What in the world do people living 2000 years ago have to do with those alive and remain at this post? Who is claiming those dead since Abel are the alive and remain to be raptured at the Second Coming? They are already in Paradise. They do not need raptured. Believe it or not, they got to Paradise pre-trib. Although many were martyred coming out of great tribulation like those during the Jewish and Roman persecutions or the Spanish Inquisition. Those were times of tribulation the living church did go through and came out post trib as time marches on.
Maybe that's the silly idea you were referring to regarding the 1st century. That was when Lord Jesus gave His Olivet discourse to His Church while upon the Mount of Olives with His disciples. In that He was giving the Signs of the end of this world, His future coming and gathering of His Church. That is what that 1st century teaching has to do with us about 2,000 years later!!! Too bad you just cast that off, showing you don't listen to Jesus Christ in His Word. If you did understand it, then you would understand what I've shown, because I stay with what He taught there while studying His Revelation. He only gave 7 main Signs in His Olivet discourse, and they are Signs in His Revelation, and the order revealed with Revelation 6.
I never said the church was not sealed. I was asking why you refuse to see the church is already sealed by the Cross, and already gone, and not part of the 144k who will be sealed after the Second Coming.
That part above I underlined is your problem with listening to men's doctrines instead to keeping God's Word. There is NO Scripture showing the Church is raptured prior to the "great tribulation". That idea strictly is from men who created that idea, who you follow religiously I might add. All... of the 144,000 represent the seed of Israel that are SEALED prior... to the tribulation and represent believing Israelites as part of Christ's Church! It's stupid to deny there are no Israelite believers on Christ Jesus.
Then the "great multitude" of Revelation 7:9 forward represents the believing Gentiles that are 'sealed' with God's Seal. The idea of their having come out of great tribulation with having washed their robes in the Blood of The Lamb means they suffered through... it, and overcame in Christ Jesus! And in order to do that, the believer MUST have God's Seal in order to prevent from being deceived by the false-Messiah that comes first. If you do not understand this, then it likely means you are NOT yet sealed with God's Seal in order to escape the "hour of temptation", which is not about being raptured, but is about not being subject to the "strong delusion" of that coming future false-Messiah.
Yes the Second Coming is at the 6th Seal as you claim. The issue is the 6th Seal happens before the 7th Seal. The 7th Seal happens before the 1st Trumpet. How can you claim the 7th Seal happens after the 1st Trumpet?
I really have no need of saying it is. It should be that obvious that the 6th Seal events are about the day of Christ's one-time return as written. Did you not know that in Zechariah 9:9-10 there are ONLY TWO comings of Christ shown, and not three?
And no, the issue is NOT that the 6th Seal happens prior to the 7th Seal. The 7th Seal is showing completeness with that half hour of silence, serving as a type of Selah (musical rest) per the Psalms.
No, nor does the 7th Seal happen prior to the 1st trumpet. You are only going by the order John was given the events, and not actually concentrating on the EVENT itself. Since the 6th Seal reveals the day of Christ's coming and His cup of wrath upon the wicked, that is the LAST DAY of this world, the END, period, Selah.
With the 7 Trumpets, they are about the same order as the 6 Seals of Revelation 6, just another parallel view. Same thing with the 7 Vials.
This is why the 7th Trumpet and 7th Vial both also show the time of God's cup of wrath upon the wicked, just like the 6th Seal does.
Of course the 144k are sealed, even before the 7th Seal is opened. The 7th Seal is opened before the 1st Trumpet sounds, so the 144k are sealed and protected during all the Trumpets and all 7 Thunders.
No, the 1st Trumpet does not happen then. Proof? Because when the 7th seal happens, it means it's all over. How? Because the 5th-6th Trumpet EVENTS reveal the "great tribulation" time, and the 7th Trumpet EVENTS the day of Jesus' return and cup of His wrath poured out, i.e., the last day of this world.
Like I said, you are NOT UNDERSTANDING THE EVENTS, but are wrongly focused upon the number order of the seals, trumpets, and vials, and the order John was shown them. Understand the EVENTS first, and then you will understand the proper number order.
Jesus comes on 777.
The devil comes on 666.
I did not say this multitude in heaven between the 6th and 7th Seals is only those raptured. Why would any one make that nonsensical claim? I said it was the entire church from all time raptured, completed, and glorified.
The 144,000 of Revelation 7 are NOT being shown raptured. The whole Chapter is about the Sealing of Christ's Church. The 144,000 simply represent those of the literal seed of Israel that are sealed in prep for the great tribulation.
As I have said before, the "great multitude" represents the Gentiles that are 'sealed' in prep for the great tribulation, even though it says nothing about their sealing. Only by understanding what God's seal (by The Holy Spirit) represents do we know they are sealed too, and by being shown they are gathered by Christ in final. Many of those latter Revelation 7 verses are showing their being with Jesus during in His future Millennial reign.
So really, the whole Revelation 7 chapter is about Christ's faithful Church 'sealed' to go through the great tribulation, and overcome in Jesus Christ. Thus man's false tribulation saints idea that says Jews convert to Jesus 'during'... the great tribulation, is simply a falsehood devised by the pre-trib rapture school in attempt to pump up their false pre-trib rapture doctrine.
There are several Old Testament Scriptures by God's prophets that mention the seed of Israel along with saved Gentiles, which is a pointer to Christ's Church. Isaiah 54:3 is one of them.
You don't even put the raptured saints in there. You place them in heaven after the 6 vials, years later. You have one group after the 6th Seal, and then the "living on earth group" years later.
Then you declare all views heretical except your view that splits the church into two different segments.
Man, that sure is some wild ideas!
"Years later"? Do you even know what you're saying?
Your heeding men's doctrines so long has got you totally confused, especially when you hear the Truth in God's Word presented to you!
1. you don't have a clue about Heaven regarding Christ's coming.
2. 1 Thessalonians 4 teaches TWO GROUPS of saints being gathered by Christ, a.) those asleep that Jesus brings with Him, and b.) those still alive on earth that are "caught up" to Him.
3. The 1 Thessalonians 4 events happen on the LAST DAY OF THIS WORLD. Apostle Paul CONTINUED in 1 Thessalonians 5 with the TIMING of Christ's coming on the "day of the Lord".
4. The "day of the Lord" ONLY happens on the LAST DAY, FOR IT IS ABOUT GOD'S DESTRUCTION upon the wicked, ending this present world.
5. IMPOSSIBLE for any tribulation by the wicked to occur when THE DAY OF THE LORD HAPPENS TO END THIS WORLD.
6. The 7th Trumpet is the "last trump" of Apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians 15. It is the day of the resurrection.
7. The events on the 6th Trumpet is about the time of "great tribulation".
8. The events on the 5th Trumpet is about events in prep for the "great tribulation".
9. The 7th Vial is when the battle of Armageddon happens, the last day of this world when Jesus return.
10. The Zechariah 14:1-4 verses are about the battle of Armageddon on the last day of this world with Jesus' future return to the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem.
11. Acts 1 revealed by the two angels that appeared to Christ's Apostles, said Jesus would return "in like manner" as they saw Him ascend into Heaven. Thus it's a no brainer that Zechariah 14 reveals Jesus's feet touching down upon the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem when He comes.
12. Per Zechariah 14, Jesus' feet touch down upon the Mount of Olives, on earth, ON THE DAY OF THE LORD, as written there.
13. Again, THE DAY OF THE LORD means the LAST DAY of this present world.