Tongues ( 'sign' gifts ) did/did not cease?

[David in NJ]

That seems a little absurd to say... There are many different ways people see the scriptures; no one can help that. There is nothing wrong with what was stated either; looking at it in a certain way.

I have yet to see someone just start speaking a language to another group of people in my own life beside someone who knows the language.

Therefore; when the Holy Spirit dropped; I do believe the narrative written about Peter and his proclamation that the Last Days were upon them. Also they were given the ability to speak other languages so that the narrative of the Gospel could continue forward, by Paul, who proclaimed that he reached the whole world.



At least, it was presented to the people at Colossia, that the Good News was preached to them, and all the world.

So what does on believe about scripture, and traditions of subjects that been around for 1000s of years?

What is true? What makes sense, and What does not make sense?

Up to the individual; to seek God in faith; and be lead by the spirit - and supposedly once one finds truth, they are set free.



Truth in what I believe is that; Jesus has came back and restored everything that needed to be done. Tongues; in a sense can be catagorized as the Langauge of the World, and Language of the Heavenly (Spirit lead subjects to talk about God). That as a subject matter is plausible;

When you speak to other believers; they understand what you are saying as they are believers and perhaps you share the word with each other and learn from one another as you go along in life, edifying, and having love for God and love for ones neighbor.

#1 - Hebrews 6:18 That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

#2 - Romans 10:17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

#3 - Matthew 4:4 Jesus said "It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ”

Start Living by Believing every word of God and your faith will increase and so will your love for God.

 

[rockytopva]

What part of “forbid not” are you people not understanding?

Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. - 1 Corinthians 14:39

 

[MatthewG]

To me it all revolves around; subjecting oneself to be moved by the spirit and to encourage other people who may have very little faith, and need the word of God to help them build up on their faith as they go along their way. In the end it is about loving God and loving others, @David in NJ.

Tongues, Prophecy - to me it happens when someone is lead by the spirit and one understands the other in encouragement.

Not sure how everyone else may see or look at the topic of tounges/prophecy (encouragement), just seems part of the Christian life, holding on to the Lord Jesus Christ, who gets us to God.

 

[MatthewG]

Another great question to go along with this is "What about all the healings Jesus had told his disciples to go end up and do in his time", but today we can not do such things, and that is why I do see signs as already having been done though many may disagree. Thank you for anyone who came by to read what was written here, cause it is a curious question. Why can't we still today heal the blind like they did? It is Jesus who heals the eye of the heart (mind/will/emotion), and all one can do is share him as the solution.

 

[St. SteVen]

That's a mystery to me. I don't really understand it but it is fascinating.

Personally, I think it is mostly about culture shock.
Someone attends a tongues-speaking church for the first time
and runs out the door, never to return. What happened?

There were all sorts of things going on there that they never stuck around to discover.
All they know is that "It was of the devil.", because it never happened in the church they grew up in.

 

[Bob Estey]

Do you understand what the Baptism with the Holy Spirit is about?
It is a subsequent experience to a renewed relationship with God. ("salvation")

Jesus said this to the Apostles. (who already had a renewed relationship with God)
Differentiating water baptism from Spirit baptism.

Acts 1:5 NIV
For John baptized with[a] water, but in a few days you will be baptized with[b] the Holy Spirit.”

All I want to do is love the Lord with all my heart, mind, and soul, and love my neighbor as myself.

 

[Bob Estey]

How are tongues different than the parables spoken by Jesus when he was walking as a man in the flesh?

Mt 13:10	And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
Mt 13:11	He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Do not some or even many people speak effectively in parables [as the Spirit giveth utterance] to others without speaking in [unknown] tongues?

Parables are instructive. If you speak in French, and no one in the room understands French, then nothing is learned.

 

[Bob Estey]

So you speak in tongues and can tell the difference between the real gibberish and the fake gibberish?

I know that Paul said not to speak in tongues if no one present can interpret.

 

[St. SteVen]

All I want to do is love the Lord with all my heart, mind, and soul, and love my neighbor as myself.

Nothing wrong with that.

Does that mean you don't WANT to understand what the Baptism with the Holy Spirit is about?
Perhaps you believe that "knowledge requires action"? So, stay in the safety of shallow waters?

Like Peter, the Lord has called some of us to step out of the boat and walk.

Can you really "love the Lord" with "all your mind" if you don't understand Jesus' command?
Or the promise unveiled at Pentecost? Prophesied of old?

Acts 2:39 NIV
The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—
for all whom the Lord our God will call.”

Acts 2:16-18 NIV
... this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:
17 “‘In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.
18 Even on my servants, both men and women,
I will pour out my Spirit in those days,
and they will prophesy.

 

[DJT_47]

Correct
Currently you are under "untruth" in your unbelief of "it is written" in the Holy Scriptures, concerning 1 Corinthians.

Explain. I understand 1 cor perfectly and correctly

 

[1stCenturyLady]

@MatthewG You quoted:
6 When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard their own language being spoken.
7 Utterly amazed, they asked: “Aren’t all these who are speaking Galileans? 8 Then how is it that each of us hears them in our native language?

Matthew picture a choir that is singing in tongues. To the normal ear it sounds like gibberish. But to the devout Jews - EACH of us HEARS THE CHOIR singing in our native language.

cc: @Bob Estey

Once you read the word "them" correctly according to 1 Corinthians 14:2, you'll never read it incorrectly again. The natural man cannot understand tongues. These devout Jews HEARD them supernaturally. Do you know by what gift the Holy Spirit gave them to draw them to Christ by HEARING?

Bob, you will be answering your post #128

 

[Bob Estey]

@MatthewG You quoted:
6 When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard their own language being spoken.
7 Utterly amazed, they asked: “Aren’t all these who are speaking Galileans? 8 Then how is it that each of us hears them in our native language?

Matthew picture a choir that is singing in tongues. To the normal ear it sounds like gibberish. But to the devout Jews - EACH of us HEARS THE CHOIR singing in our native language.

cc: @Bob Estey

Once you read the word "them" correctly according to 1 Corinthians 14:2, you'll never read it incorrectly again. The natural man cannot understand tongues. These devout Jews HEARD them supernaturally. Do you know by what gift the Holy Spirit gave them to draw them to Christ by HEARING?

Bob, you will be answering your post #128

The natural man can't understand tongues? Do you remember Pentecost?

 

[1stCenturyLady]

The natural man can't understand tongues? Do you remember Pentecost?

Bob, how did you not see it. The devout Jews received a SUPERNATURAL GIFT TO DRAW THEM TO CHRIST. IT IS CALLED INTERPRETATION OF TONGUES. Now that I've told you, now go back and read it again. Scripture and stories cannot contradict Scripture. 1 Corinthians 14:2

2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries.

So if you've read this verse WHY would you even consider that in Acts 2 those Jews could understand when you have this verse contradicting you?

 

[Bob Estey]

Bob, how did you not see it. The devout Jews received a SUPERNATURAL GIFT TO DRAW THEM TO CHRIST. IT IS CALLED INTERPRETATION OF TONGUES. Now that I've told you, now go back and read it again. Scripture and stories cannot contradict Scripture. 1 Corinthians 14:2

2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries.

So if you've read this verse WHY would you even consider that in Acts 2 those Jews could understand when you have this verse contradicting you?

But remember we are not to speak in tongues during assembly if no one is there to interpret what we say.

 

[MatthewG]

Maybe you are right CenturyLady. I dont know.

Tongues in my opinion doesn't make a person a Christian, it is the love that people will know people are disciples of Christ.

So I don't care all that much on the topic, though have talked about it, thank you for your time to talk to me about it.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

But remember we are not to speak in tongues during assembly if no one is there to interpret what we say.

Bob, you're killing me!

Let's try this again.
6 When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one HEARD their own language being spoken.
7 Utterly amazed, they asked: “Aren’t all these who are speaking Galileans? 8 Then how is it that each of us HEARS them in our native language?

6 When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one INTERPRETS their own language being spoken.
7 Utterly amazed, they asked: “Aren’t all these who are speaking Galileans? 8 Then how is it that each of us INTERPRETS them in our native language?

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Maybe you are right CenturyLady. I dont know.

Tongues in my opinion doesn't make a person a Christian, it is the love that people will know people are disciples of Christ.

So I don't care all that much on the topic, though have talked about it, thank you for your time to talk to me about it.

Tongues is NOT the evidence of being filled with the Spirit. The evidence is freedom from sin. However, everyone who IS filled with the Spirit CAN speak in tongues among other things according to Mark 16:16-18. But some abhor even the thought of God's gift and wouldn't be caught dead speaking in tongues. I wonder how God feels about that?

 

[David in NJ]

Bob, how did you not see it. The devout Jews received a SUPERNATURAL GIFT TO DRAW THEM TO CHRIST. IT IS CALLED INTERPRETATION OF TONGUES. Now that I've told you, now go back and read it again. Scripture and stories cannot contradict Scripture. 1 Corinthians 14:2

2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries.

So if you've read this verse WHY would you even consider that in Acts 2 those Jews could understand when you have this verse contradicting you?

Acts ch2 the Apostles were not speaking in foreign known languages.

 

[David in NJ]

Explain. I understand 1 cor perfectly and correctly

If you understood 1 Corinthians perfectly and correctly then you would not be contradicting and even opposing the words written in it.

When we say that we "perfectly and correctly" understand Holy Scripture then that means we can only AGREE not contradict.

Would you not agree?

 

[David in NJ]

All I want to do is love the Lord with all my heart, mind, and soul, and love my neighbor as myself.

Brother Bob,

Continue to REST in "it is written" and pray and ask whenever you may be uncertain.

CLUE - If Bible preachers/teachers are contradicting God's words you should always RETURN to what God has said over man's words.

Peace