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First thanks for the reply. second, we know the the Lord Jesus is the Holy Spirit because he told us so himself. listen, John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you".
GG, did you not hear? read verse 18 again, how plain can one get.
that trinity symbol is a part of the delusion. God name is JESUS who is Spirit, the creator, LORD who came in flesh Lord. for Jesus is both "LORD" and "Lord". once more, Deuteronomy 10:17 "For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward"
understand, God is "LORD", and "Lord". LORD in Spirit, and Lord in flesh.
understand GG, you have been blinded. your mind has blinders on it. you must re-new your mind.
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so until you read the bible yourself there is nothing I can do.
PICJAG.
Let's clear up some things, ONE at a TIME. Father is "LORD" all cap, and the Son, "Lord". same person, let's see.
well let the bible answer this question ONE "Lord" and ONE "LORD". scripture, Deuteronomy 10:17 "For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward". HERE CLEAR WITHOUT ANY DOUBT "GOD" IS LORD AND Lord. case closed.
believe this John 14:1.
PICJAG.
this is the delusion we're talking about. first, Wikipedia is not a Good source on the Godhead, but the bible is the final authority.
Well let us educate you. all trinity believer listen up. the Lord Jesus is the holy Spirit, the Comforter.It is so ambiguous that scholars with a knowledge of the Greek and biblical interpretation have grappled with what coming Jesus is referring to. It is a futuristic present tense.
Until you've grappled with these 3 possible meanings of 'I will come to you', I will not fall for your claim: 'How plain can one get
- Is it the coming at the Parousia (second coming) as is Jn 14:3?
- Jesus' resurrection (as in John 20:19, 26);
- The coming of the Holy Spirit (John 14:16-17, 25-26)
Three Gods.How could Jesus be the Holy Spirit if He is JESUS?
Let me post that image for you again.
You should study it carefully.
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As you can see,
THE SON IS NOT the Holy Spirit
THE SON IS NOT the Father
He IS the 2nd person of the Trinity,,,,THE SON.
Each person has their very own personality.
And their very own work to do.
But they are all of the same substance...and in one God.
Thank you for taking the time to explain @brakelite.@JohnPaul all the above long detailed drawn out posts are complicated and yes, utterly confusing. Ignore them. Keep it simple. Father. Son. The spirit of God. Now the confusion status when we, as finite ignorant beings, attempt to understand and define the infinite. What God has clearly revealed is... There is the Father, the Almighty. He has a Son. His name we call Jesus/Jehoshua/Jesus... All of which I think acceptable. Both are clearly defined individual beings... Literal separate personalities, both by their very nature, God. Them we have the holy Spirit . We know God is spirit. The Bible speaks of the spirit of God, or the spirit of Christ. Not two spirits. Not three. One Spirit. The spirit that belongs to God. Therefore the Father and the Son share the same spirit. A third individual being? In some sense it appears that way. The Spirit can be grieved. Offended. We speak of it as a 'he' sometimes, but also as 'it'. A third person of the Godhead, maybe, but not in the same sense as we understand the Father and Son as persons . The thing is, we are simply not told. All of our surmisings on how the Godhead is comprised (3in1) etc and all the other theories and definitions and formulas are in reality assumptions . And can only be assumptions because bottom line is, we do not know... It is holy ground and for men to speculate on the nature of the Godhead is dangerous... And unnecessary.
As I have been saying to Enoch, and saying elsewhere on this forum, the only essential we need to believe and accept is that Jesus is the Son of God. Now if by being the Son that makes Him divine, so be it.
Well let us educate you. all trinity believer listen up. the Lord Jesus is the holy Spirit, the Comforter.
"the Lord Jesus return is two fold"
Foundation Scripture: John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever”.
Teaching scripture: John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you”.
Three Gods.
The Bible tells us that there is one God. The Bible also tells us there is one spirit. Now God is spirit. Yet the Bible also speaks of the Spirit of God, and the spirit of Christ. Do they have a spirit each? So if God is spirit, and the father and son both have spirits...101G,
You took zero interest in the exegesis and exposition I provided of what you stated here.
The Lord Jesus CANNOT be the Holy Spirit because John 14:16 describes the Holy Spirit as 'another Comforter'. He is NOT 'the same Comforter'. We know another parakletos is different from Jesus the Son because the next verse, John 14:17, states he is 'the Spirit of truth'.
Another Comforter = the Spirit of truth.
Nowhere in these verses does it state anything like what you claim: 'The Lord Jesus is the holy Spirit'. That is an heretical, nontrinitarian view that should be discussed in the Unorthodox Forum.
Oz
GINOLJC, to all. first thanks for the reply. second, I cain't believe you don't understand, U said, "The Lord Jesus CANNOT be the Holy Spirit because John 14:16 describes the Holy Spirit as 'another Comforter'. He is NOT 'the same Comforter'. We know another parakletos is different from Jesus the Son because the next verse, John 14:17, states he is 'the Spirit of truth'."101G,
You took zero interest in the exegesis and exposition I provided of what you stated here.
The Lord Jesus CANNOT be the Holy Spirit because John 14:16 describes the Holy Spirit as 'another Comforter'. He is NOT 'the same Comforter'. We know another parakletos is different from Jesus the Son because the next verse, John 14:17, states he is 'the Spirit of truth'.
Another Comforter = the Spirit of truth.
Nowhere in these verses does it state anything like what you claim: 'The Lord Jesus is the holy Spirit'. That is an heretical, nontrinitarian view that should be discussed in the Unorthodox Forum.
Oz
you are not reading oz. you should have never even asked that question which was already answered.John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you”. this was directed to his disciples, and he came to them. he came in Spirit. so how do we know this?. John 14:20 "At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. (that's the key) 21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him”. (another key). the Lord Jesus said that he will “manifest himself”. but how is he manifesting himself to them, his disciple? this is the same question Judas asked, not Iscariot, listen, John 14:22" Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?”. this is the key question in understanding our Lord's return. this is another eureka moment in history, as with Moses asking God what is his name. the Lord Jesus said that he will manifest himself to them. here is how he manifested himself, in (POWER). Acts 2:1 "And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance”. this is the manifestation that Judas asked about in John 14, and the Lord himself said that he would.
Ignore them. Keep it simple.
The Lord Jesus CANNOT be the Holy Spirit because John 14:16 describes the Holy Spirit as 'another Comforter'.
He is NOT 'the same Comforter'.
So if God is spirit, and the father and son both have spirits...
Did you just discover that 101G has been promoting his heresies for quite some time? He's just sowing seeds of spiritual confusion, hoping that someone will believe his nonsense.That is an heretical, nontrinitarian view that should be discussed in the Unorthodox Forum.
No that is NOT what it means. The Holy Spirit comes to indwell the believer. But so does Christ ("Christ in you the hope of glory). But so does the Godhead. There are three distinct divine Persons, and yet there are people here who simply REFUSE TO BELIEVE this fundamental doctrine.In the immediate context, Jesus says, "I will come to you." which indicates that that other Comforter is to a certain extent the Lord Jesus Christ.
So then, there are two Spirits dwelling within me?The Holy Spirit comes to indwell the believer. But so does Christ ("Christ in you the hope of glory).
If you want to get technical the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit all dwell within the believer. Now take careful note of these verses:So then, there are two Spirits dwelling within me?
Do you see that One God right there in the center of the image?Three Gods.
So,Do you see that One God right there in the center of the image?
You might be experiencing some difficulty.
THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD.
Are you a son?
Are you a cousin?
Are you an uncle?
Are you three people?
Right. There is one Spirit dwelling within me: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.If you want to get technical the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit all dwell within the believer. Now take careful note of these verses:
THE FATHER (WHOM NO MAN HAS SEEN)
No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us... Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.(1 John 4:12,15)
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. (2 Cor 6:16)
THE SON (THE LORD JESUS CHRIST)
And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. (1 John 5:11,12)
And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. (Rom 8:10)
THE HOLY SPIRIT
But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.(John 7:39)
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. (John 14:16,17)
So there is no need to say "There are two Spirits dwelling within me". Understand clearly that the Godhead consists of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, and they are not to be confused or confounded with each other. They all come to indwell the believer.