Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

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Why would that be impossible? The wrath of God is over at the 7th trumpet.


The wrath of God starts at the 7th trump not ends. The scripture is clear:

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

It's the 7th trump in which the wrath comes, and this is when Christ will destroy those who destroyed the Earth. Clearly wrath is not ending but starting.



Barnes:

And thy wrath is come - That is, the time when thou wilt punish them for all that they have done in opposition to thee, and when the wicked shall be cut off. There will be, in the setting up of the kingdom of God, some manifestation of his wrath against the powers that opposed it; or something that will show his purpose to destroy his enemies, and to judge the wicked.
 

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The wrath of God starts at the 7th trump not ends. The scripture is clear:

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

It's the 7th trump in which the wrath comes, and this is when Christ will destroy those who destroyed the Earth. Clearly wrath is not ending but starting.



Barnes:

And thy wrath is come - That is, the time when thou wilt punish them for all that they have done in opposition to thee, and when the wicked shall be cut off. There will be, in the setting up of the kingdom of God, some manifestation of his wrath against the powers that opposed it; or something that will show his purpose to destroy his enemies, and to judge the wicked.
The wrath is not done over tea. It goes on awhile, and the most sever part is at the end. The tribulation is wrath, the vials are the culmination of that wrath poured out, and when Jesus returns, He has vengeance. There is no need to try and limit all wrath to after the seventh trumpet. There is plenty to go around.
 

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The wrath is not done over tea. It goes on awhile, and the most sever part is at the end. The tribulation is wrath, the vials are the culmination of that wrath poured out, and when Jesus returns, He has vengeance. There is no need to try and limit all wrath to after the seventh trumpet. There is plenty to go around.


The wrath of satan is the Great Tribulation. The 7th trump is when God's wrath begins and it continues through the vials that pour the day of the second coming. God's wrath ends once the Millennium begins and will happen again when Jerusalem is surrounded after satan is released from the pit.
 

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The wrath of satan is the Great Tribulation. The 7th trump is when God's wrath begins and it continues through the vials that pour the day of the second coming.
True, Satan is angry in that time. The vials are in that time also, and are the wrath of God.

Rev 14:8 I saw in heaven another great and marvelous sign: seven angels with the seven last plagues—last, because with them God's wrath is completed

God's wrath ends once the Millennium begins and will happen again when Jerusalem is surrounded after satan is released from the pit.
Yes it is over by the time the 1000 years start.
 

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True, Satan is angry in that time.

Sure but his ability to persecute Christians ends at the 7th trump. He still will be angry and have wrath but he cannot use it against God's people any more. The last time he even tries is after his release and that is a complete failure.
 

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Sure but his ability to persecute Christians ends at the 7th trump. He still will be angry and have wrath but he cannot use it against God's people any more. The last time he even tries is after his release and that is a complete failure.
The main thing is that it is the wrath of God in the tribulation. God allowing Satan to do his thing is part of that.
 

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The main thing is that it is the wrath of God in the tribulation. God allowing Satan to do his thing is part of that.


God's wrath is not found in the Great Tribulation. God allows satan to have his short time of wrath, and then God's divine wrath follows that as vengeance. There is a reason why holy scripture states God's wrath comes at the 7th trump.
 

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God's wrath is not found in the Great Tribulation. God allows satan to have his short time of wrath, and then God's divine wrath follows that as vengeance. There is a reason why holy scripture states God's wrath comes at the 7th trump.
If the vials are in the Tribulation then the wrath is found there. Knowing that God sends angels to pour out heavy judgments in the end also tells us that we are not appointed to wrath. What is stated as I posted was that the vials were the completion of the wrath. Not the only wrath.

Rev 14:8 I saw in heaven another great and marvelous sign: seven angels with the seven last plagues—last, because with them God's wrath is completed
 

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If the vials are in the Tribulation then the wrath is found there.


They are poured after the Great Tribulation is over.

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Here is clearly states God's wrath has come after the 7th trump sounds. Clearly God's wrath hadn't been coming for a long time before this or else the statement would be meaningless.



Another reason why the bowls/vials are part of the 7th trump:



Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.


We see these same things when the last one is poured:



Rev 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
Rev 16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
Rev 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
Rev 16:20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
Rev 16:21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

The exact same things and both ending with a great hail storm:

Rev 11 7th trump "there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail"
Rev 16 "there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake" "a great hail out of heaven"

Same exact things because it's the same time frame. Keep in mind Revelation is not chronological in nature. It jumps around and re-visits the same time frame like here.


Rev 15:1 And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.


Not to mention the plagues are last, coinciding with the last trump.



The vials are actually poured out in the time frame of these verses.

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Rev 11:19 *And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament:


Here is the same timing of those verses:

Rev 15:5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:
Rev 15:6 And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.
Rev 15:7 And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever.
Rev 15:8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.

Here we see the temple opened in both passages and both speaking of the wrath of God. 7th trump: and thy wrath is come Rev 15: vials full of the wrath of God. Same timeframe.
 

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The main thing is that it is the wrath of God in the tribulation. God allowing Satan to do his thing is part of that.

The ending of this world is all about separating the divided, with and without God.

In brief -
Paramount - a Natural man MUST die in belief, to be again born of God.
Paramount - men OF the World promote, keep the natural flesh, (at all costs) alive in allegiance to men, and eliminate those against, and then eliminate those with voice allegiance, but useless as slave workers.

Wrath reigning down from Heaven, is in increments, with increase in severity.
First, separation of those With the Lord God, ie rapture, above face of the earth, same as in Noah’s day.

*The First wrath down from Heaven, Lambs anger, Lambs Wrath, (Seals) believers in God, but not Christ Jesus.
Devil’s presence and his power allowed, revealed.
* (Trumps) Combination ...
Gods Two witnesses Jerusalem, 144,000 Mt Zion...God Saving Israel....
Devils Wrath - anger against those rejecting him.

*** It’s the conundrum...
~Devil puffed up..for Israel men’s lives Dying...appears Victory for devil
~Yet Israel’s men’s natural lives Dying, are natural body’s dying IN Salvation, prepared for eternal Life WITH God.

*God People’s body’s dead, (souls with God), Devil wielding power, (over broken hearted men, world chaotic, lands, buildings, a mess)...Devil’s opportunity, to step up as worlds’ (downtrodden, desperate) hope for “peace and safety and then “pseudo god ruling”.
* Then comes God’s increased WRATH, (vials), upon all the world, expressly the Divided, (small remnant bodily alive with God) Separated from God, occupying the world.
* Oops. Devils people die, Devil chained.

* The Lord claims His inheritance, (Land promised to Abraham), His Kingdom, His saints, occupy His Kingdom.
* (mortal) Remnant begins establishing, clans, leaders, cities, nations, outside of the Lords Kingdom. Leaders, have yearly pilgrimage to the Lords Kingdom.
* Pilgrimage effective for awhile....Generations in Nations increase in population and wealth and power, and “leaders”, once again, fall away from Pilgrimages and instruction and teaching God.
Nations “again”, strife of nations against Nations, stirring turmoil.
(Course of 1,000 years)

* Satan loosed...What was occurs again...Wayward nations having deflected From Godly instruction...is again the Devils playground, easy picken’s for ungodly men to Lend their ears to the Devil’s ploys.
* Nations having been established over the course of the 1,000 years of the Lords reign in His Kingdom....And Satan busy instigating the Nations in his favor......Begins the siege of the Nations coming Against the Lords Kingdom....on LAND....And a Spiritual Battle Holy and Demonic Angels....in the AIR.

* The Lords TWO edged Sword...Word out of His Mouth, sufficient for cutting asunder, humans and spirits.... completing the separation of the divided against God.

* Each Prophetic STEP historically and today, IS all about Preparing the the ever lasting Order and Way of The Lord God Almighty, to Forever Be with His (chosen, who have chosen Him) People In Peace, Harmony, Love, Beauty.

Glory to God,
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Rev 6 (SEALS begin being opened)

Rev 6: 16-17 (men recognize WRATH OF LAMB is come)

Rev 8 (TRUMPS prepared, warning, WOES, Trumps begin sounding)

Rev 11: 7th TRUMP

Rev 12: DEVILS WRATH

Rev 16: GODS WRATH
Rev 16: VIALS prepared poured out 1- last.

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Rev 6.......WRATH of LAMB
Rev 12.....DEVILS WRATH
Rev 16.....GODS WRATH

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Wrath that comes down from Heaven, is always Spiritual Forces, Gods Wrath instigated and allowed, stirred up BECAUSE of Gods ANGER.

Wrath of the Lamb, for eons of men rejecting the Lord.
Wrath of the Devil, for eons of men rejecting the Devil.
Wrath of God, for eons of men rejecting God.

Every “rejector” knows who he is, who he Stands With, who he Stands Against.

The Ends of Day Tribulation, IS expressly to SEPARATE the DIVIDED, with and without God.....men and angels.

Not your cup of tea, Lend an ear to Gods “escape the Wrath” plan. :)

Glory to God,
Taken
 

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The wrath is not done over tea. It goes on awhile, and the most sever part is at the end. The tribulation is wrath, the vials are the culmination of that wrath poured out, and when Jesus returns, He has vengeance. There is no need to try and limit all wrath to after the seventh trumpet. There is plenty to go around.
The tribulation is not wrath. The tribulation is over at the 6th seal and then the wrath of God begins after the 7th seal is opened. Wrath begins at the first trumpet and ends with the 7th trumpet when the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord.

The word tell you IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION the sun and moon give no light and the stars fall from heaven. That happens at the 6th seal and then wrath begins.
 

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The wrath of God starts at the 7th trump not ends. The scripture is clear:

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

It's the 7th trump in which the wrath comes, and this is when Christ will destroy those who destroyed the Earth. Clearly wrath is not ending but starting.



Barnes:

And thy wrath is come - That is, the time when thou wilt punish them for all that they have done in opposition to thee, and when the wicked shall be cut off. There will be, in the setting up of the kingdom of God, some manifestation of his wrath against the powers that opposed it; or something that will show his purpose to destroy his enemies, and to judge the wicked.

Wrath is over at the 7th trumpet. The vials are just a different view of things that happen during the wrath of God.

Rev 10
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

You will never understand Revelation until you quit changing the order of the seals. They are 1 thru seven for a reason and they lineup with what Jesus tells us in Matthew 24. The seals are the 70th week of Daniel
 

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They are poured after the Great Tribulation is over.

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Here is clearly states God's wrath has come after the 7th trump sounds. Clearly God's wrath hadn't been coming for a long time before this or else the statement would be meaningless.
God clearly has the greatest wrath just before and after He comes. Obviously, the final wrath that ends man's rule here is the greatest. As pointed out, the vials were the completion of His wrath.


Another reason why the bowls/vials are part of the 7th trump:

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.


We see these same things when the last one is poured:
Right, chapter 11 spans the tribulation that ends with Jesus returning and taking over. That does not happen while the witnesses the chapter is about are prophesying. That happens after He raises them from the dead.
Rev 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
Rev 16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
Rev 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
Rev 16:20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
Rev 16:21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

The exact same things and both ending with a great hail storm:
Chapter 16 covers a lot as well. Including the time before the river is even dried up for the armies to pass. Of course it ends with the events that happen at the end.
Rev 11 7th trump "there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail"
Rev 16 "there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake" "a great hail out of heaven"

Same exact things because it's the same time frame. Keep in mind Revelation is not chronological in nature. It jumps around and re-visits the same time frame like here.
It does not seem like jumping to me. If chapter 10 for example talks of a mystery that will be revealed, and then lets us know plenty is yet to happen, we can knoow that whatever mystery it was involved an earlier part of the tribulation. Could that mystery be the rapture?!

Rev 15:1 And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.


Not to mention the plagues are last, coinciding with the last trump.
Of course the completion of the wrath is the last bit. Basically, although we might call the vengeance that happens when Jesus returns 'wrath' also, the vials before that destroy the world powers completely.

The vials are actually poured out in the time frame of these verses.

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Rev 11:19 *And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament:
As mentioned, when the vials are pored out the Euphrates is not even dried up yet. So there has to be time for armies to cross the river and get to Israel where Jesus wipes them all out. That cannot be after He returns.



Here is the same timing of those verses:

Rev 15:5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:
Rev 15:6 And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.
Rev 15:7 And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever.
Rev 15:8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.

Here we see the temple opened in both passages and both speaking of the wrath of God. 7th trump: and thy wrath is come Rev 15: vials full of the wrath of God. Same timeframe.
So the angels come through the opening to judge earth. At that time we see a scene in heaven with a multitude of folks that were killed in and came out of the Tribulation. Earlier in the chapter John saw heaven opened. Just because an opening appears does not mean all is done!
 

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The ending of this world is all about separating the divided, with and without God.

In brief -
Paramount - a Natural man MUST die in belief, to be again born of God.
Paramount - men OF the World promote, keep the natural flesh, (at all costs) alive in allegiance to men, and eliminate those against, and then eliminate those with voice allegiance, but useless as slave workers.

Wrath reigning down from Heaven, is in increments, with increase in severity.
First, separation of those With the Lord God, ie rapture, above face of the earth, same as in Noah’s day.

*The First wrath down from Heaven, Lambs anger, Lambs Wrath, (Seals) believers in God, but not Christ Jesus.
Devil’s presence and his power allowed, revealed.
* (Trumps) Combination ...
Gods Two witnesses Jerusalem, 144,000 Mt Zion...God Saving Israel....
Devils Wrath - anger against those rejecting him.

*** It’s the conundrum...
~Devil puffed up..for Israel men’s lives Dying...appears Victory for devil
~Yet Israel’s men’s natural lives Dying, are natural body’s dying IN Salvation, prepared for eternal Life WITH God.

*God People’s body’s dead, (souls with God), Devil wielding power, (over broken hearted men, world chaotic, lands, buildings, a mess)...Devil’s opportunity, to step up as worlds’ (downtrodden, desperate) hope for “peace and safety and then “pseudo god ruling”.
* Then comes God’s increased WRATH, (vials), upon all the world, expressly the Divided, (small remnant bodily alive with God) Separated from God, occupying the world.
* Oops. Devils people die, Devil chained.

* The Lord claims His inheritance, (Land promised to Abraham), His Kingdom, His saints, occupy His Kingdom.
* (mortal) Remnant begins establishing, clans, leaders, cities, nations, outside of the Lords Kingdom. Leaders, have yearly pilgrimage to the Lords Kingdom.
* Pilgrimage effective for awhile....Generations in Nations increase in population and wealth and power, and “leaders”, once again, fall away from Pilgrimages and instruction and teaching God.
Nations “again”, strife of nations against Nations, stirring turmoil.
(Course of 1,000 years)

* Satan loosed...What was occurs again...Wayward nations having deflected From Godly instruction...is again the Devils playground, easy picken’s for ungodly men to Lend their ears to the Devil’s ploys.
* Nations having been established over the course of the 1,000 years of the Lords reign in His Kingdom....And Satan busy instigating the Nations in his favor......Begins the siege of the Nations coming Against the Lords Kingdom....on LAND....And a Spiritual Battle Holy and Demonic Angels....in the AIR.

* The Lords TWO edged Sword...Word out of His Mouth, sufficient for cutting asunder, humans and spirits.... completing the separation of the divided against God.

* Each Prophetic STEP historically and today, IS all about Preparing the the ever lasting Order and Way of The Lord God Almighty, to Forever Be with His (chosen, who have chosen Him) People In Peace, Harmony, Love, Beauty.

Glory to God,
Taken
So your point is..?
 

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I see. That way you have nothing you need to explain or defend I guess.

I was talking about the end days, same as the thread was going.
No questions were asked. No explaining or defending necessary.
But I do post from my phone, and that is a challenge, so if my post was of no interest to you. No issue.
 

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The tribulation is not wrath.
All you are doing is stating an opinion that the vials are not poured out at the end of the tribulation. Because we KNOW they are the completion of His wrath. Prove it.

The tribulation is over at the 6th seal and then the wrath of God begins after the 7th seal is opened.
So what? So are the trumpets and vials!

Wrath begins at the first trumpet and ends with the 7th trumpet when the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord.
The seals showed the whole time that included trumpets and vials.
The word tell you IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION the sun and moon give no light and the stars fall from heaven. That happens at the 6th seal and then wrath begins.
No news there. Of course. So?
 

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I was talking about the end days, same as the thread was going.
No questions were asked. No explaining or defending necessary.
But I do post from my phone, and that is a challenge, so if my post was of no interest to you. No issue.
OK thanks, seems like you have the gist of things
 
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