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Featured Trinity vs. Tritheism: Understanding the Trinity.

Discussion in 'Christian Theology Forum' started by justbyfaith, Jan 8, 2019.

  1. OzSpen

    OzSpen Well-Known Member

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    OzSpen Well-Known Member

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    Are you saying Spirit = Lord/Jesus = God?
     
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    justbyfaith Well-Known Member

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    Let me put it this way:

    There is one Spirit (Ephesians 4:4); the Father (John 4:23-24, Ephesians 4:6), the Son (Colossians 1:27, 1 John 5:12) and the Holy Ghost (John 7:37-39, 2 Timothy 1:14)

    There is one Lord (Ephesians 4:5, 1 Corinthians 8:6); the Father (Matthew 11:25, Luke 10:21), the Son (1 Corinthians 8:6, 1 Corinthians 12:3), and the Holy Ghost (2 Corinthians 3:17).

    There is one God (Ephesians 4:6), the Father (Ephesians 4:6, James 3:9, Romans 15:6), the Son (Hebrews 1:8-9), and the Holy Ghost (Acts 5:3-4).

    This does not amount to there being nine members in the Trinity.

    I give you this teaching in obedience to the following:

    Tit 2:1, But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:

    So now, read Ephesians 4:4-6, 1 Corinthians 12:4-6, in light of the information that I have given you above.
     
  4. GodsGrace

    GodsGrace Well-Known Member

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    The above is for you @OzSpen !!!
    Now go read those verses and learn them good !!!
    What is a PhD worth these days?
    To some...nothing. They still want to know more than those that have studied for years.

    I'm outta here.
    Good luck.
    [​IMG]
     
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    GodsGrace Well-Known Member

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    You should quit trying to teach
    and try to learn instead.
    James 3:1
    Be careful.
     
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    justbyfaith Well-Known Member

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    Everything I've said is from the word of the Lord.

    If it weren't, then I would have reason to fear what it says in James 3:1.

    As it is, I know that I am preaching faithfully.
     
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    justbyfaith Well-Known Member

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    Psa 119:98, Thou through thy commandments hast made me wiser than mine enemies: for they are ever with me.
    Psa 119:99, I have more understanding than all my teachers: for thy testimonies are my meditation.
    Psa 119:100, I understand more than the ancients, because I keep thy precepts.
     
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    101G Well-Known Member

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    GINOLJC, to all.
    First thanks for the reply. second we must disagree with that assessment. and here's why. since you mention matter, space and time. that's your problem. listen, and follow.

    the trinitarians big make is a "TIMING" or TIME mistake. God, who is a person, ONE person, a (single person), diversified himself in flesh, which was to come. he spoke of this in the Past, or in our beginning. the bible is clear, the mistake in the beginning was due to man's lack of knowledge that God is not limited by time, nor space. he speak of thing in our present, which is our past or future, but is in the same present time for him. other words all time is one time for God. supportive scripture. Romans 4:17 "(As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were". there is the trinitarians time mistake. God had already made made Abraham a Father, which was to come. "have made" in verse 17 is a past tense designation, from a future point of view, that was spoken to Abraham in his present TIME. notice God didn't say, "I has made" you, no, "I have made" you. meaning that it is done but waiting to happen. this is the keys to prophecy. example, Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace". ok who is the "US" here in the verse? NOT the people in Isaiah time, no, the People in the "TIME" this happen. that's why the Lord Jesus and his apostle alway woud say, "IT IS WRITTEN". for what was written afore time, afore time, afore time, is for our learning, (Romans 15:4). another example, Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth". who is the "US" here, and the "OUR"? God, himself diversified/shared in flesh which was to come, in (TIME). Matthew 1:23 "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us". did one NOTICE all the "Shall", which is a future tense designation. ok, if God is with us, how? answer, by being in the same thing that we're in.... FLESH, a body. STOP, LOOK, and THINK before you cross this road. if God is here with us in flesh, in a body, (see John 2:21), Jesus said this, John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven". while God was here on earth, in bodily form speaking to Nicodemus, he God, was in heaven in Spirit form. BINGO. now if one say it was the PERSON of, of, of, God, meaning the "Son", correct, because its the same PERSON, supportive scripture, Hebrews 1:3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high"

    who person? HIS, HIS, HIS, person. not some other person as in a second or third person, but "HIS" person, meaning that it's the SAME PERSON. BINGO again. one have to be blind not to to see this TRUTH. it's the SAME PERSON OF GOD who is on the earth at the SAME TIME and SPACE in HEAVEN. BINGO. Hebrews 1:3 said, "HIS" person. truth don't lie.

    the evil one has deceived you by your lack of KNOWLEDGE of God's omnipresent in time, and space, meaning his ubiquitousness to us in TIME.

    PICJAG.
     
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    Thanks.
    I do appreciate your compliment.
    Coming from someone that has ALL KNOWLEDGE (you),,,I can now retire to the nursing home.
     
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    He has all knowledge except (1) comprehending the Mystery of God and (2) knowing how to use paragraphs when they are necessary.
     
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    He actually has some pretty good insight as the nature of the mystery of our God's Triune nature.
     
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    That's what he has been trying to promote -- more spiritual confusion.
     
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    No he does not. He has a false conception of God, just like you. So let me repeat:

    God the Father is neither the Son nor the Holy Spirit
    God the Son is neither the Father nor the Holy Spirit
    God the Holy Spirit is neither the Father nor the Son
    These are NOT three Gods, but one God in a triune Godhead.
    This is the Mystery of God and Christ.
     
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    This is not the case since the name of the son that was given shall be called among other things the everlasting Father.

    There is only one Father, Malachi 2:10.

    Yet Jesus is said to have children in Hebrews 2:11-13.

    I am one of His children.

    Therefore He is my Father.

    Therefore, I will pray to Him, our Father who art in heaven...

    His Spirit within me cries out to Him, Abba, Father.

    Jesus is the only true God.
     
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    this is no joking matter, as the apostle Peter said, or preached on the day of Pentecost, Acts 2:40 "And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation".
    and two, ALL KNOWLEDGE? ........... ;) save that for all the scholars you listen to, and not me. for many times on this fourm I have stated, "don't know it all". but you say....... :D

    PICJAG.
     
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    Yes. I DO believe I WILL listen to my scholars...
    and not to those that THINK they're a scholar.
     
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    Isaiah 29:13 "Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men".

    Good day,

    PICJAG.
     
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    Oh for goodness sake.
    Another one that judges souls.
    How do YOU know if a scholar is saved or not?

    What?
    A person has to be dumb to be saved?

    Good day to you too and I hope you learn some important things one day.
     
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    @GodsGrace,

    get right or get left (behind at the coming of the rapture).

    You have "your" scholars that teach you what you want to hear...

    well that was prophesied about in 2 Timothy 4:1-5.
     
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    justbyfaith,

    You teach the 'one Spirit' of Eph 4:4 is not the Holy Spirit. This is false doctrine.l

    You confuse the essence/nature of the one God with the persons in this essence - Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

    You should apply Titus 2:1 to yourself as you teach false doctrine on the Trinity.

    Oz
     
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