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I'm not sure where we got our wires crossed, but I'm not defending the ESV. It adopts a textual variant that makes absolutely no sense in the context of Luke 22:16. That was my argument.Pilgrimer said:Thank you for that insight Nomad but I'm afraid for the ESV text to be accurate it must include "ouketi" in the translation, which it does not. Ouketi is from "ou" (no, never) and "keti" (henceforth, hereafter). Therefore a correct rendering would be:
Luk 22:16 For I tell you I will "not henceforth, hereafter" eat it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God."
In Christ,
Pilgrimer
Sorry rstrats, If you think we are straying off the OP. I'm sure Pilgrimer and I can move our discussion to another thread. What would you like us to do?rstrats said:Someone new looking in may know of some writing as requested in the OP.
That is not word for word from the TR. Where did you get that? The verbs aren't parsed properly among other things. Not even close. There is no "in any way" in the Greek text.zeke25 said:Luke 22:15-16 word for word from the Textus Receptus:
And He said to them, With desire I desired this - passover to eat with you, before the Me to suffer. I say For to you that never in any way I eat of it, until when it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God.
I understood you weren't defending it and in fact that you disagree with it but you were simply pointing out that Zeke was appealing to it to support his teaching. I didn't mean to imply otherwise, I was just pointing out why it is incorrect.Nomad said:I'm not sure where we got our wires crossed, but I'm not defending the ESV. It adopts a textual variant that makes absolutely no sense in the context of Luke 22:16. That was my argument.
I misunderstood what you were saying. Please accept my apology.Pilgrimer said:I understood you weren't defending it and in fact that you disagree with it but you were simply pointing out that Zeke was appealing to it to support his teaching. I didn't mean to imply otherwise, I was just pointing out why it is incorrect.
In Christ,
Pilgrimer
Maybe I can make the counting of days a little easier, at least as far as they are concerned from a crucifixion week perspective, because the way people count is not uniform throughout the Bible. But this is a good rule of thumb.rstrats said:shturt678,
re: "Thank you again!"
I still don't know what you mean by that.
Also, there is nothing in the Tobit and Esther passages that precludes at least a portion of each one of the 3 daytimes and at least a portion of each one of the 3 nighttimes.
Thank you for your response again!rstrats said:shturt678,
re: "Thank you again!"
I still don't know what you mean by that.
Also, there is nothing in the Tobit and Esther passages that precludes at least a portion of each one of the 3 daytimes and at least a portion of each one of the 3 nighttimes.
In the Calendar of Scripture, which was in use by Christ and the Pharisees all the way back to Creation Week, every Friday of every month is always the 14th of that month. Beginning with Hillel II that calendar was corrupted. However, other calendar corruptions from other sources were being used along the way also. Hillel II and Rabbinic Judaism were the first corruption that directly affected the Calendar of Scripture, the other calendars were used by societies in history that thought they could make a better calendar than God. I have been hesitant in starting a thread about this calendar because I'm having a hard time copying and pasting charts into this forum.rstrats said:zeke25,
re: "...regarding your OP I do not believe that you will find a case as such in the Bible."
Any first century or before writing from non-scriptural sources will be fine.
zeke25,
re: "Since Passover is always Friday Abib 14..."
How can the days of the month always fall on the same day of the week?
zeke25 said:In the Calendar of Scripture, which was in use by Christ and the Pharisees all the way back to Creation Week, every Friday of every month is always the 14th of that month.
I hope you're happy you caught me in a typo. Not every Friday is the 14th. The 2nd Friday of every month is the 14th.Nomad said:1. How can every Friday of every month fall on the 14th of that month? There are at least 4 Fridays in every month.
2. What is the ancient source of this calendar and where can I see this calendar and its source?
3. Prove that this calendar was in use, as you claim, from creation week to the time of Christ.
Okay. It happens. No big deal.zeke25 said:I hope you're happy you caught me in a typo. Not every Friday is the 14th. The 2nd Friday of every month is the 14th.
So basically you're telling me that you have this lofty claim and proof is forthcoming. I look forward to it.The ancient source of this calendar is the Bible. You will not find it in a particular Scripture, it must be gleaned from the information given to us in the Scriptures. Looks like I will soon be starting a thread regarding it.
I would imagine that there is some calendars in antiquity that some have located that show a calendar formatted this way, but I haven't even looked for them, so I don't know where they are. I took my information from the Scriptures and from that which the Holy Ghost was showing me. Perhaps some on the internet - and they have very fancy websites - that also show this type of formatting for their calendars will have some information about ancient sources. After all, they must have gotten a clue from somewhere. They didn't get their clues from me because I don't have a website and haven't for almost 2 decades. I didn't develop this calendar until this last decade.
In the last year or so I visited some of their sites to see if I could find someone in agreement with my calendar. But I couldn't find anyone with a calendar with my formatting that didn't have other errors that precluded us from being in agreement. Mostly they do not understand when the New Moon Day is. And others, who did understand that much, concerned themselves with the Feasts and one in particular was totally whacked with ideas about some celestial body sucking water from Venus and then depositing it on Earth for Noah's flood. So, I figured I was wasting my time looking for calendar kindreds and gave up on it.
Besides, as an expert time keeper, I concern myself with things that do not even cross other people's minds. For example, there needs to be a starting point for each new day at sunrise. Our current system uses Greenwich, England and the International Date Line, to line every thing up. I figured God didn't have any special affinity for either of these manmade markers, so my calendar is based on sunrise in Jerusalem. After all God told us in the Scriptures that His eye is always on that place. That was good enough for me and the calendar He gave me.
Whenever the word Passover is used in Scripture it must be discerned from the context which part of Passover is being addressed or if both parts are being addressed.shturt678 said:Thank you folks for caring!
Only a head's up, the Jewish Passover always was on the 15th Friday (began Thursday eve of course) where the Lord's Supper was also on the 15th then. The ol' 1st star in the sky routine.
Old Jack