed them. And when they were created, he called them "man. [1] "

Then came the fall. Sin entered.
Then,
When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth.

.....16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ. 17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I mean, you’re rolling your eyes but Jesus was not born of sperm from Joseph.

Adam was not born of sperm either.

 

[face2face]

I mean, you’re rolling your eyes but Jesus was not born of sperm from Joseph.

Adam was not born of sperm either.

Galatians 4:4

 

[face2face]

So, for those Trinitarians out there do you believe Jesus of Nazareth was always the Jesus of Nazareth as a man? I mean Jesus being born of a woman Galatians 4:4 means he was in the line of Adam, so if you believe Jesus of Nazareth pre-dates Adam, how can this be so? Or did the god-man manifest as Jesus of Nazareth and then return to Heaven as a different being?

 

[face2face]

Mark 10:6 any reason why Jesus would avoid claiming to be the Creator?

 

[Heart2Soul]

So, for those Trinitarians out there do you believe Jesus of Nazareth was always the Jesus of Nazareth even before he existed as a man? I mean Jesus being born of a woman Galatians 4:4 means he was in the line of Adam so if you believe Jesus of Nazareth pre-dates Adam how can this be so?

He existed before in His spiritual form and was to take on the flesh of a human to suffer as a human.
What you may not receive but I will say anyway...Adam first existed in the spirit and then God made a skin for him out of the dust of the earth.
Did God intend for his creation to fall by the sin of one man? What resulted from Adam's sin? The curse of sin and death...Adam perhaps would have remained even to this day (immortal). Jesus has defeated the curse of sin and death by conquering the enemy when he came to tempt Him. He has conquered the curse of sin and death for those who will receive Him as their Lord and Savior....

 

[Aunty Jane]

Wow...this is like watching a ping pong match with no referee....

The irony of what I am reading is screaming out on this thread.
What if the “counterfeit” Christians are the ones pointing fingers at the true Christians and being convinced that their own view has to be correct, and expecting Jesus to deal with these “antichrists” and ushering them into paradise with their “Lord”......well, not so fast.

“Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter. On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’ But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.’” (Matthew 7:21-23 NLT)

Do these ones sound like they believe that they have worshipped their God unacceptably? What a shock to realize that Jesus has never recognized them.....ever! Do they know that have been considered as ‘lawbreakers’ during their whole existence?

So it will indeed be an interesting time at the end of this age.....Jesus’ return as judge is immanent, and we already know Jesus said that “few” are on the road to life, which means that the majority are on “the road to destruction”. (Matthew 7:13-14) There are no other roads.

Since there are only “sheep and goats” in this "time of the end", who are these “sheep and goats”? Among the “goats” are the “many” (as opposed to the “few”) who identify as Christians, but who have not only deviated from the truth taught by Jesus, but who have failed to assist Christ’s “brothers” whilst they carried out the unpopular task of heralding the “good news of God’s Kingdom”......this is the same as being an unbeliever. (Matthew 25:31-33; 44-46 Matthew 24:14)

Will the ones Jesus rejects be individuals in among those multitudes of denominations who claim Jesus as their “Lord”? Or will the ones he accepts all be part of one denomination, who all basically agree with one Bible truth, (1 Corinthians 1:10) .....and who, like Jesus and his apostles are preaching an unpopular message?.....one that engenders hatred and even justifies persecution as it did in original Christianity?

Where is participation in "the great commission" that Jesus commanded before he left this earth? (Matthew 28:19-20) He said it had to be done "in all the inhabited earth" before "the end" came. The churches have been MIA most of that time.....and if they ever did preach, it was never about the Kingdom of God.....because most of them have no idea what the Kingdom is....why it was implemented....and what it accomplishes.

What did we see in the first century that mirrors our own time? Were the majority of the Jews accepting of Jesus as the Christ? Did the religious leaders of the day have a good thing to say about this 'heretic' who claimed to be their Messiah? Why did they reject him? Because he didn’t fit their own profile of what their Messiah should be.....i.e. in complete agreement with them. Jesus denounced the religious leaders as those deserving of “Gehenna” and said that they taught “the traditions of men” which invalidated the word of God......and yet they all had the same “word of God”.....what differed was interpretation.

So, for all of those screaming the loudest and being so confident about their “saved” status, as well as the “condemned” status of those who disagree with them.....
1 Corinthians 10:12 says....
“So let the one who thinks he stands watch out lest he fall.” (MOUNCE)

Who expects their confidence to be shattered?.....yet the majority will fail to measure up despite their claims to be genuine disciples.

We can allow the appointed judge to do what he is sent again to do.....i e. to determine who is a “sheep” and who is a “goat”. Only Jesus knows......we can have confidence that we are correct and everyone else is wrong.....but that doesn’t mean anything but a pathetic self-deception.

No one can judge another’s “saved” or “unsaved” status. The one shouting “Antichrist!” May very well be the epitome of what that means themselves.
Sobering...isn’t it....?

State your truth FWIW, but don't point fingers and accuse others of being the "antichrist".....because you may be in for an awful surprise....

 

[face2face]

He existed before in His spiritual form and was to take on the flesh of a human to suffer as a human.

So you would believe then that Jesus being in the line of Adam and Jesus being a Son of David (Romans 1:3) has no influence at all to the person of Christ today? You must believe Christ to be someone different then?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Galatians 4:4

Yes, He formed in the womb of a woman.

So you would believe then that Jesus being in the line of Adam and Jesus being a Son of David (Romans 1:3) has no influence at all to the person of Christ today? You must believe Christ to be someone different then?

have no idea what you’re saying. I said He was not born of the sperm of a man so did not inherit a fallen nature. This is why the apostle said He was the second Adam.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Mark 10:6 any reason why Jesus would avoid claiming to be the Creator?

Did He avoid it?

58 Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I am!”

8 Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father, and we will be satisfied.”
9 Jesus replied, “Have I been with you all this time, Philip, and yet you still don’t know who I am? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father! So why are you asking me to show him to you?

 

[Brakelite]

You certainly don't fit the mould Brakelite!

1. God sends a god-man with a dual nature to declare His righteousness
2. God raises up a man in the line of sins flesh to declare His righteousness Romans 3:25

Number 1 is an unacceptable sacrifice because he is nothing like those he came to represent or save
Number 2 is the acceptable sacrifice

Number one isn't entirely accurate. God-man isn't scriptural. Much like God the Son. However, as the true begotten Son of God, Creator of all things, He indeed is God, attested to by His own Father, and worthy of worship. But His wasn't just a human sacrifice either. A divine Being died at Calvary. I appreciate this sounds confusing. But the Father sent His Son to this world. He didn't create a son at Bethlehem. The Son, when He came, was fully divine, and fully human, but lived as a human. He laid aside HIs divine attributes of omnipresence, omniscience, omnipotence etc, and lived as a fully functioning man, with all the passions and inherited deficiencies after 4000 years of devolvement of the human species, the flesh nature, but lived in such close connection to His Father, filled with the holy Spirit from birth, sin was a complete abomination to Him. There was nothing in sin that He found tasteful, enticing, or attractive. He was certainly invited to, and at times I am sure His flesh nature was sorely tempted, as in the wilderness when He was desperately hungry, and knew He had the power to make fresh baked scones with blackberry jam and cream, but refused because He walked in the Spirit, and not in the flesh. The inherited weaknesses common to man, He placed under control at all times. He had them, but He had no propensities to sin, to sin or even contemplate sin, was as offensive to Him as it was to the Father. That is why when the sins of the world were placed upon Him at Calvary, and He voluntarily offered up His life a propitiation for mankind, Jesus feared that the sin on Him was so offensive to His Father, that He may never see Him again. Jesus died the second death. The weight and burden of sin was so great, He couldn't hope for the resurrection, despite telling others it would be so. He died as we would die if we "neglect such a great salvation". Without hope.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

The irony of what I am reading is screaming out on this thread.
What if the “counterfeit” Christians are the ones pointing fingers at the true Christians and being convinced that their own view has to be correct, and expecting Jesus to deal with these “antichrists” and ushering them into paradise with their “Lord”......well, not so fast.

I don’t think you understand what irony is.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

So, for all of those screaming the loudest and being so confident about their “saved” status, as well as the “condemned” status of those who disagree with them.....
1 Corinthians 10:12 says....
“So let the one who thinks he stands watch out lest he fall.” (MOUNCE)

Okay, now see, THATS irony!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

What if the “counterfeit” Christians are the ones pointing fingers at the true Christians

And…who would be the counterfeit Christian in your scenario…?

 

[face2face]

Number one isn't entirely accurate. God-man isn't scriptural. Much like God the Son. However, as the true begotten Son of God, Creator of all things, He indeed is God, attested to by His own Father, and worthy of worship. But His wasn't just a human sacrifice either. A divine Being died at Calvary. I appreciate this sounds confusing.

And if Jesus was divine from his birth - impossible

But the Father sent His Son to this world. He didn't create a son at Bethlehem. The Son, when He came, was fully divine, and fully human, but lived as a human. He laid aside HIs divine attributes of omnipresence, omniscience, omnipotence etc, and lived as a fully functioning man, with all the passions and inherited deficiencies after 4000 years of devolvement of the human species, the flesh nature, but lived in such close connection to His Father, filled with the holy Spirit from birth, sin was a complete abomination to Him. There was nothing in sin that He found tasteful, enticing, or attractive. He was certainly invited to, and at times I am sure His flesh nature was sorely tempted, as in the wilderness when He was desperately hungry, and knew He had the power to make fresh baked scones with blackberry jam and cream, but refused because He walked in the Spirit, and not in the flesh. The inherited weaknesses common to man, He placed under control at all times. He had them, but He had no propensities to sin, to sin or even contemplate sin, was as offensive to Him as it was to the Father. That is why when the sins of the world were placed upon Him at Calvary, and He voluntarily offered up His life a propitiation for mankind, Jesus feared that the sin on Him was so offensive to His Father, that He may never see Him again. Jesus died the second death. The weight and burden of sin was so great, He couldn't hope for the resurrection, despite telling others it would be so. He died as we would die if we "neglect such a great salvation". Without hope.

The only acceptable sacrifice was a body of flesh and blood prepared for crucifixion Galatians 5:24 - however this man born of a woman was the only person to ever fulfill these words:

“Sacrifice and offering you (Yahweh) did not desire, but a body (Jesus) you prepared for me. I have come—it is written of me in the scroll of the book—to do your will, O God.’

The obedience of a single man who chose God's will over his own fleshly will is the sacrifice Luke 22:42

A side note - The second death is reserved for the rejected at the Judgment Seat of Christ who have already died once to mortality - Revelation 20:6 - to say Jesus died the second death is horrendous as you would be implying he is permanently dead! Of course his mortal life did die once! But not twice - imagine that ...we would all be lost!!

I can see how you are trying to pull this all together but most of what you have written is not found in the Bible.